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Is There an Act Worse than Raping a Child?

  • Little Danny
    A spin-off of the whole Penn State saga.

    In this day and age where was is right and wrong is sometimes blurred; is there any action that is on its face, so vile, reprehensible that the individual deserves no mercy?

    Can you rank anything over the alleged acts of one Gerald A. Sandusky?
  • thePITman
    Killing someone?
  • thedynasty1998
    Killing is explainable at times, with revenger or retaliation. Not defensable, but explainable.

    There is no explanation for raping a child.
  • June18
    I am in no way condoning any sex crime, however, I do think that the sex offender "idea" (for lack of a better term) is way overblown. I find it disturbing that one can murder someone, do time, and then move on with their life. While someone who is labled a sex offender is ruined for life. It seems like as soon as a sex crime is alleged (involving a minor or otherwise) the accused is guilty. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone be found not guilty in a sex crime. Maybe they just don't get the press but it seems like thats the case. Unfortunately, no one wants to stand up and change the system or they are accused of condoning the actions.

    I have a good friend that has been in prison for 5 years and has 2 more left because he got drunk and made a mistake with a minor. Once again, what he did was wrong, he misused his power as an adult, etc, etc. However, he will continue to do his time the rest of his life, registering and notifying neighbors of his crime.

    I'm sure many will disagree. I also agree that if I had kids and they were a victim I'm sure my stance would change 180 degrees. I'm just not sure how the punishment is not excessive.
  • sleeper
    I don't think there's anything worse.
  • chicago510
    June18;962739 wrote:I am in no way condoning any sex crime, however, I do think that the sex offender "idea" (for lack of a better term) is way overblown. I find it disturbing that one can murder someone, do time, and then move on with their life. While someone who is labled a sex offender is ruined for life. It seems like as soon as a sex crime is alleged (involving a minor or otherwise) the accused is guilty. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone be found not guilty in a sex crime. Maybe they just don't get the press but it seems like thats the case. Unfortunately, no one wants to stand up and change the system or they are accused of condoning the actions.

    I have a good friend that has been in prison for 5 years and has 2 more left because he got drunk and made a mistake with a minor. Once again, what he did was wrong, he misused his power as an adult, etc, etc. However, he will continue to do his time the rest of his life, registering and notifying neighbors of his crime.

    I'm sure many will disagree. I also agree that if I had kids and they were a victim I'm sure my stance would change 180 degrees. I'm just not sure how the punishment is not excessive.
    If making a mistake with a minor translates to raped a 10 year old, then your "friend" got off easy.

    Sexual crimes against minors IMO are the most sickening crimes due to the vulnerable and dependent nature of children and inability to defend themselves.
  • justincredible
    If there is something worse I really don't want to know what it is.
  • Fab1b
    Agree I don't think murder is worse than a sex crime against a child, especially say like 12 and under. I mean there does come a point where one should defend themselves and turn their attackers in but at what point do they even understand what is exactly happening?? That I am not sure of but I know attacking a child especially sexually is the most disgusting act!
  • Little Danny
    June18;962739 wrote:I am in no way condoning any sex crime, however, I do think that the sex offender "idea" (for lack of a better term) is way overblown. I find it disturbing that one can murder someone, do time, and then move on with their life. While someone who is labled a sex offender is ruined for life. It seems like as soon as a sex crime is alleged (involving a minor or otherwise) the accused is guilty. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone be found not guilty in a sex crime. Maybe they just don't get the press but it seems like thats the case. Unfortunately, no one wants to stand up and change the system or they are accused of condoning the actions.

    I have a good friend that has been in prison for 5 years and has 2 more left because he got drunk and made a mistake with a minor. Once again, what he did was wrong, he misused his power as an adult, etc, etc. However, he will continue to do his time the rest of his life, registering and notifying neighbors of his crime.

    I'm sure many will disagree. I also agree that if I had kids and they were a victim I'm sure my stance would change 180 degrees. I'm just not sure how the punishment is not excessive.
    If a guy gets liquored up and hooks up with a 16 year old, then maybe I understand what you are saying (not that I condone it).

