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Argument I just got in re: Food Stamps

  • majorspark
    FatHobbit;872280 wrote:Hmmm seems like we're already paying them, why don't we put the welfare recipients to work checking out other people?
    Fox guarding the hen house. But a minimum number of hours for community service for all able bodied individuals each month should be required to get a check.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    FatHobbit;872280 wrote:Hmmm seems like we're already paying them, why don't we put the welfare recipients to work checking out other people?

    Because then the welfare wouldn't be free, and we all know how people don't want to have to work. They just want to sit back and COLLECT.
  • FatHobbit
    majorspark;872287 wrote:Fox guarding the hen house. But a minimum number of hours for community service for all able bodied individuals each month should be required to get a check.

    I agree with the fox guarding the hen house, but I believe there are some honest people who get food stamps/collect welfare. It would cost us nothing as we are already paying them.

    I'm also perfectly fine with some community service.
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872292 wrote:Because then the welfare wouldn't be free, and we all know how people don't want to have to work. They just want to sit back and COLLECT.
    It's not about what they want :)
  • bigkahuna
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872277 wrote:Idk if the government really has the time to scope out and personally visit the 46M people on welfare and see how much money their respective households are br9inging in, and then determine whether or not that person should be receiving aid.

    I see your point and agree with it. My point is that if you're going to get a government check, then you should have to get completely checked out.

    Anything to weed out those who don't actually need it.
  • Heretic
    Skyhook79;872275 wrote:Because of Matthew 25:34-40?

    This is a real world discussion. Not fantasy-land.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    Heretic;872320 wrote:This is a real world discussion. Not fantasy-land.

    This.
  • GoChiefs
    Crimson streak;871511 wrote:I'll admit I had food stamps for about six months when my gf was pregnant. At the time I just moved to pa and was having trouble finding a job and she lost her job. He'll I worked at taco bell for 6 months till I could find something better. My checks barely covered rent, car payment, insurance, cell phone. I ended up getting a better job through a help from a friend and soon as I got a job we dropped the food stamps. I was always raised to not live off the state and do things yourself. But he'll everything worked out I'm 21 and have a nice well paying job, and so does my fiancé.

    I mean, you're struggling, and on food stamps...but still had a cell phone? :confused:
  • Skyhook79
    Heretic;872320 wrote:This is a real world discussion. Not fantasy-land.

    You mean the "real world" where the same people (not all) who complain about Food Stamps and food stamp fraud cheat on their taxes, call in sick to work when they really aren't sick,work on a "cash basis" on the side or full time to avoid paying taxes and draw unemployment at the same time etc,etc,etc...??
  • Belly35
    Perfect example of what is wrong with entitlements:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/24/woman-allegedly-arranged-sex-between-husband-and-child-to-claim-more-benefits/?test=latestnews
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    GoChiefs;872339 wrote:I mean, you're struggling, and on food stamps...but still had a cell phone? :confused:

    This is my point. Too many people are on food stamps that shouldn't be. Cell phone... and food stamps? Really? Also, just because "everyone has a cell phone" or "everyone has a flat screen TV" doesn't mean those on food stamps should too.
  • Skyhook79
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872390 wrote:This is my point. Too many people are on food stamps that shouldn't be. Cell phone... and food stamps? Really? Also, just because "everyone has a cell phone" or "everyone has a flat screen TV" doesn't mean those on food stamps should too.
    What exactly would be acceptable to you for someone getting Food Stamps be allowed to have? Should families who qualify for Pell Grants for College be allowed to have a cell phone?
  • jmog
    Crimson streak;871511 wrote:I'll admit I had food stamps for about six months when my gf was pregnant. At the time I just moved to pa and was having trouble finding a job and she lost her job. He'll I worked at taco bell for 6 months till I could find something better. My checks barely covered rent, car payment, insurance, cell phone. I ended up getting a better job through a help from a friend and soon as I got a job we dropped the food stamps. I was always raised to not live off the state and do things yourself. But he'll everything worked out I'm 21 and have a nice well paying job, and so does my fiancé.

    I believe EVERYONE, no matter how conservative, are ok and happy for these types of stories. Heck, when I was laid off from my first job out of college and went back to school to get my Masters, I had a wife and 2 kids, we definitely got food stamps for about 1 year until I found another job (finished the MS part time after).


