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said_aouita;1003851 wrote:No, the fact that I wrestled since 1st grade at Graham, had the Jordan's as my coach as a youth, my brother was on the Jr. Olympic Greco National wrestling team and represented the USA in foreign countries. Also the fact my father was at one time the President of the Buckeye wrestling club and that Russ Hellickson's wife once was my baby sitter may have merit.

Hope this helps....you prick.

All that tells me is you didn't do shit in wrestling, and everyone else in your family did. If you told them your views on wrestling, they all would shake their head at your. LOL at being being credible, because Jordan was your youth coach, and your brother wrestled on the Jr. Olympic team.

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like_that wrote:All that tells me is you didn't do **** in wrestling, and everyone else in your family did. If you told them your views on wrestling, they all would shake their head at your. LOL at being being credible, because Jordan was your youth coach, and your brother wrestled on the Jr. Olympic team.

I ended up "switching" sports to something I loved more.

OK- Please explain why you are more creditable then me? What have you done? Why does you wrestling in HS make you more creditable then me? Many great coaches became great even though they didn't compete in their sport at the highest level.

like_that;1003849 wrote:As I said before, being from Graham does not make you an expert on wrestling, sorry. Have you wrestled before? Like I said, if you have, shame on you. Based off your comments, I am willing to put my life savings you don't know as much about wrestling as I do. Do you REALLY want to go there? Your comments alone made you lose all credibility on the sport to begin with.

If you want to know what your said was incorrect, then just read your whole post, because the whole thing was idiotic, but if you want me to spell it out for you, here you go:

1. You can't be "lazy" at practice and be successful, sorry. You bring up Joe Dennis. First of all, the Jordan's have wrestled at the highest level, and they work with a perennial top 5 national program every year, so they have many guys who work well and beyond harder than most wrestlers in the state. So, yeah I am sure Joe might have looked lazy compared to the numerous blue chip recruits he was wrestling with. Throw him in some d3 crap room, and he will be the poster boy for hard work. Also, during every off season, I saw Dennis almost at every off season tournament i was at. We were both also on team ohio, and he sure as hell didn't seem lazy then. I never heard of a lazy person that sacrifices his free time every saturday to wrestle in an off season tournament. LMAO on winning a state title/national title while being lazy.

2. Which brings me to my next point. If you don't do **** in the off season, your opposition will catch up to you, pretty simple. I have seen some pretty damn good wrestlers succeed one year, and then not do **** in the off season. Those guys end up falling short of what they were capable of, sometimes losing to wrestlers they had previously dominated.

However they did not put the work in, and they didn't even come close to their potential.

Interesting how many wrestlers benefit from XC. Like I said, those wrestlers who didn't put the work in may still be a state champ or a national champ, but they didn't reach their potential.

You saw Dennis at tournaments but not in the practice room. More proof for my point.

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Just for the record, I am by no means saying XC is easy, but to compare it wrestling is a joke, and your comments about wrestling are pretty much insulting to any wrestler who as accomplished anything. You really think any of those NCAA champs are lazy during the off season and during practice? LMAO.

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said_aouita;1003856 wrote:I ended up "switching" sports to something I loved more.

OK- Please explain why you are more creditable then me? What have you done?

Nothing wrong with switching sports, wrestling isn't for everyone, but don't try and sit at your computer and act like you know a lot about wrestling, because you wrestled during your youth years, and your family members had success.

I would post my resume, but the last time I did that, ETB and snotbubbles went on a stalker mission and posted personal info about myself on her. If you really want to know my credentials, I can PM you.

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like_that;1003857 wrote:You really think any of those NCAA champs are lazy during the off season and during practice? LMAO.

I only know for a fact of a state and national HS wrestling champion being lazy in the off season and practice. I never said anything about NCAA champs.

like_that;1003860 wrote:Nothing wrong with switching sports, wrestling isn't for everyone, but don't try and sit at your computer and act like you know a lot about wrestling, because you wrestled during your youth years, and your family members had success.

Young grasshopper, my examples were only a few. I've been around the sport of wrestling, learning and observing probably longer then you've been alive.

like that wrote:Since you apparently speak to the Jordans, do me a favor and tell them that you think XC is tougher than what Jordan's kids go through in practice.

Pay attention. Go back to my original comment to jmog. We are talking what sport is harder, not what sport is tougher.

No doubt wrestling is tough. I'd even be willing to say wrestling is tougher then XC.
The strain on the body from wrestling is horrible. The importance of being able to "grit your teeth" and push through it is more important in wrestling, then XC....
You can be a tough guy and win a state title in wrestling, not XC.

