Somebody Convince Me!

• O-Trap

  

  *Shakes head and walks away*
• BCSbunk

  buckeyefalls wrote: sleeper, why the hostility? You need Jesus!
  
  Also, there is no such thing as an atheist.
  

  sleeper wrote:

  jmog wrote:

  sleeper wrote: You believers make me laugh, that's all I'm going to say.

  Lets not forget, sleeper is the smartest person alive, if you don't agree with him he just laughs at you, makes fun of you, etc.
  
  Your arrogance makes me laugh.
  
  You asked for a Biblical answer to your questions, I gave it.
  
  I didn't say you were a moron if you didn't believe in the Bible, I gave an answer to your question based on what the Bible says.

  Hey JMOG, I believe I've stated MANY FUCKING TIMES that I don't give SHIT about anything in the bible. It's a FUCKING work of fiction you dumbass! Do you know what fiction is? Idiot. I feel sorry for you because you've been so hoodwinked your entire life that you have no idea how liberating it is to finally have realized what a bunch of HOGWASH religion is.
  
  Look up CHILDHOOD INDOCTRINATION, and that's all you need to know.

  Complete baseless assertion that there are no atheists. It is completely meaningless and incoherent.
  
  There are theists and those that either do not believe or lack belief (non-cognitivists such as myself) are then of a atheistic position. Any non-theist has an atheist position.
• BCSbunk

  buckeyefalls wrote: The Old Testament "from creation to Jesus" allowed people to enter Heaven through the offering of sacrifices for their sins.
  
  As many have posted, topics like this are typically written just to stir the pot.
  
  Faith is what it is, but shame on you (especially you sleeper) for ridiculing ANYONE who has it.
  
  You obviously have faith and do you see us ridiculing you? You have faith that there is no God, no Jesus, no truth in the Bible. It takes a lot more faith to believe all that then it does for me to believe that God doesn't exist.
  
  I take one look at the world around me, my children from conception to their age now, the peace I have in my heart, and more and can't fathom how some choose to reject...but hey, that's your choice.
  
  
  Like I wrote above, there is no such person as an atheist. If you know all there is to know about everything to know 100% for sure that there is NO God, no truth in the Bible, etc. then you yourself must be God.
  
  But by the tone of your hatred, your filthy language, and more, we know that isn't the case.
  
  So possible best case scenerio for you is that you are an agnostic.
  
  Blessings my friend.

  This is NONSENSE.
  
  First off I have no idea what this god is you are talking about. I want to know what god is I don't know.
  
  Do you believe in Plagobachula? The answer is you neither believe or disbelieve because you have not a clue what Plagobachula is.
  
  Same with the concept of god It is incoherent and meaningless and I will present an offical argument to show that.
  
  1.There are three attributes of existants which concern us particularly, these being:
  A.Primary Attributes
  B.Secondary Attributes
  C.Relational Attributes.
  2.B as well as C are dependent upon and must be related to an existant’s A in order to be considered meaningful.
  3.The term “God” lacks a positively identified A.
  4.Because of this, the term “God” holds no justified A, B, or C. (From 2)
  5.However, an attribute-less term (a term lacking A, B, and C) is meaningless.
  6.Therefore, the term “God” is meaningless. (From 3, 4, 5)
  7.Therefore, the god-concept is invalid.
  
  I want to know what god is. Not secondary attributes or relational attributes. Such as god is
  
  Love
  Creator
  Perfect
  Immuntable etc.. The list goes on and on about secondary and relational attributes.
  
  Also people try to tell me that god is immaterial well great but I do not want to know what god is not, I want to know what god is.
  
  The concept of god is incoherent until someone provides a complete ontology of this alleged being and can tell us what it is.
  
  No atheists my ass.
• onedawgpain

  sleeper wrote: You believers make me laugh, that's all I'm going to say.

  
  WOW another internet hardass.......you make me laugh.
• buckeyefalls

  hahaha! You folks are great.
  
