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School shooting in Chardon

  • Fab1b
    It wasn't even my point it is more of the way I remembered things. So it was a generalization think that has been clearly established want a cookie or something? I still won't change my stance that society today is much softer than I saw it growing up but whether it's a generation thing or not I said I don't know!
  • mcburg93
    2kool4skool;1099369 wrote: This later turned out to be untrue, which a 10 second google search could have confirmed for you. But like I said, you're a reactionary and decided to just run with your assumption.


    Seriously though I never heard of school shootings before columbine. So Im with fab for the most part. You had to search to find out about it which means you didnt know either. Until you put up numbers I would guess no one on here knew those numbers. Also If I had to guess no one on here knew there was school shootings before columbine on here. Therefore the question is kind of a moot point.
  • 2kool4skool
    mcburg93;1099398 wrote:SYou had to search to find out about it which means you didnt know either.
    I was fully aware there were school shootings prior to Columbine.
    Until you put up numbers


    I didn't put up any numbers
    Also If I had to guess no one on here knew there was school shootings before columbine on here.
    You're not giving people much credit.
  • justincredible
    Per twitter, the shooter did not know any of the victims.
  • WebFire
    I agree that is seems more common today, even though the numbers might say otherwise. I'm sure much of it is due to increased media exposure with the internet and social media.
  • Heretic
    Well, one reason why things like this didn't really get infamous until Columbine was because that was the first really big sort of thing that happened after the internet got going and information about everything was easy for anyone to get. Not saying the two are attached at the hip, but it seems like a lot of things seem more prevalent now and I often wonder if they're really on the rise to a crazy degree or if they're just more noticeable because you can find info on them immediately from a million sources, as opposed to having to huddle around the old 13-inch black-and-white TV while fiddling with the rabbit ears so you can actually get a damn picture tonight.
  • Mooney44Cards
    I'm sure the search is well under way, but has any scapegoat been found yet?
  • j_crazy
    Mooney44Cards;1099511 wrote:I'm sure the search is well under way, but has any scapegoat been found yet?

    100 bucks on bad weed.
  • dwccrew
    WebFire;1098833 wrote:This is a very good point. We often blame the "kids these days". But the "kids these days" didn't get that way by themselves.
    Bingo.
    pnhasbeen;1098895 wrote:What is he 17? So he gets the death penalty and it isn't executed(pun intended) until he is 40.

    We, the taxpayers, just spent 17x$26,000(the last number I remember hearing for a per inmate)= $442,000 + the tremendous price of his appeals. It's bull****. I know I'm glad he has to face the families of the people he murdered, but because of how our appeals system(even though Ohio moved appeals straight to the Ohio Supreme Court, the Feds still take a while and cost) works he is more likely to die in prison than actually get the needle. Granted, I just moved to a different topic, but how is that fair? The typical insanity bull**** will be pleaded, but I hope to God he doesn't get off.

    This is the type of case where a pistol with one bullet is needed.
    He won't get the death penalty.
    Fab1b;1098952 wrote:If you can't say society as a whole is weaker today than it was 10-20 years ago then I'm not sure what else I can say. No one solves problems the old fashioned way anymore, they shoot. Kids don't play outside, too many kids don't play sports, the rules in sports have changed drastically, everyone sues everyone when the wind blows the way they don't want, I could go on all day!
    The old fashioned way was to shoot each other in a duel, so it is sort of the same thing.
    mcburg93;1099398 wrote:Seriously though I never heard of school shootings before columbine. So Im with fab for the most part. You had to search to find out about it which means you didnt know either. Until you put up numbers I would guess no one on here knew those numbers. Also If I had to guess no one on here knew there was school shootings before columbine on here. Therefore the question is kind of a moot point.
    You never heard of any shooting in a school before Columbine? You don't remember Kip Kinkel?

    Columbine is remembered more often because it was deadlier, but there have been shootings since I can remember (I'm 29).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel
  • Gblock
    dlazz;1099293 wrote:Just because your district had it, means all other districts must too!

    right?!
    thats just dumb...i hope your joking....but seriously since columbine i think you will be hard pressed to find a school you can just walk into.. try it then get back to me
  • mcburg93
    Heretic;1099460 wrote:Well, one reason why things like this didn't really get infamous until Columbine was because that was the first really big sort of thing that happened after the internet got going and information about everything was easy for anyone to get. Not saying the two are attached at the hip, but it seems like a lot of things seem more prevalent now and I often wonder if they're really on the rise to a crazy degree or if they're just more noticeable because you can find info on them immediately from a million sources, as opposed to having to huddle around the old 13-inch black-and-white TV while fiddling with the rabbit ears so you can actually get a damn picture tonight.

