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  • sherm03
    Skyhook79;1129001 wrote:Link to your bolded part.
    sleeper;1129002 wrote:I'd also like to see a scholarship for whites only. This'll be good.
    http://www.scholarships4students.com/sons_of_italy_foundation_national_leadership_grant_competition.htm

    There's one where you have to have to be of Italian descent. Could a black student be part-Italian an qualify? Sure. But this scholarship is done in the same spirit as any minority scholarship. And I'm pretty sure Italian people born in America are just seen as "white guys" to everyone.

    http://www.fastweb.com/college-scholarships/scholarships/35308-james-m-brett-scholarship

    Here's one where the student "must be of Irish descent." The other interesting part, it's only available to males. Now I know you two aren't the brightest and think Tracy McGrady and Shaquille O'Neal would be of Irish descent. But they aren't. That scholarship is going to a white male every year.
  • Skyhook79
    sherm03;1129008 wrote:http://www.scholarships4students.com/sons_of_italy_foundation_national_leadership_grant_competition.htm

    There's one where you have to have to be of Italian descent. Could a black student be part-Italian an qualify? Sure. But this scholarship is done in the same spirit as any minority scholarship. And I'm pretty sure Italian people born in America are just seen as "white guys" to everyone.

    http://www.fastweb.com/college-scholarships/scholarships/35308-james-m-brett-scholarship

    Here's one where the student "must be of Irish descent." The other interesting part, it's only available to males. Now I know you two aren't the brightest and think Tracy McGrady and Shaquille O'Neal would be of Irish descent. But they aren't. That scholarship is going to a white male every year.
    Neither one says white's only need to apply. There are Black people who are of Irish descent.
  • Fly4Fun
    sleeper;1128949 wrote:Just trying to prove a point C4F. People never want to take responsibility for their actions, its always someone else's fault, and a lot of minorities use the race card as their excuse. It's intellectual fraud.
    It doesn't prove a point, you're just asking for fruitless exercise. Just because someone can't provide a concise and efficient plan doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive as a culture to do our best to correct any injustices based upon immutable traits that have a long history of discrimination against.

    Not everything is so polarizing as you like to make it out to be. Your approach is to go to the extremes, yes, it makes things relatively simple. However, that's not how real life works.
  • sleeper
    sherm03;1129008 wrote:http://www.scholarships4students.com/sons_of_italy_foundation_national_leadership_grant_competition.htm

    There's one where you have to have to be of Italian descent. Could a black student be part-Italian an qualify? Sure. But this scholarship is done in the same spirit as any minority scholarship. And I'm pretty sure Italian people born in America are just seen as "white guys" to everyone.

    http://www.fastweb.com/college-scholarships/scholarships/35308-james-m-brett-scholarship

    Here's one where the student "must be of Irish descent." The other interesting part, it's only available to males. Now I know you two aren't the brightest and think Tracy McGrady and Shaquille O'Neal would be of Irish descent. But they aren't. That scholarship is going to a white male every year.
    LOL #fail

    See below.
    Skyhook79;1129009 wrote:Neither one says white's only need to apply. There are Black people who are of Irish descent.
    +1
  • isadore
    sleeper;1128949 wrote:Just trying to prove a point C4F. People never want to take responsibility for their actions, its always someone else's fault, and a lot of minorities use the race card as their excuse. It's intellectual fraud.
    Intellectual fraud, gosh a ruddies. One long whine about affirmative action and the supposed over availability of scholarships for blacks. lets see in a country with a founding document that defined blacks as 3/5s a person, with a Supreme Court decision that said a black had no rights a white man need respect, a country with 100 years of Jim Crow legalized by Plessey v Ferguson, a system that extended into our recent past and whose lingering effects are still with us.
  • sleeper
    Fly4Fun;1129014 wrote:It doesn't prove a point, you're just asking for fruitless exercise. Just because someone can't provide a concise and efficient plan doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive as a culture to do our best to correct any injustices based upon immutable traits that have a long history of discrimination against.

    Not everything is so polarizing as you like to make it out to be. Your approach is to go to the extremes, yes, it makes things relatively simple. However, that's not how real life works.
    What injustice took place here? A black man tresspassing on a Hispanic mans property, the hispanic man is then attacked by the black men and he fears for his life so he shoots the kid to protect himself and his family. Lesson the day, stay off of other people's property uninvited and leave don't try to punch people because they don't share your skin color. Maybe Trayvon was the racist, but no, blacks can't be racist.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1129020 wrote:Intellectual fraud, gosh a ruddies. One long whine about affirmative action and the supposed over availability of scholarships for blacks. lets see in a country with a founding document that defined blacks as 3/5s a person, with a Supreme Court decision that said a black had no rights a white man need respect, a country with 100 years of Jim Crow legalized by Plessey v Ferguson, a system that extended into our recent past and whose lingering effects are still with us.
    All in the past, time to end racism in this country once and for all, we can start with affirmative action.
  • sherm03
    Skyhook79;1129009 wrote:Neither one says white's only need to apply. There are Black people who are of Irish descent.
    And there are white people of African American descent. What is your point?