  Read it again. No such thing as an athiest. If you claim to be an atheist then you must believe that you KNOW everything there is to know about everything. Therefore, you'd be able to say you are atheist because you don't believe in God because you can prove He doesn't exist.
  
  If you knew all of that, then you, yourself would be God.
  
  Wow, how did that fly over your heads?
  
  I always find it commical how Christians have to prove they are in the right and show evidence (didn't Scripture teach us that this would be how non-believers would respond)?
  
  Thanks all for a good laugh today.
• FatHobbit

  

  buckeyefalls wrote:Read it again. No such thing as an athiest.

  I think your argument is faulty. An athiest is someone who doesn't believe in god. I can see how you can argue that an athiest should be more open minded, but I fail to see how you can say there are no people who do not believe in god. They exist. They just disagree with you.
• buckeyefalls

  You can say you don't believe in God and that is okay, but that makes you an agnostic.
  
  An Atheist claims there IS NO God, not that they don't believe in Him.
  
  To be bold enough to say that there is NO GOD means that you must know it all!
• sleeper

  

  buckeyefalls wrote: hahaha! You folks are great.
  
  Read it again. No such thing as an athiest. If you claim to be an atheist then you must believe that you KNOW everything there is to know about everything. Therefore, you'd be able to say you are atheist because you don't believe in God because you can prove He doesn't exist.
  
  If you knew all of that, then you, yourself would be God.
  
  Wow, how did that fly over your heads?
  
  I always find it commical how Christians have to prove they are in the right and show evidence (didn't Scripture teach us that this would be how non-believers would respond)?
  
  Thanks all for a good laugh today.

  With this logic, you must KNOW there is a God since you believe, so prove it to us.
  
  And the reason Christians have to prove they are right is because they are making a claim. Otherwise, I could say "Prove that there is no invisible flying unicorn, because if you can't, then it must be true!"
• FatHobbit

  

  buckeyefalls wrote: You can say you don't believe in God and that is okay, but that makes you an agnostic.
  
  An Atheist claims there IS NO God, not that they don't believe in Him.
  
  To be bold enough to say that there is NO GOD means that you must know it all!

  An agnostic doesn't know if there is a god or not.
  An atheist doesn't believe in god. (You seem to be saying that an athiest knows with 100% certainty there is no god, but that's not true. It's only about what they believe.)
• BCSbunk

  buckeyefalls wrote: You can say you don't believe in God and that is okay, but that makes you an agnostic.
  
  An Atheist claims there IS NO God, not that they don't believe in Him.
  
  To be bold enough to say that there is NO GOD means that you must know it all!

  I have already put this nonsense to sleep. Look back a few posts.
  
  Agnostic literally mean without knowing. That means an agnostic claims it is not possible to know or to not know.
  
  I have already show your argument to fail in regards to atheism.
• BCSbunk

  buckeyefalls wrote: hahaha! You folks are great.
  
  Read it again. No such thing as an athiest. If you claim to be an atheist then you must believe that you KNOW everything there is to know about everything. Therefore, you'd be able to say you are atheist because you don't believe in God because you can prove He doesn't exist.
  
  If you knew all of that, then you, yourself would be God.
  
  Wow, how did that fly over your heads?
  
  I always find it commical how Christians have to prove they are in the right and show evidence (didn't Scripture teach us that this would be how non-believers would respond)?
  
  Thanks all for a good laugh today.

  This is a non-sequitur argument. It does not follow that if you are an atheist you must know there is no god.
  
  A theist makes a positive claim that there is a god. An atheist literally means without theism.
  
  An agnositic is without theism and holds an atheistic position in regards to theism.
  
  Hard and soft atheism is the terminology.
• Skyhook79

  

  Tinkertrain wrote: That christianity is the right path WITHOUT using bible versus.