    I agree with this. Technology has brought it to to the forefront now.
    dwccrew;1099584 wrote:Bingo.



    He won't get the death penalty.



    The old fashioned way was to shoot each other in a duel, so it is sort of the same thing.



    You never heard of any shooting in a school before Columbine? You don't remember Kip Kinkel?

    Columbine is remembered more often because it was deadlier, but there have been shootings since I can remember (I'm 29).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel
    Never heard of it til now. Thanks for sharing.
  • Iliketurtles
    Gblock;1099615 wrote:thats just dumb...i hope your joking....but seriously since columbine i think you will be hard pressed to find a school you can just walk into.. try it then get back to me
    I graduated in 2004. Since then I've gone into my high school and just walked into it. My school probably has like 400 kids or less for 7-12th in this building. I mean your supposed to go into the main office and sign in and all but its so easy to bypass that. Although they are currently building a new school so I don't know whats being done there.

    Also I had heard of school shooting before Columbine but I'd say because of the internet and how many kids were killed they became a much bigger deal and people knew about them more.
  • Pick6
    Gblock;1099615 wrote:thats just dumb...i hope your joking....but seriously since columbine i think you will be hard pressed to find a school you can just walk into.. try it then get back to me
    anybody could walk into my high school in the morning. I graduated in 09.
  • Gblock
    hmmmm...i stand corrected im surprised in this day and age that administrators would open themselves up to that type of liability.
  • Mooney44Cards
    I think its hilarious, one of the first (over)reactions I heard on the news was something like "You wonder why they don't have metal detectors there and if something like a metal detector might have prevented this."

    As if metal detectors are some magic barrier that makes a gun disappear when you walk through it.
  • oberhaus
    Gblock;1099644 wrote:hmmmm...i stand corrected im surprised in this day and age that administrators would open themselves up to that type of liability.

    In the AM when everyone is arriving to school it is quite common. You gonna have 1100 (Chardon) kids each press a button to be buzzed in? And just use one entrance?

    This kid wasnt an outsider. All Chardon kids gather there to be bused elsewhere (Auburn Career Center, Lake Academy) if i remember right, they even bus kids to Notre Dame/Cathedral Latin and Mentor Lake Catholic.
  • Glory Days
    Iliketurtles;1099101 wrote:Again who's fault is that? Maybe if the PARENTS of those kids didn't buy them those things and didn't let them spend all day on them it wouldn't be a problem. Also you claim that kids should stand up for himself and fight back? You know what happens the kids who fights back will most likely get picked on more and if he really stands up for himself and actually hits whoever is bullying him he most likely going to set suspended/expelled(depending on what happens probably have charges pressed against him because the bullies parents will force it. I know because it happened to me. I was a senior in high school pretty had gotten picked on ever since I moved to Ohio in the 5th grade.(And well before I moved to Ohio as well lol). But we had a lifting class and I was in there with a bunch of football players a few of them liked to really make fun of me and one kid always kept bringing up and making fun of me for missing out on going to state in cross country by 2 seconds. One day I'd had enough and just let it all loose and tackled him and got about 5 good punches in before I was thrown off him. I broke his nose and jaw. I was suspended for 5 days and had to do 100 hours of community service.

    Again kids these days are not the problem with pussifing America its the childrens parents who are in your generation who have done things to make that happen. (Buying their kids whatever they want, taking things out of school, taking scoring out of youth leagues, giving everyone one a trophy, molesting kids so parents are more afraid to let there kids go outside, etc.) I mean there are countless things different from when I was kid and I'm only 25.