As far as wrestling being the hardest, no way. The hardest is XC.

biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between what is harder or tougher.

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OSH;1003670 wrote:Like I said...there are runners that don't have legs...

Wrestlers without legs have qualified to the state wrestling meet and even won NCAA d1 titles.

(repeat)
Wrestling is tough but not as hard as XC.

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Manhattan Buckeye;1003618 wrote:Agree with all of that, I appreciate the work and effort that wrestlers put in, but running a 10K at the college level or the 5K at the HS level at a competitive pace is an amazing accomplishment, people strive for years to run a sub 15 minute 5K or a sub 33 minute 10K.

hear hear

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like_that;1003857 wrote:You really think any of those NCAA champs are lazy during the off season and during practice? LMAO.

You are putting words in my mouth. I only know for facts of state and national HS champions being lazy in the off season and practice.

OSH

said_aouita;1003879 wrote:Wrestlers without legs have qualified to the state wrestling meet and even won NCAA d1 titles.

(repeat)
Wrestling is tough but not as hard as XC.

I know they have.

Don't get me wrong being a top XC runner is tough. Just like being a top athlete in any sport is tough. But the majority of cross country runners are not "tough." The majority of track participants are not "tough." It is a lot easier to be a participant in cross country and/or track than it is in any other sport. You can go out and have a run...get your varsity letter and jacket. It's just not hard to participate and compete in either cross or track.

There is no legitimacy in saying just because there are no 4-year state champs in cross country like there are in wrestling makes cross harder than wrestling. The sheer numbers say that it shouldn't be mathematically possible to win a single race four years in a row. That doesn't mean it's harder, that just means the odds are against you. I imagine, if you could put all wrestling divisions together, there would be some that would be 4-year state champs but the number would drastically decrease. Again, it's the odds of doing it. You split cross up in several divisions, you'll see runners win multiple state championships -- in my opinion.

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I love the sport of wrestling, don't get me wrong. It's just my definitions of "tough" and "hard" are different, just like the sports of XC and wrestling.
:thumbup:

Many XC participants are not runners. Everyone who competes in wrestling is considered a wrestler. I agree it's easier in XC just to be a participant.

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said_aouita;1003863 wrote:I only know for a fact of a state and national HS wrestling champion being lazy in the off season and practice. I never said anything about NCAA champs.

Young grasshopper, my examples were only a few. I've been around the sport of wrestling, learning and observing probably longer then you've been alive.

Pay attention. Go back to my original comment to jmog. We are talking what sport is harder, not what sport is tougher.

No doubt wrestling is tough. I'd even be willing to say wrestling is tougher then XC.
The strain on the body from wrestling is horrible. The importance of being able to "grit your teeth" and push through it is more important in wrestling, then XC....
You can be a tough guy and win a state title in wrestling, not XC.

As far as wrestling being the hardest, no way. The hardest is XC.

biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between what is harder or tougher.

lol at young "grass hopper." There is a big difference between competing a high level and then coaching wrestling, vs being an observer since junior high. Your age just tells me you were part of the Graham program, before they became a national power. Glad you are trying to use the Graham name to improve your credibility, even though they were irrelevant until Jeff Jordan became a coach. Also, if Jordan was your youth coach, you cant be THAT old. Nice try playing the age card, GTFO. I played soccer up to 5th grade, before playing football. I have always been a fan, and watched soccer at the highest level (watched Italy play live numerous times). I have soccer friends who played for D1 programs. I guess I can act like a credible expert in soccer, since you seem to be doing the same for wrestling.

Try all you want to differentiate between tough and hardest, but now you are just grasping for straws. I don't see how XC can be harder either. You are running, and that's it. You are limited the amount of muscles you use. In wrestling, you find muscles that you never even knew existed. Please just stop.

Raw Dawgin' it

said_aouita;1003863 wrote:biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between what is harder or tougher.

not really...

Commander of Awesome

lol at said_aouita trying to act like he knows about wrestling because he follows Graham (I've only ever seen him post about Graham as well). Right up there with idiot non thinking he knows more about football than Mike Holmgren because he's a steelers fan.

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like_that;1003966 wrote:lol , GTFO.

like that kid wrote:Also, if Jordan was your youth coach, you cant be THAT old. Nice try playing the age card, GTFO.

How much you like using comments like "LOL, LMAO and GTFO" shows your age.

Graham maybe was not the national power house they are now but still had multiple state placers when I was there.

I was coached by Jeff Jordan's father and uncle and my nephew was coached by Jeff at Graham.

