Lions, Tigers, and Bears

• Bigdogg

  HitsRus;939715 wrote:You are an idiot. In your haste to turn this political and into a Kasich bash you didn't even READ the article.
  
  from the article from the legal counsel of the ODNR who would have been in charge of enforcing Strickland's order...
  
  
  do you feel like a dumbass? you should.

  Fuck you asshole. Here are the facts:
  
  1.The Humane Society of the United States collected enough signatures to put a measure on the ballot that would outline minimum standards to be set that the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board (created by a 2009 Ohio Farm Bureau sponsored ballot initiative). Governor Strickland, representative of the HSUS and of the Ohio farming community sat down and came up with a compromise that involved major improvements in Ohio's laws regarding he abuse of animals in exchange for not putting the initiative on the ballot and these included the exotic pet bans.
  
  2.Strickland only issued the executive order in late 2010 as he was on his way out of office. The order would need to be ratified within three months to take effect, but Kasich let it lapse after heavy lobbying from exotic animal trade groups. The order would have prohibited anyone with a cruelty conviction from owning dangerous wild animals. This man did have a cruelty conviction, so his animals would almost certainly have been removed if Kasich had not let Strickland's order lapse. Ohio should have issued regulations and laws about exotic animal ownership years ago. But Strickland finally did so, and the rules were allowed to lapse by Kasich.
  
  3.If John Kasich really came to believe DNR lacked authority, he could have asked his own party's legislative leaders to create it. They're proved they can move very quickly when it comes to stripping workers of collective bargaining rights or other priorities they have. But of course, protecting the public and preventing a mass animal slaughter doesn't fit in with the anti-regulatory pathology of many of today's right wing extremist GOP leaders.
  
  Clearly, Kasich's staff is backpedaling to save face for his fuck up yet again.Now do you feel like an idiot? You are.
• karen lotz

  

  BOOM SHAKA LAKA
• lhslep134

  

  Bigdogg;940646 wrote: This man did have a cruelty conviction, so his animals would almost certainly have been removed if Kasich had not let Strickland's order lapse.

  
  And I can guarantee you that even if Kasich fulfilled Strickland's order, this man's lawyers would have tied up in litigation the removal order long enough to have allowed this situation to occur anyways. It's not like you can pass an order and the next day the animals are going to be gone. It's much more complex than that.
  
  You're grossly oversimplifying the situation. Now do you feel like an idiot?
• LJ

  

  Bigdogg;940646 wrote:
  Clearly, Kasich's staff is backpedaling to save face for his fuck up yet again.Now do you feel like an idiot? You are.

  Not sure what they are backpedaling on. As soon as it expired ODNR was tasked with coming up with the new laws and regulations to be presented by the end of the year.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I repped bigdog's post because a) it was long b) it had words in there i couldn't understand and c) i'm in a good mood
• sportchampps

  Jack Hannah said he was working with the governor and was about 6 weeks away from passing the bill. People have even said losing his animals may have been the reason he committed suicide. To blame this on anyone is stupid the man has had the animals for over 10 years so you better blame everyone in the last 10 years. Why did it take ur beloved Strickland so long to get to it that it couldn't be finished b4 he left office
• LJ

  

  sportchampps;940744 wrote:Jack Hannah said he was working with the governor and was about 6 weeks away from passing the bill. People have even said losing his animals may have been the reason he committed suicide. To blame this on anyone is stupid the man has had the animals for over 10 years so you better blame everyone in the last 10 years. Why did it take ur beloved Strickland so long to get to it that it couldn't be finished b4 he left office

  It was nothing more than his knees buckling in fear to HSUS and Kasich taking a stand against them.
• ts1227

  

  SportsAndLady;940718 wrote:I repped bigdog's post because a) it was long b) it had words in there i couldn't understand and c) i'm in a good mood

  Negged for a) repping Bigdogg and b) trying to justify it :thumbdown:
• se-alum

  

  sportchampps;940744 wrote:Jack Hannah said he was working with the governor and was about 6 weeks away from passing the bill. People have even said losing his animals may have been the reason he committed suicide. To blame this on anyone is stupid the man has had the animals for over 10 years so you better blame everyone in the last 10 years. Why did it take ur beloved Strickland so long to get to it that it couldn't be finished b4 he left office

  Negative reps for making a sensible post. We don't do that here young man.
• TedSheckler

  

  sportchampps;940744 wrote:People have even said losing his animals may have been the reason he committed suicide.