    If someone has sex with a child 12 and under, then quite frankly they deserve all the punishment they get and then some. Especially if that someone systematically uses their position of influence to force that individual into sexual favors and does it repeatedly.
  • raiderbuck
    Probably mutilating a kid..like that lady who put her kid in the microwave. Despicable.
  • THE4RINGZ
    I am sure there is.
  • Sykotyk
    June18;962739 wrote:I am in no way condoning any sex crime, however, I do think that the sex offender "idea" (for lack of a better term) is way overblown. I find it disturbing that one can murder someone, do time, and then move on with their life. While someone who is labled a sex offender is ruined for life. It seems like as soon as a sex crime is alleged (involving a minor or otherwise) the accused is guilty. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone be found not guilty in a sex crime. Maybe they just don't get the press but it seems like thats the case. Unfortunately, no one wants to stand up and change the system or they are accused of condoning the actions.

    I have a good friend that has been in prison for 5 years and has 2 more left because he got drunk and made a mistake with a minor. Once again, what he did was wrong, he misused his power as an adult, etc, etc. However, he will continue to do his time the rest of his life, registering and notifying neighbors of his crime.

    I'm sure many will disagree. I also agree that if I had kids and they were a victim I'm sure my stance would change 180 degrees. I'm just not sure how the punishment is not excessive.
    I understand the angle you're coming from. But, I think the reason 'sex offender' is such a taboo is that it's not a willful act. It's a perversion. You don't 'overcome' being a pedophile. It's like if we were to try and 'change' a man who lusts after big-boobed blondes into liking fat, bald women. It just can't happen. It's in their nature. As sick and twisted as it may be.

    Now, as for your friend. A hard-line of 18 is wrong. That's a child-by-law not a child-by-reality. Nobody could dispute a 10-year-old is a child. I've seen many 16 or 17 year olds (both sexes) that appear to be well older than 18. And I've seen many 20-21-22 year olds who I would ID for a rated R movie. For some reason, our country (and really, the world at large) has set 18, or somewhere near 18, as the threshold for adulthood. But, that doesn't make someone under 18 a child. The problem is our legal system really makes no distinction from child to adult except the magical 18-year-old mark. Really, there should be an adolescent range of, I would consider, 14-18 that is somewhat between the two. Still not an adult, but certainly not a kid.

    Nothing scientific can be proven that possessing a photo of a girl 17 year, 364 days is so grievous compared to a photo of the same girl the next day. None. It's simply a construct by law, not reality. To say the one is 'child pornography' is, on its face, a joke and many of these 'sex offenders' are labeled because variances in that fine line. Same way public urination nowawadays can get you slapped with indecent exposure and in some situations forced to register as a sex offender.

    Which propagates the notion there's all these horrible people out there, but it's because of the letter of the law has no conditions. There are some Romeo & Juliet laws out there now, but there's still issues.

    For example: An 18-year-old girl sends a naked photo of herself to her 17-year-old boyfriend. In a lot of places, perfectly legal. If a 17-year-old girl sends a naked photo of herself to her 18-year-old boyfriend who she is engaging in sexual acts with, can still be constituted as child pornography. And not just the boy, but the girl can get in trouble for possessing naked photos of an underage person (herself).

    It's ridiculous. But, it's the one part of the law that legislators don't want to touch because it's not image-friendly to be seen as loosening the rules of child pornography, child molestation, etc.
  • Tobias Fünke
    Easy.

    Raping two children.
  • Laley23
    Put it this way.

    When you go to a federal prison, where you have murderers, serial killers, cannibals, and the like all in there. The person who has no friends in that prison and will be the bitch who gets no respect and is essentially looked as a POS even among the other criminals is the one who is a pedophile. Rapists and pedophiles have no friends in prison, but pedophiles especially. When the people in a federal prison think you are the scum of the earth for your crimes, you are probably the scum of the earth.
  • I Wear Pants
    A Serbian Film contains the answers to this question.
  • I Wear Pants
    raiderbuck;962772 wrote:Probably mutilating a kid..like that lady who put her kid in the microwave. Despicable.
    SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO DRY IT OFF!
  • NNN
    What's worse?

