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Hitler or Osama?

  • lhslep134
    Pick6;758126 wrote: In fact, the bombing is the main reason we joined WWII.

    I disagree. The Axis Powers taking over the world was the main reason we joined WWII, but Japan bombing us gave us the justification we needed to finally declare war.

    Franz Ferdinand's assassination wasn't the reason World War I started but it was the justifiable reason to start it.
  • Pick6
    Japan attacks us, we declare war on THEM, not Germany or Italy. Days later, Germany and Italy declare war on us, so we declare back on them the same day.
  • Pick6
    dwccrew;758134 wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree. But I think we can all agree that both men were great threats to the US and the world is much better off that both of these men are dead.

    will agree to that.
  • coyotes22
    dwccrew;758117 wrote:I equate greater enemy to greater threat. Hitler was a much greater threat during WW2 than Osama has ever been; just because we weren't alive to experience it and we are alive to experience the threat of Osama doesn't make Osama the greater threat.

    Many of the things you said (creation of P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and spending money on Iraq war) were not because of Osama, it was because of fear mongering politicians that used Osama as an excuse. Iraq has nothing to do with Osama, so I don't see how that can be factored in to the damage that Osama has inflicted on this nation. The PA was a means to monitor US citizens that certain members of the government have want to implement and when 9-11 happened it was the perfect opporttunity to pass it. You think they really wdrafted that legislation in a few days after 9-11 or do you think it was already sitting on someone's desk before that?

    Surprised it took you that long to bring this up. ok.
  • Fly4Fun
    dwccrew;758117 wrote:I equate greater enemy to greater threat. Hitler was a much greater threat during WW2 than Osama has ever been; just because we weren't alive to experience it and we are alive to experience the threat of Osama doesn't make Osama the greater threat.

    Many of the things you said (creation of P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and spending money on Iraq war) were not because of Osama, it was because of fear mongering politicians that used Osama as an excuse. Iraq has nothing to do with Osama, so I don't see how that can be factored in to the damage that Osama has inflicted on this nation. The PA was a means to monitor US citizens that certain members of the government have want to implement and when 9-11 happened it was the perfect opporttunity to pass it. You think they really wdrafted that legislation in a few days after 9-11 or do you think it was already sitting on someone's desk before that?

    Dwccrew's posts have been pretty much spot on here.

    Here's an analogy of some sorts.

    Suppose there is an irritated wasp nest and one has already stung you (can sting more than once) and a man with a gun and you just slept with your wife. Who is the greater enemy? I'd say the man with the gun. He's more of a threat than a freaking wasp.

    Osama/AQ, and angry nuisance that while did make one act that was awful... didn't have enough power (men and weapons/technology) to really do heavy damage. While the Nazi regime and the USSR (throwing this in as it fits, a great threat but never really did anything on US soil besides espionage) were close to equals and had potential to inflict a hell of a lot more damage than Osama could. Osama didn't even run a country, just a band of crazy radicals.
  • Pick6
    I dont think anybody is denying that Hitler had to the potential to inflict a hell of a lot more damage than he did, but he didnt. Osama may have only had a band of crazy radicals, but he still conducted the largest attack on American soil in history. We dont go to war for 10 years looking for a nuisance.
  • 2quik4u
    lhslep134;758135 wrote:I disagree. The Axis Powers taking over the world was the main reason we joined WWII, but Japan bombing us gave us the justification we needed to finally declare war.

    Franz Ferdinand's assassination wasn't the reason World War I started but it was the justifiable reason to start it.

    that was never going to happen
  • sleeper
    dwccrew;758121 wrote:Other than that, I have said my thoughts on the subject and it seems the majority agree according to the poll. Otherwise I suppose it is subjective.

    We must have a lot of Jews on this forum.
  • sleeper
    dwccrew;758117 wrote: Many of the things you said (creation of P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and spending money on Iraq war) were not because of Osama, it was because of fear mongering politicians that used Osama as an excuse. Iraq has nothing to do with Osama, so I don't see how that can be factored in to the damage that Osama has inflicted on this nation. The PA was a means to monitor US citizens that certain members of the government have want to implement and when 9-11 happened it was the perfect opporttunity to pass it. You think they really wdrafted that legislation in a few days after 9-11 or do you think it was already sitting on someone's desk before that?
    Bullshit. The Iraq war was part of the "War on Terror", if Osama and 9/11 never happened we wouldn't be there, period.
  • se-alum
    Fly4Fun;758180 wrote:Dwccrew's posts have been pretty much spot on here.

