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Gay Student Sues over T-Shirt

  • Heretic
    Skyhook79;1136744 wrote:Since you believe in the crucifixion then you must also acknowledge the resurrection. Jesus could have said "how do you like me now" to those who nailed him to the cross but he didn't. He forgave them and they still had hope even after what they did.
    Logic Fail 101.

    1. Believe it's likely that person existed in real life as a prophet of his man-created faith.
    2. Also believe it's likely that said person was executed because in times of conflicting religious beliefs, that's how "gods" liked to have their problems solved.
    3. Therefore, must believe every story about said person...no matter how fanciful they may be. Walk on water, instantly feed masses by causing food to multiply, auto-turn water into wine, cure lepers, come back from the dead, bring someone else back to life, etc. If anything about him is real, it all is. No questions asked.

    Lol. By those standards, one could pick up the Frontiersmen by Allan Eckert and say that since Tecumseh, Simon Kenton, Daniel Boone, etc. were real people, then every word in that book is law. Even the parts that are obviously dramatized to make it a more interesting read that feels more like a novel than a historical account of that time period in Ohio.
  • Skyhook79
    Heretic;1136850 wrote:Logic Fail 101.

    1. Believe it's likely that person existed in real life as a prophet of his man-created faith.
    2. Also believe it's likely that said person was executed because in times of conflicting religious beliefs, that's how "gods" liked to have their problems solved.
    3. Therefore, must believe every story about said person...no matter how fanciful they may be. Walk on water, instantly feed masses by causing food to multiply, auto-turn water into wine, cure lepers, come back from the dead, bring someone else back to life, etc. If anything about him is real, it all is. No questions asked.

    Lol. By those standards, one could pick up the Frontiersmen by Allan Eckert and say that since Tecumseh, Simon Kenton, Daniel Boone, etc. were real people, then every word in that book is law. Even the parts that are obviously dramatized to make it a more interesting read that feels more like a novel than a historical account of that time period in Ohio.
    Agree except you can ask questions.
  • Curly J
    This Just in. He Won -->http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/judge-gay-high-school-student-will-be-allowed-to-wear-shirt-to-school
  • isadore
    gut;1136542 wrote:I didn't say the shirt was sexual or indecent, I said it was a deliberate affront on Christian beliefs. That's what you don't understand. Like I said, I doubt you would approve of the "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" t-shirt. It's essentially the same type argument presented in the same way, it's just not a pro-gay message.

    Christianity views homosexual acts as a sin, not being a homosexual. Technically, a homophobe would only fear or be offended by the acts. So in that regard Christianity and Jesus are, in fact, homophobic. This shirt deliberately attacks that belief system that homosexuality is wrong, doing so to get a reaction, and in that regard it is inappropriate.
    1. The shirt is not an affront the beliefs of several Christians and vast numbers of Christians in this country. They believe Christ is not a homophobe.
    2. I would classify this T shirt with one that said Christ was not a racist. Until the recent past many churches supported and practiced segregation using the Biblical quotes to justify their acts. Those folks would be affronted by Christ is not a racist.
    3. The large majority of dictionaries do not accept your definition of homophobe. They define it as fear and hatred of homosexuals. The lexicographers along with psychiatrists and psychologist see that as the definition of the terms.
    The T shirt carried a positive message and was a compliment to Christ.
  • isadore
    ccrunner609;1136601 wrote:Once again you fail to see that the expression and "speech" he is making has nothing to do with the "real" problem of bullying. Bullying is not a religious problem is it?

