We need bullies! The future of our country, and the NFL depend on them.

• Glory Days

  

  Steel Valley Football;1171809 wrote:My two year old just came into the kitchen where I was fixing lunch with his face and shirt covered in blood.
  
  My 3.5 yr old daughter is in the other room with a bloody wiffle-ball bat. Any advice?

  Sign one up for softball. the other up for boxing, wrestling, or MMA.
  
  /parent'd
• justincredible

  

  Glory Days;1171873 wrote:Sign one up for softball. the other up for boxing, wrestling, or MMA.
  
  /parent'd

  I lol'd.
• BORIStheCrusher

  

  justincredible;1171571 wrote:As for the topic, I think bullying is a serious problem. I do think that kids need to be taught to stick up for themselves but only in the event that someone is bullying them. If my kid turned out to be a bully he'd be getting an ass whipping from me.

  I teach my daughter that it's not okay hit or bully another kid.... but if another kid does it to her she has every right to stand up for herself.
• justincredible

  

  BORIStheCrusher;1171890 wrote:I teach my daughter that it's not okay hit or bully another kid.... but if another kid does it to her she has every right to stand up for herself.

  Sweet, you have kids! This opinion is valid.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  A lot of people in this thread are talking about how to deal with bullies, which is fine and is probably something that needs discussed.
  
  The REAL problem is teaching kids how to deal with their feelings. The whole "suck it up, don't be a pussy, stand up for yourself" thing is part of the problem, not the solution. All it does is tell kids that its not ok to feel bad if you are picked on by a bully and gives them no real outlet for their emotions. If they can't talk about how bad it makes them feel, its going to lead to anger issues, depression, and possibly suicide. Kids need to learn that its ok to cry, or its ok to be angry. They are KIDS. And that's not coddling them, that's teaching them emotional stability rather than bottling up their feelings.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  I live by the words given to me by my father when I was in elementary school....
  
  "If you start a fight; I'll kick your ass. And if you run from a fight; I'll kick your ass."
• cruiser_96

  

  Mooney44Cards;1171896 wrote:A lot of people in this thread are talking about how to deal with bullies, which is fine and is probably something that needs discussed.
  
  The REAL problem is teaching kids how to deal with their feelings. The whole "suck it up, don't be a ****, stand up for yourself" thing is part of the problem, not the solution. All it does is tell kids that its not ok to feel bad if you are picked on by a bully and gives them no real outlet for their emotions. If they can't talk about how bad it makes them feel, its going to lead to anger issues, depression, and possibly suicide. Kids need to learn that its ok to cry, or its ok to be angry. They are KIDS. And that's not coddling them, that's teaching them emotional stability rather than bottling up their feelings.

  Ain't hatin.
• hasbeen

  

  Steel Valley Football;1171809 wrote:My two year old just came into the kitchen where I was fixing lunch with his face and shirt covered in blood.
  
  My 3.5 yr old daughter is in the other room with a bloody wiffle-ball bat. Any advice?

  I'd start by cleaning up the blood.
• justincredible

  

  Mooney44Cards;1171896 wrote:A lot of people in this thread are talking about how to deal with bullies, which is fine and is probably something that needs discussed.
  
  The REAL problem is teaching kids how to deal with their feelings. The whole "suck it up, don't be a pussy, stand up for yourself" thing is part of the problem, not the solution. All it does is tell kids that its not ok to feel bad if you are picked on by a bully and gives them no real outlet for their emotions. If they can't talk about how bad it makes them feel, its going to lead to anger issues, depression, and possibly suicide. Kids need to learn that its ok to cry, or its ok to be angry. They are KIDS. And that's not coddling them, that's teaching them emotional stability rather than bottling up their feelings.

  I agree with this as well, but I don't think teaching your kids to stand up for themselves and teaching them it's okay to show their emotions are mutually exclusive. It seems like that might be what you're saying, I'm not sure.
• hasbeen

  

  justincredible;1171928 wrote:I agree with this as well, but I don't think teaching your kids to stand up for themselves and teaching them it's okay to show their emotions are mutually exclusive. It seems like that might be what you're saying, I'm not sure.

  Agreed. I was taught to stand up for myself as well as taught to discuss my feelings. It was okay to be angry and okay to cry(but i don't cry. I'm a man).
  
  I don't agree with the idea that instead of standing up for yourself, you go and cry to mommy and daddy or the shrink.
  You have a problem. You discuss the understanding of the problem. You then deal with the problem head on.
  r:
  You have a problem. You kick the shit out of the problem. You then discuss what caused you to hulk smash.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  justincredible;1171928 wrote:I agree with this as well, but I don't think teaching your kids to stand up for themselves and teaching them it's okay to show their emotions are mutually exclusive. It seems like that might be what you're saying, I'm not sure.

  Yeah I could agree with that. The trick is how you teach this to your kid. If you tell them "stop whining, stop being a pussy" they are going to think that its not ok to feel that way. They need to be taught that their feelings are perfectly normal and the proper outlet to deal with it. Using your anger to confront a bully (doesn't have to be physically) is a good example.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  bigkahuna;1171439 wrote:Not quite how I'd put it but reps.

  lies.
• DeadliestWarrior34

  

  Steel Valley Football;1171809 wrote:My two year old just came into the kitchen where I was fixing lunch with his face and shirt covered in blood.
  
