Serious but not to serious

• THE4RINGZ

  

  GoChiefs;1216676 wrote:Swearing in the High School forums is pretty cut and dry. There is no subjective decisions needed to be made by any moderator.

  
  No it isn't please provide a list of acceptable swear words in that forum because it seems rather murky with what is and isn't allowed.
• GoChiefs

  

  THE4RINGZ;1216678 wrote:No it isn't please provide a list of acceptable swear words in that forum because it seems rather murky with what is and isn't allowed.

  Are you really going to try and say that you don't consider "bitch" to be a swear word? C'mon Ringz. You're better than that. No list is needed. Use common sense. If you don't want your 4 year old saying that word, then you probably shouldn't either.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  Bitch is no more out of bounds than ass, hell, or damn. And I used it in the sense of "quit bitching" I was not calling someone a bitch.
  
  Answer my question...how is that more detrimental than every fucking thread turning into a sixth grade girls drama fest? Think big picture and the future of this site.
• GoChiefs

  

  It's not up to me to answer that question. That's up to justin. They are his rules, and his rules state that he wants no swearing in the High School forums. The rule was enforced. Christ. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People bitch if you don't enforce the rules, then when you do, people still bitch. It's a lose/lose. That's why most of the mods moderate the way they do. Because you aren't going to please everyone, so fuck it, they will moderate what they feel needs to be moderated. If I allow you to use bitch in that context, then I have to allow it in the other context as well. Have to be fair to everyone, right? Therefor, bitch is a swear word, and it's not allowed in the HS forums no matter how you use it. It's that simple.
• mcburg93

  

  GoChiefs;1216668 wrote:Doing the same? I've replied to you in this thread, and this thread alone.
  
  You on the other hand, as was already pointed out, has created this thread, along with
  
  
  
  Not exactly the same.

  Im not sure what you are saying here. I will take a crack at it the best I can. I am assuming you are saying cause I start threads in a forum, where anything goes, you are gonna say its harassment cause I come out here in serious business and started a serious thread. According to rules I am allowed to do that stuff in the basement. I am betting I can go to those threads and find posts by you in half of them. Im not sure if this is what you mean though so correct me please. Not sure how that can be considered harassment seeing how we are allowed to do that in the basement. I wanted to see if we can have a serious conversation about the site and some things going on. Obviously we cant cause one mod wants to attack and call names while other posters do as well. I did miss reporting one person that called me an idiot, he was the first poster before pick6 I believe. he deleted it or a mod deleted it.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  I realize it is a tough situation to be in being a moderator here. And yea it is a lose/lose situation
  
  And yes you have allowed other "swear" words to be posted in the HS forums, but who cares? I don't I was simply pointing out the difference in rule enforcement, that cannot be debated. All rules should be cut and dry as you pointed out earlier.
• GoChiefs

  

  You can go through those threads and find posts in half of them by me? I challenge you to that. I'll make a wager. Of the threads that hasbeen quoted, you go through them, and if you find that I posted in more than half of them, I will leave this site. If you don't find that I posted in more than half of them, you leave this site. You said you'd bet that you could? So go ahead, try it.
• GoChiefs

  

  THE4RINGZ;1216694 wrote:I realize it is a tough situation to be in being a moderator here. And yea it is a lose/lose situation
  
  And yes you have allowed other "swear" words to be posted in the HS forums, but who cares? I don't I was simply pointing out the difference in rule enforcement, that cannot be debated. All rules should be cut and dry as you pointed out earlier.

  If there were any swear words allowed, it's because I didn't see them. You of all people know I try to be as fair as I can in that forum towards everyone. If every rule was cut and dry, you would have a list of rules to read and then sub rules below them 60 pages long that would take 3 hours to read before you were allowed to sign up for the forum. To think that you can possibly make every rule cut and dry is just absolutely absurd. It's not possible.
• mcburg93

  

  GoChiefs;1216696 wrote:You can go through those threads and find posts in half of them by me? I challenge you to that. I'll make a wager. Of the threads that hasbeen quoted, you go through them, and if you find that I posted in more than half of them, I will leave this site. If you don't find that I posted in more than half of them, you leave this site. You said you'd bet that you could? So go ahead, try it.

  lol wow sleeper was right. You are prolly the best mod here I am glad you are the mod of the FOOTBALL forum.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216698 wrote:lol wow sleeper was right. You are prolly the best mod here I am glad you are the mod of the FOOTBALL forum.

  So that's a no? You won't take me up on my wager? You just like to run your mouth? Gotcha. By the way, I'll answer it for you. You will find that I posted in ONE of those threads, twice. Both of my posts weren't even directed towards you, they were towards isadore. You lose.
  
  By the way, I don't really care which forum I moderate. I'd think you'd be able to tell that by now. Sleeper doesn't post in the HS forums, so he wouldn't know anything about how the moderators are in that particular forum. Seems like you fall for sleeper's puppet master charade now huh? Smh.
  
