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  • Bio-Hazzzzard
    dlazz;1108582 wrote:I priced it out on a few different websites. The "true market" price for the car is about 19500, they knocked it down to $16685.
    Keep in mind that this car is a calender year and a half of new and this is the type of car that you can land the best deal on. The dealers call this "lot rot" and will bend over backwards to get rid of them. Salesman love to be the one to sell this type of car, sort of an ego thing that they finally got rid of it.

    Lot rot is the best deal going for sure.
  • rydawg5
    Bio-Hazzzzard;1108599 wrote:Keep in mind that this car is a calender year and a half of new and this is the type of car that you can land the best deal on. The dealers call this "lot rot" and will bend over backwards to get rid of them. Salesman love to be the one to sell this type of car, sort of an ego thing that they finally got rid of it.

    Lot rot is the best deal going for sure.
    Only because there is usually an nice "mini" attached to it. The thing is, why not start going to Walmart and ask for the invoice of the T-shirt you are about to buy. There is no problem with letting someone who spent 3 hours of their time with you profit $300-500. It was probably the only car they'll sell for 1-3 days. Translating into about $100/day (big whoop). Being a jackass about it "like true car wants you to be" would have salesman working 60hrs/week for about $300/week. That's what your goal is? To have someone spend 3 hours with you showing you the ins and outs of a car that you'll own for the next 5-7 years ... give him enough profit so he can qualify for WIC, Food stamps, Medicaid, etc? Sheesh.
  • rydawg5
    justincredible;1108016 wrote:I wouldn't recommend a lease unless you want a new car every so many years and, like zwick said, want a car payment always.
    Interesting you say that. You have a 2009 you are thinking of getting rid of because of "tech stuff"? You'd have to assume a 2015 model would get you to want to buy for the same reasoning in 3 years? Therefore, maybe leasing would be the better option.
  • hoops23
    dlazz;1108454 wrote:A new clutch is going to be in the 700-800 ballpark, so halfish of a down payment on something else.

    The car is a 99, so it's getting up there in age.

    I drove a Fiesta today and it was just alright. The dealer is losing on the deal because they are tired of seeing it (it's the only new 2011 Fiesta on the lot).

    The pro is that it is affordable.
    If it's just "alright" to you then don't even think about it. If you're making the commitment to buy a new car and make monthly payments on it for a handful of years, you want to buy something that you REALLY want.
  • LJ
    hoops23;1108642 wrote:If it's just "alright" to you then don't even think about it. If you're making the commitment to buy a new car and make monthly payments on it for a handful of years, you want to buy something that you REALLY want.
    This.

    I spent a little more than I wanted to because I decided I will be keeping this truck for 15 years, so I decided I needed to be able to live with it for 15 years
  • Mulva
    dlazz;1108007 wrote:Might lease it instead. Anyone have experience with that?
    I'm leasing a 2012 Elantra right now. Nice car. Great value for the price. Just got it last month.

    I'm leasing more out of financial necessity though. Used cars are way too expensive to even consider being a worthwhile purchase right now, and if I would have bought new my price range would have been under $20k. Even at that price and financing over 60 months I still would have been paying $60-80 a month more than my lease payment is (minimum).

    All things considered I would probably rather have bought and stopped making car payments much sooner than I'm going to be able to this way, but if you want a low monthly payment and don't anticipate driving over 12k miles per year leasing isn't a bad option at all. There are some really nice dealer specials to be found if you don't care about loading up with every available package/feature.
  • Bio-Hazzzzard
    rydawg5;1108634 wrote:Only because there is usually an nice "mini" attached to it. The thing is, why not start going to Walmart and ask for the invoice of the T-shirt you are about to buy. There is no problem with letting someone who spent 3 hours of their time with you profit $300-500. It was probably the only car they'll sell for 1-3 days. Translating into about $100/day (big whoop). Being a jackass about it "like true car wants you to be" would have salesman working 60hrs/week for about $300/week. That's what your goal is? To have someone spend 3 hours with you showing you the ins and outs of a car that you'll own for the next 5-7 years ... give him enough profit so he can qualify for WIC, Food stamps, Medicaid, etc? Sheesh.
    So you pay full sticker?

    I sold cars and it is most common to get the mini which is about $150 per car. A salesman would rather sell more cars at a mini and spend less time with the customer to reach a bonus at the end of the month. It is a fact that I never believed until I sold cars for a living, that bonus is much more valuable than one single sale at a time. I've been there and it's all about the bonus (units sold) and not about an individual sale.
  • hoops23
    rydawg5;1108634 wrote:Only because there is usually an nice "mini" attached to it. The thing is, why not start going to Walmart and ask for the invoice of the T-shirt you are about to buy. There is no problem with letting someone who spent 3 hours of their time with you profit $300-500. It was probably the only car they'll sell for 1-3 days. Translating into about $100/day (big whoop). Being a jackass about it "like true car wants you to be" would have salesman working 60hrs/week for about $300/week. That's what your goal is? To have someone spend 3 hours with you showing you the ins and outs of a car that you'll own for the next 5-7 years ... give him enough profit so he can qualify for WIC, Food stamps, Medicaid, etc? Sheesh.
    STFU.
  • rydawg5
    Bio-Hazzzzard;1108669 wrote:So you pay full sticker?