    If the criteria you are looking for is "the scholarship must say whites only need to apply." Then I'm sorry, I won't be able to produce that and you've missed my point altogether. But I would challenge you, then, to find a scholarship that says "blacks only need to apply." Because you won't find one. Even scholarships from the UNCF do not say they are open to only black students. Contrary to what you want to believe, white students can apply for those scholarships. Will they win one? Probably not. But then how is that different from either of the two (and there are thousands out there) that I posted?
  • Gblock
    isadore;1129020 wrote:Intellectual fraud, gosh a ruddies. One long whine about affirmative action and the supposed over availability of scholarships for blacks. lets see in a country with a founding document that defined blacks as 3/5s a person, with a Supreme Court decision that said a black had no rights a white man need respect, a country with 100 years of Jim Crow legalized by Plessey v Ferguson, a system that extended into our recent past and whose lingering effects are still with us.
    yea blacks taking all the scolarships are a huge problem...i think black males make up like 3-4 percent of all college students nationwide

    not to mention this has been beat to death

    QQ
  • sleeper
    sherm03;1129023 wrote:And there are white people of African American descent. What is your point?

    If the criteria you are looking for is "the scholarship must say whites only need to apply." Then I'm sorry, I won't be able to produce that and you've missed my point altogether. But I would challenge you, then, to find a scholarship that says "blacks only need to apply." Because you won't find one. Even scholarships from the UNCF do not say they are open to only black students. Contrary to what you want to believe, white students can apply for those scholarships. Will they win one? Probably not. But then how is that different from either of the two (and there are thousands out there) that I posted?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

  • isadore
    The United Negro College fund exists for a historical reason. Blacks were segregated in post secondary education, only allowed into severely underfunded institutions. The fund was established to provide needed financial support to these institutions and their students.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1129028 wrote:The United Negro College fund exists for a historical reason. Blacks were segregated in post secondary education, only allowed into severely underfunded institutions. The fund was established to provide needed financial support to these institutions and their students.
    Keyword: were.

    Have a nice day.
  • 1_beast
    http://www.weird-scholarships.org/redhead-scholarship/

    s    cholarship for gingers......

    damn, always trying to keep us normal people down
  • Fly4Fun
    sleeper;1129021 wrote:What injustice took place here? A black man tresspassing on a Hispanic mans property, the hispanic man is then attacked by the black men and he fears for his life so he shoots the kid to protect himself and his family. Lesson the day, stay off of other people's property uninvited and leave don't try to punch people because they don't share your skin color. Maybe Trayvon was the racist, but no, blacks can't be racist.
    I know there is a difference in facts from early in the case to now. There are facts both sides are presenting to make their argument. But I have not yet seen anyone saying that the kid was trespassing on the guys property. He was a "neighborhood watch" in a community, in which the kid had full rights to be there as he was there with his dad who lived there. The dispute is obviously over the "Self defense," but to claim it was to protect his family too is also ridiculous.

    I know it is your modus operandi to deal in extremes. But if you want a real discussion it adds little to it and definitely impairs it. My point in the past two posts is that while your shock style of posting does generate responses, it does little to actually further any meaningful conversation.
  • isadore
    sleeper;1129031 wrote:Keyword: were.

    Have a nice day.
    effects linger, you are like the rapist who stopped his attacks last thursday and tells his victim everything is fine now.
  • Gblock
    this guy also has called 911 46 times since jan1...w no arrests and over 400 times in the last year very disturbing to me.
  • sleeper
    Fly4Fun;1129038 wrote:I know there is a difference in facts from early in the case to now. There are facts both sides are presenting to make their argument. But I have not yet seen anyone saying that the kid was trespassing on the guys property. He was a "neighborhood watch" in a community, in which the kid had full rights to be there as he was there with his dad who lived there. The dispute is obviously over the "Self defense," but to claim it was to protect his family too is also ridiculous.