  You make this shit too easy.
• O-Trap

  

  Alright, I'm gonna try my best here, knowing full-well I will miss something or not explain myself well enough.
  

  mcburg93;1216542 wrote:If you all did the job you were here to do I wouldnt have a reason to bitch would I.

  
  Maybe not, but honestly, you probably would, as nobody is going to moderate EXACTLY like you want them to.
  
  Moreover, while YOU might think that the rules need to be enforced more strictly, stating that it will create a more welcome environment for newcomers, others have stated that the rule enforcement here is already bordering on the JJ Naziism, and they're saying that if the rule enforcement was more relaxed, it would create a more welcome environment for newcomers.
  
  Essentially, somebody is always gonna bitch about the rules enforcement. I'm sorry that it's you at the moment, and maybe things will change in the future such that you won't be, but if that happens, SOMEONE will be. Essentially, when looking at the whole of the people here, it's not possible to make everyone happy, so please understand that while you might think Mods here need to have more strict enforcement, you are one of many, and your opinion to that end will be diametrically opposed to someone else's. To make you happy is to piss them off, and both of you think you're right.
  
  So while you might not have a reason to bitch if things were run differently, SOMEone would.
  

  mcburg93;1216580 wrote:Good luck on getting people to come here when crap like this happens.

  
  We have to see. /b/ itself is a cluster****, but they get hoards of members. They have different circumstances, but the circumstances might not be relevant. The numbers will tell the story.
  

  mcburg93;1216583 wrote:You gonna give yourself an infraction? how about a warning?

  
  What did he do that deserves an infraction?
  
  I know people might hate to think of it this way, but ultimately, Mods are like umpires. Over the course of a season, your team might see a slew of different umpires. Some call the more ticky-tack stuff. Others don't. All might be trying to use their best judgment, and all might be doing the best they know how to do. You just gotta have that in mind.
  

  THE4RINGZ;1216673 wrote:I believe the OP has a seemingly valid point. For example: I recieved an infraction for using the word bitch in a post on the HS forum, yet nearly every other thread gets derailed these days. So, is there some criteria defining what violations of the stated rules recieve infractions or warnings, and which ones don't? I realize it is a subjective decision made by a particular moderator, but consistency needs to be the key.
  
  Was my use of the word bitch more detrimental to this site than the same handful of posters turning every thread into a pissing match?

  
  Being a culprit of derailing at times, I'll answer as best I can.
  
  The rule reads as follows: "Do not aggressively troll a thread with the sole purpose of derailing it."
  
  It's not just about derailing. Conversations go off track all the time, and that's not inherently wrong. If the conversation dictates that it does, so be it. The rule makes it an offense when a poster does it 'aggressively' (I take that to mean 'repeatedly' within a thread) and does it via what our admittedly subjective estimation says is 'trolling' as the only purpose. If someone posts with the obvious purpose of derailing the conversation, and does so repeatedly, it's against the rule. This isn't about a conversation following a rabbit trail. It's not about a conversation gone off course due to a considerable disagreement between a few posters. It's, plainly put, "a turd intentionally keeping an otherwise good discussion from happening." The 'derailing' part is an important element, but it's not the exclusive point of the rule.
  

  THE4RINGZ;1216690 wrote:Bitch is no more out of bounds than ass, hell, or damn. And I used it in the sense of "quit bitching" I was not calling someone a bitch.
  
  Answer my question...how is that more detrimental than every fucking thread turning into a sixth grade girls drama fest? Think big picture and the future of this site.

  I believe "ass," "hell," and "damn" are disallowed in the HS forums.
  
  As for what is most "detrimental," I don't know the answer, so I won't BS you. Big picture: It's hard to know what will work and what won't.
• mcburg93

  

  GoChiefs;1216702 wrote:So that's a no? You won't take me up on my wager? You just like to run your mouth? Gotcha. By the way, I'll answer it for you. You will find that I posted in ONE of those threads, twice. Both of my posts weren't even directed towards you, they were towards isadore. You lose.
  
  By the way, I don't really care which forum I moderate. I'd think you'd be able to tell that by now. Sleeper doesn't post in the HS forums, so he wouldn't know anything about how the moderators are in that particular forum. Seems like you fall for sleeper's puppet master charade now huh? Smh.
  
  You make this shit too easy.

  Glad you posted in my threads. Lol you have made me laugh a lot tonight thanks for playing. And you really did make this to easy.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216704 wrote:Glad you posted in my threads. Lol you have made me laugh a lot tonight thanks for playing. And you really did make this to easy.

  You looking like an idiot was too easy? That wasn't my goal. You did that on your own. But glad I could help. You were proved wrong multiple times in this thread. If that is funny to you, congrats. Maybe I'll play along in the future too then.
  
