School shooting in Chardon

• 2kool4skool

  

  I was wondering how long it would be until this turned into a "my generation is so much better than the current one" show.
• oberhaus

  

  My generation is SO much better than the current one!
• Iliketurtles

  

  I Wear Pants;1098760 wrote:I disagree.
  
  This whole idea that the now prevalent anti-bullying attitude is bad is just as stupid as people blaming rape victims because they dressed a certain way or got drunk. The problem is bullies, not kids being soft.
  
  That said, shooting a person is cowardly on a level above bullying. A bully can decide to stop being a worthless human and apologize/change his ways. You can't simply apologize for killing a person.

  I agree with this.
  

  2kool4skool;1098765 wrote:I was wondering how long it would be until this turned into a "my generation is so much better than the current one" show.

  Well these kids who are 10-17 are most likely the children of those who are now 30-60 who claim that America is now "pussified."
• SnotBubbles

  

  Second student dies:
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/28/justice/ohio-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c1#0_undefined,0_
• bigkahuna

  Anyone else glad that the shooter was arrested and didn't get to off himself?
• WebFire

  Iliketurtles;1098803 wrote:Well these kids who are 10-17 are most likely the children of those who are now 30-60 who claim that America is now "pussified."

  This is a very good point. We often blame the "kids these days". But the "kids these days" didn't get that way by themselves.
• gerb131

  

  bigkahuna;1098827 wrote:Anyone else glad that the shooter was arrested and didn't get to off himself?

  Yup good call. Hes gonna rot somewhere deservedly so.
• Fab1b

  

  Some people after events like this or people's death don't just want to say what needs to be said. I will! Also when we talk about generations, I don't recall kids shooting up schools in my days. I have been both bully and bullied and never shot anyone. I have whooped and have had my ass whooped as well!
• mcburg93

  

  I Wear Pants;1098759 wrote:This line of thinking is retarded. Are we to have schools or police or whoever look at every tweet or facebook status and arrest/investigate anything that looks fishy?

  This kind of thinking is just stupid and retarded. If a kid says hes gonna off people by all means it should be looked into. I would rather it be looked into then it actually happens. I dont care if they look into 5 billion kids info cause of it.
• mcburg93

  

  Fab1b;1098864 wrote:Some people after events like this or people's death don't just want to say what needs to be said. I will! Also when we talk about generations, I don't recall kids shooting up schools in my days. I have been both bully and bullied and never shot anyone. I have whooped and have had my ass whooped as well!

  reps
• j_crazy

  

  Is rather the shooter died. Because he won't get the death penalty and likely will get out when he's 40
• justincredible

  

  j_crazy;1098874 wrote:Is rather the shooter died. Because he won't get the death penalty and likely will get out when he's 40

  Yeah. It's nice that he wasn't able to take the easy way out and will now have to face the families of the victims, his own family, and the community. But he won't spend the rest of his life in jail.
• hasbeen

  

  bigkahuna;1098827 wrote:Anyone else glad that the shooter was arrested and didn't get to off himself?

  j_crazy;1098874 wrote:Is rather the shooter died. Because he won't get the death penalty and likely will get out when he's 40

  justincredible;1098878 wrote:Yeah. It's nice that he wasn't able to take the easy way out and will now have to face the families of the victims, his own family, and the community. But he won't spend the rest of his life in jail.

  What is he 17? So he gets the death penalty and it isn't executed(pun intended) until he is 40.
  
  We, the taxpayers, just spent 17x$26,000(the last number I remember hearing for a per inmate)= $442,000 + the tremendous price of his appeals. It's bullshit. I know I'm glad he has to face the families of the people he murdered, but because of how our appeals system(even though Ohio moved appeals straight to the Ohio Supreme Court, the Feds still take a while and cost) works he is more likely to die in prison than actually get the needle. Granted, I just moved to a different topic, but how is that fair? The typical insanity bullshit will be pleaded, but I hope to God he doesn't get off.
  
