Junior Seau Shot and Killed
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Pick6
I will never understand why people commit suicide when they aren't on their death bed. Its hard for me to have sympathy for them. Feel very bad for their family though.
Some senior committed suicide at a local high school yesterday. It's rumored that he did it because of bullying. He killed himself with 2 weeks of high school left. I just don't get it, and probably never will. -
Ytowngirlinfla
News out here in San Diego is crazy. He was like the football god here. But it seems he did have some mental issues, caused by football or not. He was a great player, arguably the best linebacker to play the game. -
Mooney44Cards
Hey remember that part where I said "players should presume that they'll be safe and sound playing a game based on collisions" ?se-alum;1160431 wrote:You're right, the player should presume that they'll be safe and sound playing a game based on collisions...lol.
No?
Oh, it must be because I didn't say that and neither did anyone else in the history of the world. Wonderful straw man argument though. Your debate skills are out of this world. -
Ironman92
KR1245;1160337 wrote:Watching his mom speak was tough to watch
I had to turn it.
Watching Marcelus (sp) Wiley was very telling.
Seau for about a dozen years was pretty much Troy Polamalu at LB....but rarely missed....or Ray Lewis but far more appealing to most fans. -
Mooney44Cards
Except Seau didn't kill anybody.Ironman92;1160619 wrote:or Ray Lewis
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se-alum
Lol...if my debating skills are bad, what does that say about yours? This paragraph of yours was basically made up. The NFL isn't doing anything huh??Mooney44Cards;1160296 wrote:Pretty clear to me what went on here, the fact that he shot himself in the chest almost confirms it. Doesn't for sure mean its the case, but this is the 3rd former NFLer to off himself in the past 15 months. CTE has been an elephant in the room for far too long. The NFL should be leading the way in improving helmets/equipment to try and prevent concussions, or we may start to see schools dropping football due to liability issues. This is quite a ways down the road, but something I feel is inevitable as more studies are done on CTE and its link to football (and hockey, and soccer, etc.) The NFL is doing a terrible job with this. They're throwing a band aid on a festering wound with this whole fining players thing. They should have announced 2 years ago that they were conducted studies on how helmets/equipment can be improved. Glad those billions aren't going into anything worthwhile though!
Looks to me like the NFL is involved in all kinds of programs to promote and research safety not only for the players in the league, but for youth sports as well.
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Mooney44Cards
Oh the old "I got called out for putting words in somebody else's mouth so I won't acknowledge that, I'll deflect the blame" tactic.se-alum;1160629 wrote:Lol...if my debating skills are bad, what does that say about yours? This paragraph of yours was basically made up. The NFL isn't doing anything huh??
Looks to me like the NFL is involved in all kinds of programs to promote and research safety not only for the players in the league, but for youth sports as well.
http://nflhealthandsafety.com/commitment/programs/
Has the NFL done ANYTHING to improve player safety regarding head injuries recently? Fine players? That doesn't stop the hits. Require rules to be followed for playing possibly-concussed players after a hard hit? See: Michael Vick, Colt McCoy, etc. Conceded to veteran players that football was the cause of their chronic injuries, conditions, and diseases? IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL.
But good thing you fell for that little PR stunt of their's that you linked to. It seems to really be making a difference! -
DeyDurkie5
Moved kick offs back to reduce head on head collisions.Mooney44Cards;1160732 wrote:Oh the old "I got called out for putting words in somebody else's mouth so I won't acknowledge that, I'll deflect the blame" tactic.
Has the NFL done ANYTHING to improve player safety regarding head injuries recently? Fine players? That doesn't stop the hits. Require rules to be followed for playing possibly-concussed players after a hard hit? See: Michael Vick, Colt McCoy, etc. Conceded to veteran players that football was the cause of their chronic injuries, conditions, and diseases? IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL.
But good thing you fell for that little PR stunt of their's that you linked to. It seems to really be making a difference! -
Mooney44Cards
This would be like reducing the speed limit on all roads to make any accidents less severe when the actual problem was that the cars were unsafe.DeyDurkie5;1160736 wrote:Moved kick offs back to reduce head on head collisions. -
DeyDurkie5
it's still reducing the amount of injuries, therefore reducing concussions and helping player safety.Mooney44Cards;1160740 wrote:This would be like reducing the speed limit on all roads to make any accidents less severe when the actual problem was that the cars were unsafe. -
Mooney44Cards
And do you think that's good enough when lives are literally at stake?DeyDurkie5;1160744 wrote:it's still reducing the amount of injuries, therefore reducing concussions and helping player safety. -
DeyDurkie5
I don't care about the argument in general, just pointing out that they at least did something to reduce it since you thought otherwise. I personally think it's a violent game, they get paid millions of dollars to play this game, and they have helmets/pads/etc. to protect them. Injuries are going to happen in this sport, plain and simple. You have maybe 1 in a 1000 players kiling themselves over head injuries sustained and people get up in arms about it.Mooney44Cards;1160746 wrote:And do you think that's good enough when lives are literally at stake? -
Pick6
Cry me a fucking river. I'd happily put my "life at stake" by playing a game that I love while making millions of dollars doing it.Mooney44Cards;1160746 wrote:And do you think that's good enough when lives are literally at stake? -
Mooney44Cards
If any other occupation/product killed 1 in 1000 of its employees/users, the government would shut it down. Being a sport that people enjoy, and the athletes making tons of money have nothing to do with it.DeyDurkie5;1160749 wrote:I don't care about the argument in general, just pointing out that they at least did something to reduce it since you thought otherwise. I personally think it's a violent game, they get paid millions of dollars to play this game, and they have helmets/pads/etc. to protect them. Injuries are going to happen in this sport, plain and simple. You have maybe 1 in a 1000 players kiling themselves over head injuries sustained and people get up in arms about it. -
Mooney44Cards
And this is exactly what the players think until they're 45 years old an blow their brains out and never get to see their kids grow up.Pick6;1160768 wrote:Cry me a fucking river. I'd happily put my "life at stake" by playing a game that I love while making millions of dollars doing it.