  
  "Hahahaaaa, I look like a fool, so I'm going to act like I was playing all along, that will show them" Yeah, that's another tired response. It's been done before, try something original.
• mcburg93

  

  O-Trap;1216703 wrote:Alright, I'm gonna try my best here, knowing full-well I will miss something or not explain myself well enough.
  
  
  
  Maybe not, but honestly, you probably would, as nobody is going to moderate EXACTLY like you want them to.
  
  Moreover, while YOU might think that the rules need to be enforced more strictly, stating that it will create a more welcome environment for newcomers, others have stated that the rule enforcement here is already bordering on the JJ Naziism, and they're saying that if the rule enforcement was more relaxed, it would create a more welcome environment for newcomers.
  
  Essentially, somebody is always gonna bitch about the rules enforcement. I'm sorry that it's you at the moment, and maybe things will change in the future such that you won't be, but if that happens, SOMEONE will be. Essentially, when looking at the whole of the people here, it's not possible to make everyone happy, so please understand that while you might think Mods here need to have more strict enforcement, you are one of many, and your opinion to that end will be diametrically opposed to someone else's. To make you happy is to piss them off, and both of you think you're right.
  
  So while you might not have a reason to bitch if things were run differently, SOMEone would.
  
  
  
  We have to see. /b/ itself is a cluster****, but they get hoards of members. They have different circumstances, but the circumstances might not be relevant. The numbers will tell the story.
  
  
  
  What did he do that deserves an infraction?
  
  I know people might hate to think of it this way, but ultimately, Mods are like umpires. Over the course of a season, your team might see a slew of different umpires. Some call the more ticky-tack stuff. Others don't. All might be trying to use their best judgment, and all might be doing the best they know how to do. You just gotta have that in mind.
  
  
  
  Being a culprit of derailing at times, I'll answer as best I can.
  
  The rule reads as follows: "Do not aggressively troll a thread with the sole purpose of derailing it."
  
  It's not just about derailing. Conversations go off track all the time, and that's not inherently wrong. If the conversation dictates that it does, so be it. The rule makes it an offense when a poster does it 'aggressively' (I take that to mean 'repeatedly' within a thread) and does it via what our admittedly subjective estimation says is 'trolling' as the only purpose. If someone posts with the obvious purpose of derailing the conversation, and does so repeatedly, it's against the rule. This isn't about a conversation following a rabbit trail. It's not about a conversation gone off course due to a considerable disagreement between a few posters. It's, plainly put, "a turd intentionally keeping an otherwise good discussion from happening." The 'derailing' part is an important element, but it's not the exclusive point of the rule.
  
  
  
  I believe "ass," "hell," and "damn" are disallowed in the HS forums.
  
  As for what is most "detrimental," I don't know the answer, so I won't BS you. Big picture: It's hard to know what will work and what won't.

  I could carry a convo on with you and fft pretty easy. Neither of you jump on people for posting something people dont like or its been talked about a thousand times. You explain things well and shuts me up every time you do. Gochiefs on the other hand just jumps in with the crowd and resorts to their level. You will see by the posts I reported. Reps to you otrap
• O-Trap

  

  THE4RINGZ;1216694 wrote:I realize it is a tough situation to be in being a moderator here. And yea it is a lose/lose situation

  Honestly, this is much appreciated.
  

  THE4RINGZ;1216694 wrote: And yes you have allowed other "swear" words to be posted in the HS forums, but who cares? I don't I was simply pointing out the difference in rule enforcement, that cannot be debated. All rules should be cut and dry as you pointed out earlier.

  Sometimes, "swear" words just aren't seen. Mods try to moderate, but we don't catch everything. If you see somewhere where this is the case, make sure to report it, and PLEASE leave at least some detail about why you posted it. If someone swears in a HS forum, put "Swearing in a HS forum." If you just put "swearing," it might get overlooked, as probably 60% (or more) of the reports are made by people who don't even seem to know the rules, so it's easy to overlook that nebulous a reason as, "Well, that one didn't know the rules," because there are a lot of reports done for posts even in here that are solely based on the use of profanity.
  
  By all means, I don't think a single Mod here is trying to do a bad job or show favoritism with their "buddies" or anything. If you see a post you think breaks the rules, hell, just report it and leave a CLEAR reason for it. We'd appreciate the help, and you'd definitely be helping us make this place the place you want it to be.
  