    I sold cars and it is most common to get the mini which is about $150 per car. A salesman would rather sell more cars at a mini and spend less time with the customer to reach a bonus at the end of the month. It is a fact that I never believed until I sold cars for a living, that bonus is much more valuable than one single sale at a time. I've been there and it's all about the bonus (units sold) and not about an individual sale.
    The average car salesman sells 8-10 cars a month. If most of his deals are "$150 minis" - then you are telling me he is working 60/hours a week for $1200-$1500 month. Hitting the "10 car bonus" which is $250-$500. (If survey scores are good enough, he'll bang out $1450-2000 month. He probably worked 50-60 hours a week. So, an average salemen (not below average) is making about $7.25/hr to 8/hr for the 200 to 250 hours spent working a month.
  • Bio-Hazzzzard
    rydawg5;1108674 wrote:The average car salesman sells 8-10 cars a month. If most of his deals are "$150 minis" - then you are telling me he is working 60/hours a week for $1200-$1500 month. Hitting the "10 car bonus" which is $250-$500. (If survey scores are good enough, he'll bang out $1450-2000 month. He probably worked 50-60 hours a week. So, an average salemen (not below average) is making about $7.25/hr to 8/hr for the 200 to 250 hours spent working a month.
    Exactly, and that's why I quit.

    I made a little less than $300/week and was one of the top salesman.
  • LJ
    rydawg5;1108674 wrote:The average car salesman sells 8-10 cars a month. If most of his deals are "$150 minis" - then you are telling me he is working 60/hours a week for $1200-$1500 month. Hitting the "10 car bonus" which is $250-$500. (If survey scores are good enough, he'll bang out $1450-2000 month. He probably worked 50-60 hours a week. So, an average salemen (not below average) is making about $7.25/hr to 8/hr for the 200 to 250 hours spent working a month.
    LOL, I'm not going to spend more money because someone decided to be a car salesman
  • hoops23
    rydawg5;1108674 wrote:The average car salesman sells 8-10 cars a month. If most of his deals are "$150 minis" - then you are telling me he is working 60/hours a week for $1200-$1500 month. Hitting the "10 car bonus" which is $250-$500. (If survey scores are good enough, he'll bang out $1450-2000 month. He probably worked 50-60 hours a week. So, an average salemen (not below average) is making about $7.25/hr to 8/hr for the 200 to 250 hours spent working a month.
    No offense to any car salesman, but why is that my problem? If you feel this way, why don't you go and just hand your local car salesman some "money on the side" each week?
  • rydawg5
    hoops23;1108689 wrote:No offense to any car salesman, but why is that my problem? If you feel this way, why don't you go and just hand your local car salesman some "money on the side" each week?
    It's not your problem, but everyone seems to think that car salesmen are "robbing you blind" when you walk on a lot. They are obviously barely getting by. Why the bad rep and disdain for them?

    When you go out to eat do you tip? Why? It's not your problem, they are in the wrong profession?
  • hoops23
    rydawg5;1108705 wrote:It's not your problem, but everyone seems to think that car salesmen are "robbing you blind" when you walk on a lot. They are obviously barely getting by. Why the bad rep and disdain for them?

    When you go out to eat do you tip? Why? It's not your problem, they are in the wrong profession?
    You are simply retarded if you don't know the difference.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    dlazz;1108454 wrote:A new clutch is going to be in the 700-800 ballpark.
    Thats typical of a front wheel drive vehicle, but you have a Mustang right? and If I remember it's the v6. So the clutch will be lighter duty and only around $150, and the labor on clutch on a rear wheel drive vehicle will only be ~3 hours. They should only be charging you $375-400.
  • dlazz
    Mulva;1108668 wrote:I'm leasing a 2012 Elantra right now. Nice car. Great value for the price. Just got it last month.
    I keep coming back to the Elantra. The "bang for the buck" is there. I found a few that I've liked so far, just need to haggle them down a bit.

    This weekend I'm going to shop some more. The Fiesta is my fail-safe. It was just "alright" because I don't want a hatchback. If it were a sedan, it'd be a near front-runner.

    And I agree with you about used cars. My dad seems to think I should be able to find a decent used car for ~200 a month, but from what I've seen...there's plenty of used cars on the market but the "affordable" ones have high-mileage.

    I was impressed how expensive used cars were. I drove a used 2012 Civic LX yesterday and they wanted 18000 for it with 15k.
  • justincredible
    rydawg5;1108641 wrote:Interesting you say that. You have a 2009 you are thinking of getting rid of because of "tech stuff"? You'd have to assume a 2015 model would get you to want to buy for the same reasoning in 3 years? Therefore, maybe leasing would be the better option.
    I also have a 2005 F150 that is paid off that I have no intentions of selling or trading in. I'll be driving it until the wheels fall off, which is never because it's a Ford. And like I also said, I'm thinking of trading in but chances are I won't. So...
  • dlazz
    justincredible;1108908 wrote:And like I also said, I'm thinking of trading in but chances are I won't. So...

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  • justincredible
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  • dlazz
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  • justincredible
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  • justincredible
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  • dlazz
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    If you did, I wouldn't send you a certified letter.
  • dlazz
    I am the proud owner of a 2012 Hyundai Elantra.
  • THE4RINGZ
    dlazz;1109471 wrote:I am the proud owner of a 2012 Hyundai Elantra.

    Congratulations.