    Also I think its great we have the media oulet we do now to hear about all this stuff. I think the more we hear about it the more we can take the steps to hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again.
    .....wait, fighting over cross country?............anyways, did that guy pick on you any more after you broke his jaw?..........over cross country....
  • Iliketurtles
    Glory Days;1099709 wrote:.....wait, fighting over cross country?............anyways, did that guy pick on you any more after you broke his jaw?..........over cross country....
    Nope pretty much people left me alone after that.
  • Skyhook79
    Iliketurtles;1099101 wrote:Again who's fault is that? Maybe if the PARENTS of those kids didn't buy them those things and didn't let them spend all day on them it wouldn't be a problem. Also you claim that kids should stand up for himself and fight back? You know what happens the kids who fights back will most likely get picked on more and if he really stands up for himself and actually hits whoever is bullying him he most likely going to set suspended/expelled(depending on what happens probably have charges pressed against him because the bullies parents will force it. I know because it happened to me. I was a senior in high school pretty had gotten picked on ever since I moved to Ohio in the 5th grade.(And well before I moved to Ohio as well lol). But we had a lifting class and I was in there with a bunch of football players a few of them liked to really make fun of me and one kid always kept bringing up and making fun of me for missing out on going to state in cross country by 2 seconds. One day I'd had enough and just let it all loose and tackled him and got about 5 good punches in before I was thrown off him. I broke his nose and jaw. I was suspended for 5 days and had to do 100 hours of community service.

    Again kids these days are not the problem with pussifing America its the childrens parents who are in your generation who have done things to make that happen. (Buying their kids whatever they want, taking things out of school, taking scoring out of youth leagues, giving everyone one a trophy, molesting kids so parents are more afraid to let there kids go outside, etc.) I mean there are countless things different from when I was kid and I'm only 25.

    Also I think its great we have the media oulet we do now to hear about all this stuff. I think the more we hear about it the more we can take the steps to hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again.

    You should have been expelled for that kind of behavior. Whats wrong with just walking away and taking it up with him OFF of School property?
  • Gblock
    if they all meet at the school and are bussed diff places that is different obviously my comments werent pertaining to that situation....if it is only students from 1 school 1100 or not there should be a procedure in place to keep non students out...ive taught in a hs school this size before and after the first 4-5 weeks you wouldnt get very far without being stopped by someone. im surprised that folks think its ok for this amount of lax security and would send your kids to a school with the understanding that anyone could walk in...morning or not. i would not send my kid to a school like that unless it was in the boonies and even then i prolly would have a problem with it.
  • Mooney44Cards
    Gblock;1099801 wrote:if they all meet at the school and are bussed diff places that is different obviously my comments werent pertaining to that situation....if it is only students from 1 school 1100 or not there should be a procedure in place to keep non students out...ive taught in a hs school this size before and after the first 4-5 weeks you wouldnt get very far without being stopped by someone. im surprised that folks think its ok for this amount of lax security and would send your kids to a school with the understanding that anyone could walk in...morning or not. i would not send my kid to a school like that unless it was in the boonies and even then i prolly would have a problem with it.
    How does ANY of this prevent a school shooting?

    Answer: it doesn't.
  • dwccrew
    Mooney44Cards;1099814 wrote:How does ANY of this prevent a school shooting?

    Answer: it doesn't.
    Unfortunately this is the case. It is very difficult to eradicate all threats.
  • Gblock
    Mooney44Cards;1099814 wrote:How does ANY of this prevent a school shooting?

    Answer: it doesn't.
    never said it would...condoms dont 100 % prevent pregnancy or hiv...but i still recommend them. either way schools should be secure locations...random people off the street shouldnt be allowed to walk in is all im saying.
  • oberhaus
    Gblock;1099801 wrote:if they all meet at the school and are bussed diff places that is different obviously my comments werent pertaining to that situation....if it is only students from 1 school 1100 or not there should be a procedure in place to keep non students out...ive taught in a hs school this size before and after the first 4-5 weeks you wouldnt get very far without being stopped by someone. im surprised that folks think its ok for this amount of lax security and would send your kids to a school with the understanding that anyone could walk in...morning or not. i would not send my kid to a school like that unless it was in the boonies and even then i prolly would have a problem with it.

    How do you know there aren't teachers standing outside watching the students come in? From all accounts, this kid was supposed to be where he was so no one would have stopped him from getting in...aside from metal detectors.
  • Gblock
    oberhaus;1099826 wrote:How do you know there aren't teachers standing outside watching the students come in? From all accounts, this kid was supposed to be where he was so no one would have stopped him from getting in...aside from metal detectors.
    notice the first sentence of my post...i said if he was supposed to be there that is different...my statement was based on IF he didnt go to school there and if he wasnt supposed to be there