  
  
  I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
• FatHobbit

  

  Skyhook79 wrote: I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

  What if his name is Zeus?
• Skyhook79

  

  FatHobbit wrote:

  Skyhook79 wrote: I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

  What if his name is Zeus?

  
  He (thread starter) asked about Christianity, zeus isn't the God of Christianity.
  
  If you want to live YOUR life as if zeus is god thats up to you.
• FatHobbit

  

  Skyhook79 wrote:

  FatHobbit wrote:

  Skyhook79 wrote: I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

  What if his name is Zeus?

  
  He (thread starter) asked about Christianity, zeus isn't the God of Christianity.
  
  If you want to live YOUR life as if zeus is god thats up to you.

  I guess I just thought your argument was lacking. What if you live your life as if there is a god, but when you die you find out you've been worshipping the wrong god?
• Heretic

  

  FatHobbit wrote:

  Skyhook79 wrote: I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

  What if his name is Zeus?

  Man, that'd be a bummer for a lot of people. With the whole "burn in hell" thing, you have some sort of vague threat. But do you actually physically burn for all time, or is it more of a spiritual thing or what? Those Greeks were pretty specific with the punishments in Tartarus for guys like Sisyphus and Ixion, who pissed off Zeus and company.
  
  Although, Zeus is a far cooler god than what we're dealing with currently. Dude was basically an all-powerful womanizer who'd bang anything with a pulse. And the great thing was that his wife was always portrayed as the villain when she'd get upset about it. That's the sort of dude I could worship!
• Skyhook79

  

  FatHobbit wrote:

  Skyhook79 wrote:

  FatHobbit wrote:

  Skyhook79 wrote: I would rather live my life as if there is a God,
  
  And die to find out there isn't, than live my life
  
  As if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

  What if his name is Zeus?

  
  He (thread starter) asked about Christianity, zeus isn't the God of Christianity.
  
  If you want to live YOUR life as if zeus is god thats up to you.

  I guess I just thought your argument was lacking. What if you live your life as if there is a god, but when you die you find out you've been worshipping the wrong god?

  I'll take my chances but I like my Odds a lot.
• Benito

  Is there a heaven for chipmunks? How about ants? I look at myself as an agnostic. I think the whole heaven/hell thing might just be to comfort people who may not be able to accept that after you die, you're just dead. Maybe i'm wrong. But if i live a good life, are you really telling me your god would damn me since i didn't necessarily believe in him?
• Strapping Young Lad

  

  Hell was a place created by people who were pretty sure they weren't going there and others were. What if you lived a pius life and ended up just as dead as the next a-hole???? Where's the justice in that???
  
  That's where hell comes in.....
• O-Trap

  

  Strapping Young Lad wrote: Hell was a place created by people who were pretty sure they weren't going there and others were. What if you lived a pius life and ended up just as dead as the next a-hole???? Where's the justice in that???
  
  That's where hell comes in.....

  Not quite, though you're not far off.
  
  It wasn't the fact that the two ended up in the same afterlife that provoked a pursuit of eternal justice. It was the fact that there were those who were pious and suffered here on earth, while those who were not pious lived comfortably.
  
  To really grasp the intent behind the pursuit of the development of afterlife theology, one really has to delve into the collective consciousness of the Semites prior to the New Testament, but post-Old Testament. You really get a struggle among the people where they collectively acknowledged (over time, to be fair, as few cultures are so humble as to admit that they are wrong on the spot) that the justice they THOUGHT they'd seen from Yeh'vah (justice in this world) was not the ultimate justice.
  
  My honors thesis was actually on the very subject of the Jewish development of the theology of an afterlife dichotomy in the area of Coele-Syria during the Second Temple period (roughly BCE 605 to CE 70).
  
  You're welcome to read it:
  http://www.secondtemplesemiticafterlifetheology.info/
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Otrap,
  
  I think you posted this before on the other site. I'm thinking that (after reading a few pages) I've read this before.
  
  At any rate, nice work!