  My 3.5 yr old daughter is in the other room with a bloody wiffle-ball bat. Any advice?

  Shoot. Them. All.
• I Wear Pants

  It amazes me that some people act like bullying isn't a problem or is only a problem because kids are "pussies".
• vball10set

  I Wear Pants;1172199 wrote:It amazes me that some people act like bullying isn't a problem or is only a problem because kids are "pussies".

  They're either scared or ignorant, which constitutes half our population--so it doesn't amaze me at all.
• goosebumps

  

  Bullying really has no place in society, period. I was never bullied in school, nor did I bully anyone else, but looking back I really wish I had stuck up for some of the kids who were getting bullied. I heard kids say and do absolutely terrible things to each other, and from what I understand, at some schools its far far worse.
  
  I can say for a fact that two of the worst bullies at my school were getting bullied at home by their fathers. They learned how to be a bully from their backwards, ignorant, redneck fathers and turned around and did the same thing to other kids. I had a heart to heart one night after high school with one of them over some beers and he told me everything. Very eye opening.
  
  Unfortunately the other one committed suicide a couple of years ago, years of abuse and bullying from his own family took its toll.
  
  The two guys were actually best friends in high school and for a few years after. The one who is still alive has lost 2 family members and his best friend to suicide. Bullying goes above and beyond the "tough guy" act. They have legit mental issues that need to be dealt with and unfortunately most school are ill-equipped to handle them.
• Steel Valley Football

  goosebumps;1172301 wrote:Bullying really has no place in society, period. I was never bullied in school, nor did I bully anyone else, but looking back I really wish I had stuck up for some of the kids who were getting bullied. I heard kids say and do absolutely terrible things to each other, and from what I understand, at some schools its far far worse.
  
  I can say for a fact that two of the worst bullies at my school were getting bullied at home by their fathers. They learned how to be a bully from their backwards, ignorant, redneck fathers and turned around and did the same thing to other kids. I had a heart to heart one night after high school with one of them over some beers and he told me everything. Very eye opening.
  
  Unfortunately the other one committed suicide a couple of years ago, years of abuse and bullying from his own family took its toll.
  
  The two guys were actually best friends in high school and for a few years after. The one who is still alive has lost 2 family members and his best friend to suicide. Bullying goes above and beyond the "tough guy" act. They have legit mental issues that need to be dealt with and unfortunately most school are ill-equipped to handle them.

  How dare you post such nonsense? Everyone knows that kids today are pussies and back in the day kids were tougher and bullying just made everyone even tougher.
• goosebumps

  

  Steel Valley Football;1172313 wrote:How dare you post such nonsense? Everyone knows that kids today are pussies and back in the day kids were tougher and bullying just made everyone even tougher.

  Haha I agree there's too much PC stuff going on today with the youth, but beating toughness or screaming toughness into them really has no place. What kind of "tough guy" gets off by making a child feel bad about themselves?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Well you guys can make sense and stuff all you want, I will just lazily lump the parents who care about their kids in with the parents who coddle their kids so that I can make generalizations about the entire group rather than bothering to notice the difference between the two.
• goosebumps

  

  Mooney44Cards;1172327 wrote:Well you guys can make sense and stuff all you want, I will just lazily lump the parents who care about their kids in with the parents who coddle their kids so that I can make generalizations about the entire group rather than bothering to notice the difference between the two.

  Don't confuse my anti-bullying stance with a pro coddling stance. Kids need to be taught to be independent and look out for themselves, but that doesn't mean violence is the answer. Is there ever a time to use violence to protect yourself? absolutely, is it everytime? no, and its not even 1 out of 100 times, but kids should be prepared and equipped to defend themselves should the need ever arise.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  goosebumps;1172332 wrote:Don't confuse my anti-bullying stance with a pro coddling stance. Kids need to be taught to be independent and look out for themselves, but that doesn't mean violence is the answer. Is there ever a time to use violence to protect yourself? absolutely, is it everytime? no, and its not even 1 out of 100 times, but kids should be prepared and equipped to defend themselves should the need ever arise.

  I wasn't confusing anything of what you said, I actually completely agree with everything you said, I was simply making fun of that mentality that fails to see a difference between CARING and CODDLING.
• goosebumps

  

  Mooney44Cards;1172337 wrote:I wasn't confusing anything of what you said, I actually completely agree with everything you said, I was simply making fun of that mentality that fails to see a difference between CARING and CODDLING.

  Gotcha, and I agree with you.
• Steel Valley Football

  goosebumps;1172323 wrote:Haha I agree there's too much PC stuff going on today with the youth, but beating toughness or screaming toughness into them really has no place. What kind of "tough guy" gets off by making a child feel bad about themselves?

  Sorry I was being 100% sarcastic. I was referencing Raw Dorkin It's initial post about the solution to all bullying being solved if parents would just be "hard". He's so clueless. I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Good post.
• goosebumps

  

  Steel Valley Football;1172537 wrote:Sorry I was being 100% sarcastic. I was referencing Raw Dorkin It's initial post about the solution to all bullying being solved if parents would just be "hard". He's so clueless. I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Good post.

  Yeah I could tell you were agreeing with me, my post was more of a follow up on yours
• DeyDurkie5

  

  It's crazy that people honestly believe people should bullly/be hardasses(rawdawg)...but then again, he wears Ed Hardy. So that makes sense.