  His wife left him and he owed $68,000 in back taxes. That's a better reason.
• se-alum

  

  I also read that when he got out of prison, he was pissed at how poorly taken care of the animals were. Which would explain releasing them.
• hoops23

  

  lulz at his wife wanting the remaining live animals back.
• Bigdogg

  lhslep134;940659 wrote:And I can guarantee you that even if Kasich fulfilled Strickland's order, this man's lawyers would have tied up in litigation the removal order long enough to have allowed this situation to occur anyways. It's not like you can pass an order and the next day the animals are going to be gone. It's much more complex than that.
  
  You're grossly oversimplifying the situation. Now do you feel like an idiot?

  Strickland was the Governor for four years. In the history of Ohio, any kind exotic pet legislation has never even had a committee hearing. Now your are also an idiot.
• FatHobbit

  

  Bigdogg;940864 wrote:Strickland was the Governor for four years. In the history of Ohio, any kind exotic pet legislation has never even had a committee hearing. Now your are also an idiot.

  The guy had these animals for at least 10 years, so that means the entire four years Strickland was in office he did absolutely nothing to prevent this from happening.
  
  It's dumb to try to make this the fault of one political party.
• FatHobbit

  

  Bigdogg;940646 wrote:The Humane Society of the United States collected enough signatures to put a measure on the ballot that would outline minimum standards to be set that the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board (created by a 2009 Ohio Farm Bureau sponsored ballot initiative). Governor Strickland, representative of the HSUS and of the Ohio farming community sat down and came up with a compromise that involved major improvements in Ohio's laws regarding he abuse of animals in exchange for not putting the initiative on the ballot and these included the exotic pet bans.

  Does anyone know what ever happened to the livestock care standards board?
• majorspark

  

  FatHobbit;940870 wrote:The guy had these animals for at least 10 years, so that means the entire four years Strickland was in office he did absolutely nothing to prevent this from happening.
  
  It's dumb to try to make this the fault of one political party.

  Biggdogg just can't help himself. He is butt hurt that his man Strickland didn't get reelected. So he has a hate on for Kasich. He has been dropping his dogshit all over the place.
• Heretic

  

  Bigdogg;940864 wrote:Strickland was the Governor for four years. In the history of Ohio, any kind exotic pet legislation has never even had a committee hearing. Now your are also an idiot.

  
• xKoToVxSyNdRoMe

  

  Bigdogg;940864 wrote:Strickland was the Governor for four years. In the history of Ohio, any kind exotic pet legislation has never even had a committee hearing. Now your are also an idiot.

  LOL! Ironic statement is ironic.
• queencitybuckeye

  Bigdogg;940646 wrote: 1.The Humane Society of the United States collected enough signatures to put a measure on the ballot that would outline minimum standards to be set that the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board (created by a 2009 Ohio Farm Bureau sponsored ballot initiative). Governor Strickland, representative of the HSUS and of the Ohio farming community sat down and came up with a compromise that involved major improvements in Ohio's laws regarding he abuse of animals in exchange for not putting the initiative on the ballot and these included the exotic pet bans.
  

  You do know that the HSUS is roughly the animal equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church, so your bud Strickland was in effect meeting with Fred Phelps to come up with state law. Oh, I forgot, you attended a 10th-rate shithole school, so you know absolutely nothing.
• ts1227

  

  Either way, Kasich did announce he's at least putting an end to auctions for now, and to more aggressively enforce what is there.
  http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/21/kasich-executive-order-exotic-animals.html
  
  
  Let's move any talk about the political aspect to the proper forum from this point forward
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^^ding ding ding. Pi$$es me off trying to make this a political issue anyway. In a state with a huge budget deficit,and trying to come out of a recession, I can't imagine a sitting governor spending large amounts of time on exotic animal legislation. It would be the medical equivalent of a doctor worrying about a hangnail while his patient is dying of cancer.
• Mulva

  

  HitsRus;941091 wrote:It would be the medical equivalent of a doctor worrying about a hangnail while his patient is dying of cancer.

  Until the hangnail gets infected and gangrenous and the finger has to be amputated. Then people wonder "why didn't the doctor just treat that? It would have been simple enough to do".
  
  I don't care about the political side of it one way or another, I just wanted to complete the analogy.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^+1 Thank you.
  
  It is a question of allocation of resources and how to spend time. All of us have to make these kind of decisions every day.
• Bigdogg

  HitsRus;941091 wrote:^^^^ding ding ding. Pi$$es me off trying to make this a political issue anyway. In a state with a huge budget deficit,and trying to come out of a recession, I can't imagine a sitting governor spending large amounts of time on exotic animal legislation. It would be the medical equivalent of a doctor worrying about a hangnail while his patient is dying of cancer.

  What like the hartbeat bill? Yes he has lots of important things to do lol!
• RIP.Soroka.89

  

  Anyone else think of this when they heard about what was going on?
  
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