  *DISCLAIMER: If you go on a reporting tear, churning out WAY too many than would otherwise be spotted in the ordinary course of browsing and posting, you're going to come across as someone with an ax to grind. As such, check your own motives and make sure you're not throwing a shit fit in the form of a reporting frenzy. That's not a post to anyone in particular. Just a general rule to make sure that when you do report a post, it is given proper consideration.
• O-Trap

  

  mcburg93;1216706 wrote:I could carry a convo on with you and fft pretty easy. Neither of you jump on people for posting something people dont like or its been talked about a thousand times. You explain things well and shuts me up every time you do. Gochiefs on the other hand just jumps in with the crowd and resorts to their level. You will see by the posts I reported. Reps to you otrap

  Appreciated. It's easy for the best of intentions to be construed otherwise, so while it might seem like the rules are either being enforced too harshly or too weakly, the Mods are doing their best to usually try to make this place a place where you don't have to worry about trolls, but where you also don't have to freakishly read your own posts three times to make sure you didn't break a rule because the Nazis will come take you.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216706 wrote:Gochiefs on the other hand just jumps in with the crowd and resorts to their level. You will see by the posts I reported. Reps to you otrap

  Jumps in with the crowd? If I "jumped in with the crowd", I would have called you out on the other multiple threads you created bitching about the same thing. Considering this is the first time I've replied to your countless threads, you can't hardly say I'm "jumping in the crowd". Way to be wrong again. Smh.
• mcburg93

  

  O-Trap;1216707 wrote: *DISCLAIMER: If you go on a reporting tear, churning out WAY too many than would otherwise be spotted in the ordinary course of browsing and posting, you're going to come across as someone with an ax to grind. As such, check your own motives and make sure you're not throwing a shit fit in the form of a reporting frenzy. That's not a post to anyone in particular. Just a general rule to make sure that when you do report a post, it is given proper consideration.

  I reported the problems in this thread I usually never report but I truly wanted to have a convo about this topic in serious business. I thought we could be adults but obvious we cant.
• mcburg93

  

  GoChiefs;1216711 wrote:Jumps in with the crowd? If I "jumped in with the crowd", I would have called you out on the other multiple threads you created bitching about the same thing. Considering this is the first time I've replied to your countless threads, you can't hardly say I'm "jumping in the crowd". Way to be wrong again. Smh.

  I am done arguing with you its only gonna get me banned to the basement. If you want proof of you jumping in the crowd go read what i reported and go back and read this thread.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216712 wrote:I reported the problems in this thread I usually never report but I truly wanted to have a convo about this topic in serious business. I thought we could be adults but obvious we cant.

  LOL, your "reports" were hardly anything worth reporting. Please pay close attention to his disclaimer next time.
  
  I pointed out the fact that when you bitch about the same thing over and over, there comes a point when nobody gives a shit any longer, and you just couldn't handle that. I gave you an opinion, and you didn't like it. YOU'RE the one that start with the childish games. Your exact reply to my opinion was, "You commenting like this just makes me agree with a few other posters about you. A few of the mods including you really need to just quit being a mod. This place would be better without you." Yet, you claim you just wanted to have a discussion like an adult? Get real.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216713 wrote:I am done arguing with you its only gonna get me banned to the basement. If you want proof of you jumping in the crowd go read what i reported and go back and read this thread.

  Please see my post above. You're the one that couldn't handle someone's opinion and started with the jabs like a child. Try again. I've read your reports, and they are nothing worth reporting. They are just you being a child because someone is calling you out on a thread. That's all it is.
• mcburg93

  

  GoChiefs;1216717 wrote:Please see my post above. You're the one that couldn't handle someone's opinion and started with the jabs like a child. Try again. I've read your reports, and they are nothing worth reporting. They are just you being a child because someone is calling you out on a thread. That's all it is.

  Lol you are right. So calling people names isnt a rule. As a mod you are held to a higher standard. Seriously you lowered them standards in this thread. Send me to the basement give me my infractions. But you better be getting them as well, and posting in the basement with the rest of us.
• hoops23

  

  This site has tried to become something it's not. To me, the site was a lot more fun at the beginning. Everybody took it for what it was and it was fun. Now, it almost feels blah.
  
  Why make this site something it's not? To increase traffic? How has that fared so far? There are plenty of organized forums that allow pretty lax rules and are MANY times bigger than this one. Hell, look at RCF. Pretty much everything goes over there aside from personally attacking another member.
  
  It seems this site has the same 30-40 posters regularly posting with a few drop ins every now and then. The site was much more alive back when the rules were almost non-existent.
  
  Now people get banned to the basement for calling another poster a bandwagoner? LOL.
• sleeper

  

  Gosh a ruddies, another thread bitching about the moderators.
• GoChiefs

  

  mcburg93;1216718 wrote:Lol you are right calling people names isnt a rule. Send me to the basement give me my infractions. But you better be getting them as well.

  
  Lol. So now you want infractions given for whenever someone points out to someone that they are being an idiot? Is that how nit picky you want us to be with the rules? THAT'S going to bring people to this site???
  
  Damn man, nobody said anything about giving you a ban or an infraction. As much as you bring it up, is that what you're TRYING to do? Will a basement ban give you inter_webz cred or something???