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I Wear Pants

OSH;1200898 wrote:Apparently you never saw where I said it could be incorporated in other courses -- i.e., PE for example.

And if we want to talk about money AND time, we could look at the current structure of the American public education system, in general. If we want to say that money and time could be better spent...we'd change the way we educate, period.

It doesn't have to be a course taught alone. If a private school wants to, so be it. But taking a 9-week (or however long semesters are) course is a bit of an overkill for a gun safety course.

Again, the money and time spent developing and implementing a firearms safety course could be put to greater benefit elsewhere.

I did see where you said it could be incorporated in PE. I just don't think there's a significant benefit to doing so.

Curly J

I Wear Pants;1200938 wrote:Again, the money and time spent developing and implementing a firearms safety course could be put to greater benefit elsewhere.

I did see where you said it could be incorporated in PE. I just don't think there's a significant benefit to doing so.

To hell with the money and time spent. It comes down to do you want ETB or CCrunner teaching your kid gun safety ???

And for the advanced course we can teach Tactics on how to take over a school with a live action Exam. Works for me.

I Wear Pants

Curly J;1200941 wrote:To hell with the money and time spent. It comes down to do you want ETB or CCrunner teaching your kid gun safety ???

And for the advanced course we can teach Tactics on how to take over a school with a live action Exam. Works for me.

This too.

Belly35

Let me get this right …
Mandated to teach the kids about fucking but not to get pregnant, introduce drugs to a class to link up for connections, driver training for the biggest weapon killer of teenagers, bicycle safety because the parent’s fat ass can’t…. But apposed to Weapon Training

Out of the list below rank them in as important to teach…
Weapon Safety
Sex education
Drug Prevention
Driver Ed
Bicycle Safety

Note: All should be parental responsibility .. So maybe the answer is to require those who are parents to take the class before collecting the next entitlement check…

Wake up mofos ..... once the Liberals and Democrat can come up with a way to make this a money issue for funding school and a political issue for gun control .... it will be taught...

[h=3]Source[/h]Department of Applied Health Science, Indiana University, HPER 116, Bloomington, IN 47405, USA. [email protected]
[h=3]Abstract[/h][h=4]BACKGROUND:[/h]Gun-related injuries and deaths among children occur at disproportionately high rates in the United States. Children who live in homes with guns are the most likely victims. This study describes teachers' views on whether gun safety should be taught to children in the preschool and elementary years.
[h=4]METHODS:[/h]A total of 150 survey questionnaires were distributed to public and private school teachers in preschools and elementary schools in 2 counties of a Midwestern state.
[h=4]RESULTS:[/h]In total, 62% of the 102 respondents indicated that they favored the teaching of gun safety, while 13% disapproved and 25% had no opinion. Overall, 28.4% of the respondents supported the teaching of gun safety in grades pre-K (pre-kindergarten) through first grade. About 54% indicated that police or trained military personnel should do the teaching of this subject in schools, while 6.9% suggested that teachers should do the teaching.
[h=4]CONCLUSION:[/h]With a majority of the teachers in favor of teaching gun safety in the schools, a larger study should be conducted that explores the introduction of gun safety into the curriculum in preschool through grade 6. Such a study should evaluate the efficacy of teaching gun safety as a measure to prevent gun violence and injuries involving guns.

Heretic

Classes need to be taught in order to help people defend themselves against the most deadly opponent: FRESH FRUIT!

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Heretic

Belly35;1201085 wrote:Wake up mofos ..... once the Liberals and Democrat can come up with a way to make this a money issue for funding school and a political issue for gun control .... it will be taught...

1. Belly wants gun stuff taught.
2. He talks about THOSE FUCKING LIBERALS eventually forcing it to be taught after making it a money and political issue.
CONCLUSION
3. Belly is a closet liberal.

/thread

Belly35

Heretic;1201207 wrote:1. Belly wants gun stuff taught.
2. He talks about THOSE FUCKING LIBERALS eventually forcing it to be taught after making it a money and political issue.
CONCLUSION
3. Belly is a closet liberal.

/thread

No .... I have a mixed feeling about this issue
I think it should be taught .. not sure i want the schools to be the avenue
Not a fan of some of the other liberal subject being taught and the basic education of read, writing, math and science of our student are failing
I don't want teacher to spew their personal opinions about guns like they do about so many other issue and topic.

OSH

Who says any money has to be spent on it? Why can't the schools have police officers and/or gun safety instructors involved in it?