Hope this helps.

said_aouita

Commander of Awesome;1003993 wrote:lol at said_aouita trying to act like he knows about wrestling because he follows Graham (I've only ever seen him post about Graham as well). .

Obviously you're an idiot.

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fail_dumbita;1003995 wrote:How much you like using comments like "LOL, LMAO and GTFO" shows your age.

Graham maybe was not the national power house they are now but still had multiple state placers when I was there.

I was coached by Jeff Jordan's father and uncle and my nephew was coached by Jeff at Graham.

Hope this helps.

I never disputed that I wasn't young.

/fail_dumbita

Also, it's called internet lingo, that many people on this site use. You do realize most posters here are in their early to mid 20's right?

No it doesn't help. You honestly lost all credibility with your first idiotic post. Do yourself a favor, print off that post, and show it to Jeff Jordan, and then let me know if he considers you credible after reading it. Actaully don't do it. I wouldn't want you to ruin your credibility with Jordan, since you obviously gained expert knowledge on the sport by going through youth wrestling and watching your brother /sarcasm.

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said_aouita;1003995 wrote:How much you like using comments like "LOL, LMAO and GTFO" shows your age.

LOL, nice job acting like the old wise man....

said_aouita;1004002 wrote:Obviously you're an idiot.

Commander of Awesome

said_aouita;1004002 wrote:Obviously you're an idiot.

Oh bitter because you're getting pwned and don't have a response? ok.

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like_that;1004007 wrote:You honestly lost all credibility with your first idiotic post. Do yourself a favor, print off that post, and show it to Jeff Jordan, and then let me know if he considers you credible after reading it

why would JJ's opinion on track and XC be more creditable then mine?

said_aouita;1003191 wrote:Track and XC are probably the easiest to do but the hardest to excel in.

This was my first post.

hope this helps.

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Commander of Awesome;1004011 wrote:Oh bitter because you're getting pwned and don't have a response? ok.

No, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know me and my past history with the sport of wrestling? (nope)

hope this helps.

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said_aouita;1004013 wrote:why would JJ's opinion on track and XC be more creditable then mine?

This was my first post.

hope this helps.

I stand by my statement. Print off your first idiotic post (I can provide a link for you) about wrestling, and hand it to Jeff Jordan.

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This was my 1st comment on wrestling.

said_aouita;1003211 wrote:I've heard this many times before too. Been dozens of 4x state champs in wrestling. Not one 4x state champ ever in XC for the state of Ohio.
You can win a state title in wrestling (even a national title) just on pure talent while being "lazy" in practice. You could never do this in distance running or XC. Wrestling has an "off-season" where you can do nothing and not dramatically effect your ability to be successful in the sport, unlike distance running.

Too many intangibles in distance running....

This one? No problem. btw- JJ was not the head coach of Graham and the "lazy" national champ I refer to.

I stand by my comment you can be less active in wrestling in the off-season and not lose as much ability and talent, compared to if you were inactive in the offseason as a distance runner.

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said_aouita;1004036 wrote:This was my 1st comment on wrestling.

This one? No problem. btw- JJ was not the head coach of Graham and the "lazy" national champ I refer to.

I stand by my comment you can be less active in wrestling in the off-season and not lose as much ability and talent, compared to if you were inactive in the offseason as a distance runner.

Who was the "lazy" national champ?

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like_that;1004052 wrote:Who was the "lazy" national champ?

See your post #107.

I'm pretty darn sure Joey "bag o doughnuts" was coached by Mr. McCunn. Listen....when Coach McCunn said it, he may have been partially kidding. I've heard from people with a lot more experience in wrestling (then myself) say similar comments, as in he was able "to turn on a switch" when it came time for matches.
Joe Dennis was/is an animal, he could be lazier then some and still be an animal in the practice room.

All I'm saying, that's not possible in distance running.

I'm just stirring the pot anyways. Lets end it there.

jmog

ccrunner609;1003645 wrote:Running 45 minute 10k doesnt give you the ability to understand what a top tier runner goes through.

What I was saying that if a big out of shape guy like me can train for just a couple weeks and run a 10k in under 40 min, it says something.

XC is about being in great shape, you can't deny that. There is nothing else to it.

Wrestling has to be in just as good shape (muscular endurance instead of cardiovascular), AND has to have great strength, and great technique that takes over a decade of training to obtain.

XC isn't something that starts at 4 and 5 years old to teach the sport like wrestling, no one picks it up until junior high at the earliest. So in just a couple years you can be great, no one wins state titles in wrestling if they didn't start back in grade school.

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