  This is the type of case where a pistol with one bullet is needed.
• WebFire

  mcburg93;1098866 wrote:This kind of thinking is just stupid and retarded. If a kid says hes gonna off people by all means it should be looked into. I would rather it be looked into then it actually happens. I dont care if they look into 5 billion kids info cause of it.

  I think what he is saying is that it's impractical, nor the schools job, to police Facebook and Twitter accounts of all of it's students. The shooter may have posted that stuff, but it's unlikely any school admins knew about it.
• Pick6

  

  Fab1b;1098665 wrote:Call it like it is. Kids are weaker than ever!! Society is soft!!

  yet its your generation that are raising "kids these days". Take your own advice.
• Pick6

  

  Fab1b;1098864 wrote:Some people after events like this or people's death don't just want to say what needs to be said. I will! Also when we talk about generations, I don't recall kids shooting up schools in my days. I have been both bully and bullied and never shot anyone. I have whooped and have had my ass whooped as well!

  Columbine?
  
  Also, I wish the kid would have offed himself. Would have saved a bunch of taxpayer money!
• Fab1b

  

  Um columbine was what late 90's. I graduated in 94. Tell me how many school shootings took place - 94. Not saying there wasnt any however since columbine it has happened a ton. Early 90's is when guns really started becoming a problem then xploded in 2000's, maybe it's media coverage however I never thought of bringing a gun to school!!
• Fab1b

  

  Pick6;1098924 wrote:yet its your generation that are raising "kids these days". Take your own advice.

  
  Thanks will do I have no kids!!
• Pick6

  

  Fab1b;1098946 wrote:Thanks will do I have no kids!!

  and I'm not weak or soft, either. I can stereotype, too.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  I have two questions for those who think society hasn't been heading down a softer path.
  
  1. What do you consider things like banning dodge ball at school or not keeping score at a high school sporting event?
  
  2. How exactly is bullying worse now than any other time period in history? Is it solely because of social media? Just wondering.
• Fab1b

  

  If you can't say society as a whole is weaker today than it was 10-20 years ago then I'm not sure what else I can say. No one solves problems the old fashioned way anymore, they shoot. Kids don't play outside, too many kids don't play sports, the rules in sports have changed drastically, everyone sues everyone when the wind blows the way they don't want, I could go on all day!
• Fab1b

  

  Bigdaddy I think social media is at the forefront of the problem!
• Pick6

  

  bigdaddy2003;1098951 wrote:I have two questions for those who think society hasn't been heading down a softer path.
  
  1. What do you consider things like banning dodge ball at school or not keeping score at a high school sporting event?
  
  2. How exactly is bullying worse now than any other time period in history? Is it solely because of social media? Just wondering.

  I've never said society isnt getting softer or bullying is worse now. I dont buy either of those statements. I just get annoyed at the "kids these days" statements that the generation who raised them are making!
• Pick6

  

  Fab1b;1098952 wrote:If you can't say society as a whole is weaker today than it was 10-20 years ago then I'm not sure what else I can say. No one solves problems the old fashioned way anymore, they shoot. Kids don't play outside, too many kids don't play sports, the rules in sports have changed drastically, everyone sues everyone when the wind blows the way they don't want, I could go on all day!

  right, suing people over stupid stuff is new.
  1994- Liebeck vs McDonald's, stated the "poster child of excessive lawsuits"
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
• LJ

  

  bigdaddy2003;1098951 wrote:I have two questions for those who think society hasn't been heading down a softer path.
  1. What do you consider things like banning dodge ball at school or not keeping score at a high school sporting event?

  Pussies
  

  2. How exactly is bullying worse now than any other time period in history? Is it solely because of social media? Just wondering.

  Because of Social Media in many ways.
  
  There have been school shootings in the U.S. as far back as the 1800's
  

  November 2, 1853 Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed Schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the Schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.[18]
  
  June 8, 1867 New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old lad brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a fellow classmate.[20]
  
  • December 22, 1868 Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.[21]
  
  • July 4, 1886 Charleston, South Carolina During Sunday school, Emma Connelly shot and killed John Steedley for "circulating slanderous reports" about her, even though her brother publicly whipped him a few days earlier.[26]