    Ordering the Holocaust.
  • dwccrew
    Simple answer.....no. Nothing is worse.
  • Mulva
    thedynasty1998;962734 wrote:Killing is explainable at times, with revenger or retaliation. Not defensable, but explainable.

    There is no explanation for raping a child.
    That doesn't make any sense. Anything is explainable. Sexual attraction to the child is an explanation. It isn't defensible. It may not be understandable. But it's certainly an explanation.
    June18;962739 wrote:I am in no way condoning any sex crime, however, I do think that the sex offender "idea" (for lack of a better term) is way overblown. I find it disturbing that one can murder someone, do time, and then move on with their life. While someone who is labled a sex offender is ruined for life.
    I don't think anyone with a felony conviction can ever really "move on with their life". You become basically unemployable. I think it's definitely something that needs to be changed with the system. Sentencing becomes irrelevant if you have to continue paying for your crime years after you've left prison
    Tobias Fünke;962799 wrote:Easy.

    Raping two children.
    Win.

    And to answer the question, I'd go with murder as well. I can't guarantee it and I'd rather not find out, but I'm pretty confident that I'd rather be raped and live with significant mental and emotional scars than killed.

    Edit: Nothing has a worse stigma than child molestation though.
  • Laley23
    Mulva;962903 wrote: And to answer the question, I'd go with murder as well. I can't guarantee it and I'd rather not find out, but I'm pretty confident that I'd rather be raped and live with significant mental and emotional scars than killed.
    1 thing that has to be looked at though is why something happened. Most murders arent just on a whim. Most are for a reason, and the person killed did something (not that they deserve to die, but they typically are involved in something). A child 12 or under has done nothing wrong. They cant protect themselves and are being preyed upon without knowing why and without doing any wrongdoing to put themselves in the situation.

    Murder can certainly be an answer here. But not always. Sometimes murder is not nearly as bad as raping a 10 year old. The severity of murder can fluctuate, but not pedophilia. That is always a 10/10 on the sickening scale.
  • Mulva
    Laley23;962919 wrote:The severity of murder can fluctuate, but not pedophilia. That is always a 10/10 on the sickening scale.
    I don't think the severity of murder ever fluctuates. Only the perception of it does. I would completely agree that raping a child is the most 'sickening' act, but murder is still the 'worse' act. I'm trying to think of a better way to word it, but this topic isn't much fun so hopefully you get the gist of what I was trying to say.
  • Tobias Fünke
    No way is murder the worst.

    A dude can murder a guy for raping/murdering his wife, and I'm okay with it mostly.
  • dwccrew
    Mulva;962926 wrote:I don't think the severity of murder ever fluctuates. Only the perception of it does. I would completely agree that raping a child is the most 'sickening' act, but murder is still the 'worse' act. I'm trying to think of a better way to word it, but this topic isn't much fun so hopefully you get the gist of what I was trying to say.
    I'm not so sure. Some people that have lived with the shame, embarassment and guilt of being raped (especially children that were raped) I would say are in much more pain than someone that was murdered. Some people's lives are ruined and forever miserable because of being secually abused as a child and, at times, committ suicide. Apparently for them, death is better than living.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    dwccrew;962937 wrote:I'm not so sure. Some people that have lived with the shame, embarassment and guilt of being raped (especially children that were raped) I would say are in much more pain than someone that was murdered. Some people's lives are ruined and forever miserable because of being secually abused as a child and, at times, committ suicide. Apparently for them, death is better than living.
    Not only this, but factor in the number of sexually abused children (particularly boys) that in turn commit crimes later. Who knows where the kid that Sandusky buggered in the shower is now? Dead? In jail?

    What distinguishes sexual abuse of a child of a minor from all other criminal offenses is the sheer senselessness of the act and the defenselessness of the victim.
  • I Wear Pants
    How is sexual abuse more senseless than murder in the case of a child?