    Here's an analogy of some sorts.

    Suppose there is an irritated wasp nest and one has already stung you (can sting more than once) and a man with a gun and you just slept with your wife. Who is the greater enemy? I'd say the man with the gun. He's more of a threat than a freaking wasp.

    Osama/AQ, and angry nuisance that while did make one act that was awful... didn't have enough power (men and weapons/technology) to really do heavy damage. While the Nazi regime and the USSR (throwing this in as it fits, a great threat but never really did anything on US soil besides espionage) were close to equals and had potential to inflict a hell of a lot more damage than Osama could. Osama didn't even run a country, just a band of crazy radicals.

    Reality > Potential. Also, a rag tag band of militants can turn into a powerful entity if given the opportunity(see Revoloutionary War).
  • lhslep134
    2quik4u;758190 wrote:that was never going to happen

    If Germany develops the atomic bomb before we do, who knows. You can't use the word never.
  • sleeper
    lhslep134;758218 wrote:If Germany develops the atomic bomb before we do, who knows. You can't use the word never.

    Is this seriously the line of logic you want to go down? "If"? They didn't, period.
  • lhslep134
    sleeper;758221 wrote:Is this seriously the line of logic you want to go down? "If"? They didn't, period.

    I wasn't using it as justification for my opinion. I'm offering a hypothetical situation that was actually conceivable, therefore it is impossible to say it would never happen.
  • sleeper
    lhslep134;758228 wrote:I wasn't using it as justification for my opinion. I'm offering a hypothetical situation that was actually conceivable, therefore it is impossible to say it would never happen.

    So I can hypothetically say "If Osama set of a thousand nukes if the USA's biggest cities killing 290 million people, then he'd easily be the bigger threat". It's impossible to say it would never happen! I win.
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    WHY DO YOU FOOLS GIVE THIS MONKEY THE TIME OF DAY?!?! It is unbelievable the sheer number of people on this site who haven't figured out IT is nothing but a TROLL!
  • sleeper
    Scarlet_Buckeye;758235 wrote:WHY DO YOU FOOLS GIVE THIS MONKEY THE TIME OF DAY?!?! It is unbelievable the sheer number of people on this site who haven't figured out IT is nothing but a TROLL!

    Get a life.
  • Fly4Fun
    se-alum;758209 wrote:Reality > Potential. Also, a rag tag band of militants can turn into a powerful entity if given the opportunity(see Revoloutionary War).

    The threat of Germany and the threat of the USSR were most definitely real.

    And as to the fact that sleeper is a troll. Yes we all know that, but there are obviously some people that actually believe some of the things Sleeper says. And sleeper himself might sometimes believe what he says.

    Also,
    American revolutionaries =/= AQ. AQ is a violent extremist group that does not accurately represent most Muslims. I would be ashamed to equate the two.
  • Jawbreaker
    Germany's air ministry as early as 1938 were developing plans to bomb the US. In the end, the advancement of the Allies prevented this from happening.
  • 2quik4u
    Jawbreaker;758271 wrote:Germany's air ministry as early as 1938 were developing plans to bomb the US. In the end, the advancement of the Allies prevented this from happening.

    with what aircraft carriers?
  • FatHobbit
    2quik4u;758351 wrote:with what aircraft carriers?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
  • gut
    OK, another question...

    Bigger govt conspiracy: Letting Japan bomb Pearl Harbor, or fixing 9/11 and blaming Bin Laden?

    Bad joke perhaps, and I apologize. I just find it interesting that the two worst/most devastating attacks on US soil both have their share of conspiracy loons.
  • Frothy Walrus
    We chose to get involved with Germany and Adolph Hitler.

    We did not choose to get attacked by the terrorist Osama bin Laden.

    So for that reason alone, I can understand why people are saying bin Laden.

    My opinion, they were both assholes....and both died before their time was up. In the long term, Hitler was probably the bigger asshole to the US.
  • Sonofanump
    I'd argue that Tojo was a greater enemy to the US than both options.
  • 2quik4u

    would never have worked they couldn't afford it
  • Jester
    Frothy Walrus;758445 wrote:We chose to get involved with Germany and Adolph Hitler.

    We did not choose to get attacked by the terrorist Osama bin Laden.

    So for that reason alone, I can understand why people are saying bin Laden.

    My opinion, they were both assholes....and both died before their time was up. In the long term, Hitler was probably the bigger asshole to the US.
    The U.S. only got involved after the surprise attacks on Pearl Harbor and Germany's declaration of war against the United States a few day later. I wouldn't say we had much of a choice.