    I have been on food stamps, it sucks balls to be on it after working as an engineer for a few years. However, we did what we had to do to eat at that time and got off the system the day I started my new job. I told my wife to go down there and tell them I got a good paying job and we didn't need it anymore. You know the lady tried to talk my wife into not "filling out the paperwork" and just take it until THEY notice we didn't need it anymore?
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    Skyhook79;872421 wrote:What exactly would be acceptable to you for someone getting Food Stamps be allowed to have? Should families who qualify for Pell Grants for College be allowed to have a cell phone?

    Food stamps are for sustainability. Grant for college tuition are not for sustainability, but for intellectual improvement/development. Apples to oranges.
  • Sonofanump
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872390 wrote:This is my point. Too many people are on food stamps that shouldn't be. Cell phone... and food stamps? Really? Also, just because "everyone has a cell phone" or "everyone has a flat screen TV" doesn't mean those on food stamps should too.

    I would not be stunned if the percentage of those on food stamps 95% have a cell phone, 50% have flat screen TVs and the percentage who are on food stamps but buy liquor or tobacco would be sickening.
  • gport_tennis
    I don't have a problem with people on food stamps having a cell phone. Cell phones are a necessity in this day and age. When I was unemployed and filling out applications, I got a call during the day for an interview but had to be there by a certain time. If I had no cell phone I wouldn't have gotten the job.


    Now not everyone needs a smartphone....

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  • majorspark
    The feds got you cell phone needs coverd too.

    http://www.fortliberty.org/the-gover...ng-for-it.html
  • FatHobbit
    gport_tennis;872518 wrote:I don't have a problem with people on food stamps having a cell phone. Cell phones are a necessity in this day and age. When I was unemployed and filling out applications, I got a call during the day for an interview but had to be there by a certain time. If I had no cell phone I wouldn't have gotten the job.


    Now not everyone needs a smartphone....

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    What if they use their smartphone to look for jobs on the internet?
  • ts1227
    Yeah, people in poverty have always scraped the money together to have basic telephone access since it is pretty vital if you ever want to land a job. You just never outwardly saw it because it was a land line. But since land lines are dying off, it is more cost effective to get a cheap cell phone on a regional plan.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    Sonofanump;872488 wrote:I would not be stunned if the percentage of those on food stamps 95% have a cell phone, 50% have flat screen TVs and the percentage who are on food stamps but buy liquor or tobacco would be sickening.

    This.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    gport_tennis;872518 wrote:I don't have a problem with people on food stamps having a cell phone. Cell phones are a necessity in this day and age. When I was unemployed and filling out applications, I got a call during the day for an interview but had to be there by a certain time. If I had no cell phone I wouldn't have gotten the job.


    Now not everyone needs a smartphone....

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    #Fail.

    Please explain to me how cell phones are a necessity for life. Sure they can easily augment one's life, but they are far from a necessity.

    It's called stay at home and wait for the damn phone to ring.
  • FatHobbit
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872575 wrote:#Fail.

    Please explain to me how cell phones are a necessity for life. Sure they can easily augment one's life, but they are far from a necessity.

    It's called stay at home and wait for the damn phone to ring.

    I have no home phone or internet. Only my cell phone. It's cheaper that way.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    FatHobbit;872580 wrote:I have no home phone or internet. Only my cell phone. It's cheaper that way.

    Okay... now explain to me how a land phone/line is a necessity for life? It's not either.
  • rydawg5
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872584 wrote:Okay... now explain to me how a land phone/line is a necessity for life? It's not either.

    True, it's not a necessity. Regardless, communication with a phone is pretty standard in American living, and if someone couldn't afford food and a phone, I would think they'd qualify for food stamps.
  • ts1227
    Scarlet_Buckeye;872584 wrote:Okay... now explain to me how a land phone/line is a necessity for life? It's not either.
    Name one employer in this day and age that conducts the entire job application process, from mailing in the app, to interview scheduling, to anything else, exclusively by the mail.

    If you want the people to get a job and get off of food stamps, they need more than a mailbox. Thus, they get a cheap phone line (most likely a regional cell phone plan here in 2011).
  • rydawg5
    ts1227;872592 wrote:Name one employer in this day and age that conducts the entire job application process, from mailing in the app, to interview scheduling, to anything else, exclusively by the mail.

    If you want the people to get a job, they need more than a mailbox. Thus, a cheap phone line (most likely a regional dell phone here in 2011).


    That's what the Christian Conservatives want though. You know, WWJD - Hunger, no compassion, no health care, sink or swim, no mercy.