    He should not be allowed to wear the shirt because IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. If his shirt read "bullies shouldnt be homophobes" I would be ok with it because it actually addresses the problem. Religion has nothing to do with it.
    Why yes it is a religious problem. Some of our more narrow minded Christian groups are opposing anti bullying legislation, because it protects homosexuals. And the statement “ Christ is not a homophobe “ directly addresses their stand.
    http://www.missionamerica.com/homosexual.php?articlenum=76
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/14/kentucky-republicans-kill-anti-bullying-bill-that-prevents-discrimination-against-lgbt-students-african-americans-and-others/
    http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/04/why-does-michigans-anti-bullying-bill-protect-religious-tormenters/

    Bullies should not be homophobes” just redirects bullies to return to bullying others based on their physical appearance, size, way of dress, athletic ability, intellect and on and on.
  • isadore
    ccrunner609;1136602 wrote:I believe the seperation of church and state should take care of this. Waynesville is a government funded and ran school. Religion is not allowed.
    In all probabiility kids in that school system where shirts to school on a regular basis advocating their Christian faith.
  • dwccrew
    Skyhook79;1136132 wrote:Tolerance isn't in the Bible nor did Jesus teach it. Matter of fact we are not to be tolerant of sin.

    I'm not saying, nor is his t-shirt saying, to be tolerant of sin. Wasn't it the bible that stated "hate the sin, not the sinner"? I know that is something that crazy homophobes like to bring up a lot.
  • Skyhook79
    dwccrew;1137019 wrote:I'm not saying, nor is his t-shirt saying, to be tolerant of sin. Wasn't it the bible that stated "hate the sin, not the sinner"? I know that is something that crazy homophobes like to bring up a lot.
    It's not in the Bible. We are to love our God with our heart,soul,strength and mind and love your neighbor as yourself and not be tolerant of any sin.
  • DeyDurkie5
    anyone else find it weird people are still clinging to a book thousands of years old? You would think they would evolve and grow and not be so close minded and retarded.
  • ernest_t_bass
    isadore;1136964 wrote:In all probabiility kids in that school system where shirts to school on a regular basis advocating their Christian faith.

    Wear
  • hasbeen
    ernest_t_bass;1137053 wrote:Wear

    Demarcus ware?
  • isadore
    ManO'War;1136672 wrote:He can resist all he wants, but it's not going to change anyone's mind. If someone calls him a *** on the street, what is he going to do..run tell the police that he is being "bullied"??
    bullying is alot more than being called a name and it should be resisted.
  • isadore
    Skyhook79;1136744 wrote:Since you believe in the crucifixion then you must also acknowledge the resurrection. Jesus could have said "how do you like me now" to those who nailed him to the cross but he didn't. He forgave them and they still had hope even after what they did.
    why would believing in his cruxifixion require you to acknowledg the resurrection. if someone is not a Christiain he can believe that the historical Jesus was crucified but not accept the Resurrection.
  • isadore
    dlazz;1136820 wrote:The kid is the one suing the school, he is screaming "attention whore" at that point.
    when someone denies your rights, you should stand up for yourself, which he did.
  • isadore
    ccrunner609;1136888 wrote:But he only gets to wear it for one day??? That ruling is a complete failure. THe law is black and white and this judge just smeared it grey. **** decision.

    In regards to the shirt.............How does pointing out anything about Jesus relate to bullying? Galactically stupid shirt that has almost nothing to do with bullying. Judge should of thrown this garbage out.
    Obviously your understanding of the law is faulty.
    "Most Americans believe that messages about homosexuality coming from religious institutions contribute to negative views of gays and lesbians as well as to higher rates of suicide among gay youths, a new poll reports."
    http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2010-10/americans-say-religious-messages-fuel-negatives-views-gays

    the T shirt makes alot of sense and is not seen as disruptive by the court.
  • dlazz
    isadore;1137060 wrote:when someone denies your rights, you should stand up for yourself, which he did.
    When you're in a public school, you have limited rights.

    The school was in the clear to do what they did, they just used the wrong excuse for making him take it off.