It amazes me what people will claim they would do for money. Like give up literally half their life. -
sleeper
LOL @mooney.
yeah, just put flags on it and call it flag football. Sheesh, no wonder ND can't win a bowl game that anyone cares about; they have fans who think football is for pansies(and their recruits think the same too). -
sportchamppsI know two or three years ago I read an article either in SI or ESPN about the Patriots team Dr reducing concussions. The Dr was using XRays to create mouthpieces that would properly align the players jaw bones. His theroy was that by alligning the jawbone properly it helped asorb the concussion because the bone wasnt moving around as much. In the three years Patriots players had worn them they had like 80% less concussions then other teams. He took his research and the NFL rejected it because some players complained it was uncomfortable and it was two small of a sample size.
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Pick6
because a few former football players did it, football is to blame? FWIW, Seau was never diagnosed with a concussion in the pros.Mooney44Cards;1160773 wrote:And this is exactly what the players think until they're 45 years old an blow their brains out and never get to see their kids grow up.
It amazes me what people will claim they would do for money. Like give up literally half their life. -
Pick6
and to everybody who is saying "its obvious he is trying to protect his head, thats why he shot himself in the chest"...was he trying to protect his head when he drove his car off of a cliff?
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Mooney44Cards
Yes, several times I recommended that all American football teams stop contact immediately and convert to flag football. Another strawman argument. You guys aren't doing a very good job of convincing me that I'm wrong when you can't even get my point straight. Let me spell it out for you:sleeper;1160777 wrote:LOL @mooney.
yeah, just put flags on it and call it flag football. Sheesh, no wonder ND can't win a bowl game that anyone cares about; they have fans who think football is for pansies(and their recruits think the same too).
THE NFL NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING IN ITS POWER TO REDUCE CONCUSSIONS BY IMPROVING MEDICAL TECHNIQUES, IMPROVING EQUIPMENT, AND IMPROVING PLAYER/COACH EDUCATION.
Whatever they have done so far is not even close to enough. -
DeyDurkie5
LOL the NFL isn't killing players. The players are getting into debt, getting retarded bitches to fuck, being to hopped up on roids, etc. and then offing themselves.Mooney44Cards;1160770 wrote:If any other occupation/product killed 1 in 1000 of its employees/users, the government would shut it down. Being a sport that people enjoy, and the athletes making tons of money have nothing to do with it. -
Mooney44Cards
CTE doesn't even require a full on concussion to take place, just repeated blows to the head. Or are you gonna tell me he didn't experience that either? :rolleyes:Pick6;1160792 wrote:because a few former football players did it, football is to blame? FWIW, Seau was never diagnosed with a concussion in the pros.
Also, not being diagnosed with a concussion means nothing. The NFL didn't even start taking that seriously until 2 or 3 years ago.
Well, that happened before Dave Duerson (former NFL player) shot himself in the chest to preserve his brain for medical research.Pick6;1160794 wrote:and to everybody who is saying "its obvious he is trying to protect his head, thats why he shot himself in the chest"...was he trying to protect his head when he drove his car off of a cliff?
Both of these were pretty terrible points and shows that you have no idea what you're talking about you're just spitting out thoughts you think are relevant. Read up buddy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Duerson -
Mooney44Cards
You should probably read this if you really think that.DeyDurkie5;1160797 wrote:LOL the NFL isn't killing players. The players are getting into debt, getting retarded bitches to fuck, being to hopped up on roids, etc. and then offing themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
I sincerely hope you don't believe that and you're just trolling.
If you're not, LOL STEROIDS MAKE DUDES cRaZy BUT REPEATED BLOWS TO THE HEAD DON'T! LOLZ OK JUST PUTTING MY HEAD BACK IN THE SAND BYE GUYZ. -
DeyDurkie5
you get paid millions to play hte game. IF you don't want to play and have the risk of head injuries, don't play. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. your arguing style is awfully annoying. Let's just play the game like hte pro bowl and watching the ratings sizzle!Mooney44Cards;1160804 wrote:You should probably read this if you really think that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
I sincerely hope you don't believe that and you're just trolling.
If you're not, LOL STEROIDS MAKE DUDES cRaZy BUT REPEATED BLOWS TO THE HEAD DON'T! LOLZ OK JUST PUTTING MY HEAD BACK IN THE SAND BYE GUYZ.
also, i can putz retardedz z'z at the end of my wordz too and act all internet cool!!!! LULLZLOLZLOULZLFODPZLZ -
Mooney44Cards
The players don't know the risks. Neither do doctors and scientists, which is why this is still being researched heavily.DeyDurkie5;1160808 wrote:you get paid millions to play hte game. IF you don't want to play and have the risk of head injuries, don't play. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. your arguing style is awfully annoying. Let's just play the game like hte pro bowl and watching the ratings sizzle!