    I know it is your modus operandi to deal in extremes. But if you want a real discussion it adds little to it and definitely impairs it. My point in the past two posts is that while your shock style of posting does generate responses, it does little to actually further any meaningful conversation.
    Sometimes the only way to get people from becoming an irrational media drone is to provide the extreme version of the other side. The media has warped this story into one about racism in America, it isn't. It's a tragedy being used for political purposes and the fact that the president intervened in the issue just furthers those beliefs.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1129040 wrote:effects linger, you are like the rapist who stopped his attacks last thursday and tells his victim everything is fine now.
    Tell me how any black person alive today had to deal with slavery. Most blacks alive today never dealt with the Jim Crow laws either. Time to grow up.
  • sleeper
    Gblock;1129042 wrote:this guy also has called 911 46 times since jan1...w no arrests and over 400 times in the last year very disturbing to me.
    Someone's gotta protect the neighborhood. This just further my beliefs that Trayvon attacked the guy because he didn't like his skin color.
  • Gblock
    sleeper;1129050 wrote:Tell me how any black person alive today had to deal with slavery. Most blacks alive today never dealt with the Jim Crow laws either. Time to grow up.

    maybe never had to deal w/ slavery directly but because blacks have only had access to equal education for about 40 years(some would argue its still not equal) or so most likely has grandparents who were denied access to education which probably kept their parents from gettting access to the education and resources that were available to their peers. it also means that because their grandparents were poor and uneducated many of their parents are poor and uneducated so they probably live in the hood and dont have access to good schools. give it some time more and more I see this cycle getting broken a few families at a time.
  • sleeper
    Gblock;1129055 wrote:maybe never had to deal w/ slavery directly but because blacks have only had access to equal education for about 40 years(some would argue its still not equal) or so most likely has grandparents who were denied access to education which probably kept their parents from gettting access to the education and resources that were available to their peers. it also means that because their grandparents were poor and uneducated many of their parents are poor and uneducated so they probably live in the hood and dont have access to good schools. give it some time more and more I see this cycle getting broken a few families at a time.
    So the way to move on from the past is to use racism against whites from past wrongs? Great. Or we could just treat everyone equally regardless of race, like normal, and put this racial divide behind us.
  • sleeper
    Also, and I've posted studies on this before that no one bothers to read becaues they'd rather just attack me, AA just continues the concept of inferiority for black people. The question always lingers, did they get here because they are black or did they get here because they are qualified. The injustice seen by whites reinforces the idea of the helpless African American, which only hurts the black community.

    End AA, and over time the wounds will heal and we can all live in peace.
  • xKoToVxSyNdRoMe
    You have way to much free time. Hope this helps!
  • Gblock
    sleeper;1129057 wrote:So the way to move on from the past is to use racism against whites from past wrongs? Great. Or we could just treat everyone equally regardless of race, like normal, and put this racial divide behind us.
    frist of all QQ

    racism against whites?? cmon man who is the victim here? secondly it sounds great if we could treat everyone equally and the world worked like that and someday maybe it will but its not there yet. not that i totally disagree with your opinion i just dont think were ready for it yet. and you keep talking about blacks crying about racism but you are the only one crying about it all the time...let it go you are focusing on a very small part of the problem. i mean how many students do you imagine are taking scholarships from whites?? do you have a specific number in mind?
  • wkfan
    sherm03;1128997 wrote:Did you even read my post? True, a black student can probably apply for any of the scholarships I listed (Irish heritage scholarships, Polish scholarships, etc). But they would not be considered for the scholarship if they do not meet the criteria (i.e. can prove they are from that racial background).

    It's the exact same situation because a white student can absolutely apply for one of the minority scholarships. But they would not be considered for the scholarship because they do not meet the criteria.

    When I was graduating high school, I applied for a scholarship with the Ancient Order of Hibernians. They award a scholarship every year to the son, grandson, daughter, or granddaughter of one of their members. So could that be open to a black student? Technically. But I don't know how many black people would qualify. To be a member of the AOH you have to be a practicing Roman Catholic of Irish birth or descent.

    So I believe that you missed my point (even though you tried to cover it up well with bolded AND underlined AND italicized words). So I'll try to give the message to you in a way you won't miss this time...

    There ARE scholarships that ONLY white students can apply for and black students are not considered for.
    Yes, I did read your post. Not sure why you don't think that I did.

    I understand that anyone can apply for any scholarship. That is not my point.

    My point is that there are scholarships that white applicants will not be considered for while there are no scholarships that only white, caucasian candidates will be considered for.

    Your examples about Polish, Irish, Hibernian heritage scholarships are irrelevant to this discussion as there are many students that are both African-Amierican and Irish, Polish, etc, so an Africa-American could compete for those scholarships. However, if you are white, caucasian student, you cannot compete for a scholarship that is for African-Americans only because, well they are white.