It probably wouldn't take much to do that -- especially in the rural areas where kids could potentially be around firearms more. I do think it's a good idea...a lot of evaluating in how to do it and when to do it would be important.

WebFire

OSH;1201408 wrote:Who says any money has to be spent on it? Why can't the schools have police officers and/or gun safety instructors involved in it?

Who pays for the officers or instructors?

I Wear Pants

Belly35;1201085 wrote:Let me get this right …
Mandated to teach the kids about fucking but not to get pregnant, introduce drugs to a class to link up for connections, driver training for the biggest weapon killer of teenagers, bicycle safety because the parent’s fat ass can’t…. But apposed to Weapon Training

Out of the list below rank them in as important to teach…
Weapon Safety
Sex education
Drug Prevention
Driver Ed
Bicycle Safety

Note: All should be parental responsibility .. So maybe the answer is to require those who are parents to take the class before collecting the next entitlement check…

Wake up mofos ..... once the Liberals and Democrat can come up with a way to make this a money issue for funding school and a political issue for gun control .... it will be taught...

Source

Department of Applied Health Science, Indiana University, HPER 116, Bloomington, IN 47405, USA. [email protected]
Abstract

BACKGROUND:

Gun-related injuries and deaths among children occur at disproportionately high rates in the United States. Children who live in homes with guns are the most likely victims. This study describes teachers' views on whether gun safety should be taught to children in the preschool and elementary years.
METHODS:

A total of 150 survey questionnaires were distributed to public and private school teachers in preschools and elementary schools in 2 counties of a Midwestern state.
RESULTS:

In total, 62% of the 102 respondents indicated that they favored the teaching of gun safety, while 13% disapproved and 25% had no opinion. Overall, 28.4% of the respondents supported the teaching of gun safety in grades pre-K (pre-kindergarten) through first grade. About 54% indicated that police or trained military personnel should do the teaching of this subject in schools, while 6.9% suggested that teachers should do the teaching.
CONCLUSION:

With a majority of the teachers in favor of teaching gun safety in the schools, a larger study should be conducted that explores the introduction of gun safety into the curriculum in preschool through grade 6. Such a study should evaluate the efficacy of teaching gun safety as a measure to prevent gun violence and injuries involving guns.

What the fuck did you just say?

Only thing I could get is that you aren't a fan of condoms or something which is really, really stupid. Might as well start an STD fan club if that's your persuasion honestly.

dlazz

Belly35;1201085 wrote:Let me get this right …
Mandated to teach the kids about fucking but not to get pregnant, introduce drugs to a class to link up for connections, driver training for the biggest weapon killer of teenagers, bicycle safety because the parent’s fat ass can’t…. But apposed to Weapon Training

This is hilariously bad rationale.

THE4RINGZ

When and where I went to high school, we had a Gun Club. It wasn't part of the cirriculum, rather an after school activity. The club members would meet at a shooting range and learn both gun safety and marksmanship. It was a pretty good time actually.

Making it part of the cirriculum seems a little over the top, but nothing surprises me anymore.

FatHobbit

THE4RINGZ;1203156 wrote:When and where I went to high school, we had a Gun Club.

When I went to school we took the hunters safety course for health class. Lol.

Belly35

In the high school span of my three daughters which would be a total of 9 years from the start of the oldest to the graduation of my youngest 4 student died in gun accidents in that period of time. In that same time frame zero died in traffic accidents, no one died riding a bicycle, no death via drug overdose and as for sex education only the fetus died. 

Driver, sex, drug and bicycle education is a worth while programs for some kids but for many it just another class for a grade. However if those class prevent one kid for doing self harm or harm to others then it has merit. 
In an ever growing society where the lack of social intuitiveness and skills is more present why wouldn’t a Weapon Safety be worth the same merit?

Note: I’m not sure I want the Liberal/Union Educational system to be the instructional venue for this program.

dlazz

Belly35;1203173 wrote:In an ever growing society where the lack of social intuitiveness and skills is more present why wouldn’t a Weapon Safety be worth the same merit?

Because most (95+%) people do not handle weapons.

Belly35

dlazz;1203178 wrote:Because most (95+%) people do not handle weapons.

What do you mean "Handle Weapons" explain that please...

40-45 % of the Home in America have a gun or guns.