    I saw the same rule applied several times at my high school.
  • isadore
    ccrunner609;1136933 wrote:
    isadore;1136919 wrote:1. The shirt is not an affront the beliefs of several Christians and vast numbers of Christians in this country. They believe Christ is not a homophobe.
    2. I would classify this T shirt with one that said Christ was not a racist. Until the recent past many churches supported and practiced segregation using the Biblical quotes to justify their acts. Those folks would be affronted by Christ is not a racist.
    3. The large majority of dictionaries do not accept your definition of homophobe. They define it as fear and hatred of homosexuals. The lexicographers along with psychiatrists and psychologist see that as the definition of the terms.
    The T shirt carried a positive message and was a compliment to Christ.[/QUOTE]

    My guess is that 95% of "christians" dont agree with you. The christian faith believes that being gay is a sin.
    How much you got,"[h=2]A new poll on Wednesday revealed that support for same-sex marriage is growing among Americans.[/h]Forty-two percent favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally, up from 37 percent last year, according to the Pew Research Center's latest survey.
    Meanwhile, for the first time in 15 years, fewer than half oppose same-sex marriage. Forty-eight percent of Americans are now against same-sex couples marrying, a dip from 54 percent the previous year.
    Notably, pluralities of white mainline Protestants and white Catholics now favor allowing same-sex marriage – another first for the Pew Research Center.
    According to the poll, white mainline Protestants are more likely to support gay marriage (49 percent) than oppose it (38 percent). In the past two years, 49 percent had expressed opposition. Among those who attend church at least once a week, 35 percent favor gays and lesbians marrying.
    A similar shift is seen among Catholics. While opinion was more evenly divided over the past two years, today 49 percent favor gay marriage and 41 percent oppose."
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-protestant-support-for-gay-marriage-rises-47125/

    A new ABC-Washington Post poll finds that, for the first time, a majority of Americans now believe that same-sex marriages should be legal. The poll finds 53 percent think “it should be legal for gay and lesbian couples to get married.” About 45 percent said it should be illegal.
    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2011/03/poll_growing_pu.html
    And that will increase,
    Of course, support is much higher among the young as the more homophobic generations are dying off.
  • isadore
    dlazz;1137070 wrote:When you're in a public school, you have limited rights.

    The school was in the clear to do what they did, they just used the wrong excuse for making him take it off.

    I saw the same rule applied several times at my high school.
    hey its not obscene and its not indecent and its not disruptive.
    Morse v Frederick, "Bong hits for Jesus," loses, disruptive, "Christ is not a homophobe," not
  • ernest_t_bass
    isadore;1137084 wrote:hey its not obscene and its not indecent and its not disruptive.
    Morse v Frederick, "Bong hits for Jesus," loses, disruptive, "Christ is not a homophobe," not

    If the school district can prove that it disrupted the educational process, they're in the clear. Kids talking about the shirt... There's all the disruption you need.
  • Skyhook79
    DeyDurkie5;1137031 wrote:anyone else find it weird people are still clinging to a book thousands of years old? You would think they would evolve and grow and not be so close minded and retarded.
    Who really is the one being closed minded here?
  • isadore
    ernest_t_bass;1137094 wrote:If the school district can prove that it disrupted the educational process, they're in the clear. Kids talking about the shirt... There's all the disruption you need.
    I am sure in the Tinker case there were kids talking about the black armbands, that sure wasn't enough to sway the Supreme Court.
  • elitesmithie05
    Skyhook79;1137112 wrote:Who really is the one being closed minded here?
    Furturmore I find it humorous that someone has "evolved" and "intellectual" as him generally calls things retarded. Very mature and sophisticated he is...
  • I Wear Pants
    gut;1135861 wrote:The problem is it's really a deliberately offensive affront on the belief system of others couched as a positive affirmation of who he is. I doubt you would support a student wearing "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" t-shirts. I don't think we should condone such counter-productive or negative forms of expression in our children. It's inappropriate to express yourself in a way that mocks or ridicules someone else.
    Religion does not have a special right to be offended or to not be made fun of.
  • Skyhook79
    I Wear Pants;1137256 wrote:Religion does not have a special right to be offended or to not be made fun of.
    So you would be ok with a t-Shirt making fun of homosexuals?
  • gut
    I Wear Pants;1137256 wrote:Religion does not have a special right to be offended or to not be made fun of.
    Actually, it does...same as women, minorities, gays/bisexuals and people over 40.