Wake up an move out of your Band Aid Box it's a big / hard world and someday you'll have to live in it.

mcburg93

Belly35;1203173 wrote:In the high school span of my three daughters which would be a total of 9 years from the start of the oldest to the graduation of my youngest 4 student died in gun accidents in that period of time. In that same time frame zero died in traffic accidents, no one died riding a bicycle, no death via drug overdose and as for sex education only the fetus died.

Driver, sex, drug and bicycle education is a worth while programs for some kids but for many it just another class for a grade. However if those class prevent one kid for doing self harm or harm to others then it has merit.
In an ever growing society where the lack of social intuitiveness and skills is more present why wouldn’t a Weapon Safety be worth the same merit?

Note: I’m not sure I want the Liberal/Union Educational system to be the instructional venue for this program.

I said no due to parents should show kids if they want them to learn. Why should a school be required to teach kids gun safety. They would have to have guns in the school which is prolly not a good Idea. I would also not want gun safety taught in inner city schools where gangs are more prevalent. You can say well if them kids get taught how to use a gun maybe there wont be so many killings. I say bullshit now they know how to load the gun and avoid shooting themselves in the foot first.

FatHobbit

mcburg93;1203210 wrote:I said no due to parents should show kids if they want them to learn. Why should a school be required to teach kids gun safety. They would have to have guns in the school which is prolly not a good Idea. I would also not want gun safety taught in inner city schools where gangs are more prevalent. You can say well if them kids get taught how to use a gun maybe there wont be so many killings. I say bullshit now they know how to load the gun and avoid shooting themselves in the foot first.

You can make the same argument for sex ed.

Raw Dawgin' it

OSH;1200850 wrote:Why not? It's not like I won't have already taught them by the time the gun safety course would probably come around.

I am interested in hearing some opinions on why it is NOT a good idea...any? Most have said "no" to the notion, but not really had any reasoning behind it. And yes, I know it's probably a parent's job to do...but so isn't general education. So, to me, that argument is a wash.

Not all families are pro guns, that's why. The funding it would take to have a course would greatly out weigh the benefits. How many of the students will actually need the course? It's a waste of time and money. Why should a hobby, a dangerous hobby, be taught in schools? Are you going to bring a gun in and show them how to use it? What do you say if there's an accident and your kid gets shot? "Just a hazard of the course i guess." I just don't get why the vast majority of kids need to learn about weapons.

dlazz

Belly35;1203203 wrote:What do you mean "Handle Weapons" explain that please...

40-45 % of the Home in America have a gun or guns.

Wake up an move out of your Band Aid Box it's a big / hard world and someday you'll have to live in it.

I should've been more specific.

95% of youth aren't going to handle weapons. You can't say the same about drug use and sex.

The 5% of youth who DO handle guns are probably the hunting-types who know what they're doing by experience.

And I'm not living in a band-aid world-- I'm living in a world where I make rationalized decisions on things.

Glory Days

Belly35;1203203 wrote:What do you mean "Handle Weapons" explain that please...

40-45 % of the Home in America have a gun or guns.

Wake up an move out of your Band Aid Box it's a big / hard world and someday you'll have to live in it.

there was a gun in my house growing up. of the 4 people in the house, that gun was fired by zero people who lived there. and even then, only 2 of the 4 people in my direct family have ever fired a gun. so just because a house hold may have a gun, doesnt mean those people have handled a gun.

Raw Dawgin' it

FatHobbit;1203212 wrote:You can make the same argument for sex ed.

This is a reach.

Raw Dawgin' it

Belly35;1203203 wrote:What do you mean "Handle Weapons" explain that please...

40-45 % of the Home in America have a gun or guns.

Wake up an move out of your Band Aid Box it's a big / hard world and someday you'll have to live in it.

How many times have you had to use your gun in the real world?

Belly35

Raw Dawgin' it;1203224 wrote:How many times have you had to use your gun in the real world?

Good and fair question.

Not counting Vietnam

Potential twice: Where I had the weapon and my hand was ready to pull it out and prepared to use it if the situation would have escalated.

If I would have had my weapon on me, maybe add two more situations. Not using it the goal, prepared to use is the deterrent not have to use it

The point is however I was prepared, knowledge of the weapon and it destruction (big big understand), competent in its usage and the safety precaution I should use, rational in when it should be drawn and used.

Remember knowing the potential danger is a preventive of it’s own.. I’m not sure the younger generation understands the devastation of a weapon.

Glory Days

Belly35;1203371 wrote: Remember knowing the potential danger is a preventive of it’s own..

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