Hitler or Osama?

• sleeper

  

  Which of these was a greater enemy to the USA?
  
  Pole.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Hitler, easily....convinced his axis cohorts to attack the U.S. and would have controlled the modern world at the time if successful, which would have preempted the U.S.'s rise to an economic power. Bin Laden was a terrorist who spent his time in hiding (whether it was a cave or mansion). I don't think there are too many cable tv channels (cough, the History Channel) that will be as devoted to Bin laden as they are to Hitler's reign. Hitler did it in the open, at a time before modern tv or the internet.
• dwccrew

  

  Hitler was far far worse in terms of the stretch and reach of his evil. Both men were evil and I won't debate which one was more evil, it's hard to distinguish; however, Hitler's evil caused the direct deaths of over 12 million in concentration camps, a world war, Europe in shambles and it took Germany until the 1980's to fully rebuild and rebound from Hitler's reign and the destruction caused in Germany.
  
  Hitler had an efficient and effective military. Osama had a rag tag group of untrained and unorganized soldiers. I don't think it is a good comparison.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Which of these was a greater enemy to the USA?
  
  Pole. "
  
  BTW, was this a TIC spelling error?
• Hb31187

  

  Hitler....its not even really up for debate even
• Midstate01

  

  Hitler by far.
• sleeper

  

  Did Hitler ever kill 3000 innocent Americans?
• Hb31187

  

  Killed PLENNNNTY of americans on dday alone.
  
  And was also a legitimate threat to take over the world, Osama was just a pain in the ass terrorist
• dwccrew

  

  sleeper;757917 wrote:Did Hitler ever kill 3000 innocent Americans?

  
  Killed far more than that.
• sleeper

  

  dwccrew;757921 wrote:Killed far more than that.

  
  Innocent Americans? No he didn't.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I'd like to think that my grandfather that was drafted into the US Army was pretty innocent, he didn't ask for it.
  
  If the question was who killed more American civilians, why not make that the poll (pole)? You asked for the bigger enemy, I'd say between (i) someone that nearly caused the destruction of western civilization and whose efforts led to the U.S. in a battle of 5 years with the drafting all available men and shifting nearly all manufacturing to military uses, and (ii) a flea on the back of a wolf that caused a sting that hurt, but within a week the affected area was back in operation, with subways working, airlines up, stock markets at regular hours and people getting by, I don't see how anyone but an imbecile would not see the difference.
• cbus4life

  Hitler. My reason...what Manhattan Buckeye said.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Hitler. Anyone who picks Osama either lost someone in the war or doesn't know what they're talking about.
• Con_Alma

  Hitler makes Osama look like a little kid on the playground throwing a tantrum.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Con_Alma;757952 wrote:Hitler makes Osama look like a little kid in a sandbox throwing a tantrum.

  Fix'd for accuracy.
• Con_Alma

  Hahaha. That's about right.
• Sonofanump

  Directly a thread to the USA; Osama. To the world as a whole; Hitler. As far as I can recall, no German solider, bullet or bomb entered US territory. The US went to Europe to fight, we did not defend our territory but to Japan, and that was on Pacific island territories. Hitler was a much worse person, but the question asked was enemy to the USA.
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;757922 wrote:Innocent Americans? No he didn't.

  
  He killed 6 million innocent Jews one of which being my grandfathers brother so seriously go fuck yourself.
• Sonofanump

  lhslep134;757983 wrote:He killed 6 million innocent Jews one of which being my grandfathers brother so seriously go fuck yourself.

  
  Sorry to hear that. Your grandfathers brother was an American Jew that was sent to a camp?
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;757922 wrote:Innocent Americans? No he didn't.

  
  I would consider Americans who were drafted to be innocent. There were close to 11,000,000 drafted, 310,000 killed in action I'd have to imagine more then 3,000 of them were draftees.
  
  So even in your fucked up twisted world the answer is still Hitler because he was the cause of World War II, and thus the cause of the loss of innocent draftee life.
  
  Of course if you don't consider those drafted to be innocent then technically Osama killed more innocent Americans, but that still doesn't make him the greater enemy. Had Hitler developed the atomic bomb first, we'd all be under German rule.
• lhslep134

  

  Sonofanump;757984 wrote:Sorry to hear that. Your grandfathers brother was an American Jew that was sent to a camp?

  
  I deleted the post because it wasn't relevant to this thread, but my grandfather moved to America with some of his family in 1935 (to start a new life) out of Poland but the rest of his family stayed back and that is where they were taken prisoner (Majdanek concentration camp).
• ksig489

  Sonofanump;757982 wrote:Directly a thread to the USA; Osama. To the world as a whole; Hitler. As far as I can recall, no German solider, bullet or bomb entered US territory. The US went to Europe to fight, we did not defend our territory but to Japan, and that was on Pacific island territories. Hitler was a much worse person, but the question asked was enemy to the USA.

  
  ^this
• lhslep134

  

  Sonofanump;757984 wrote:Sorry to hear that. Your grandfathers brother was an American Jew that was sent to a camp?

  
  Deleted my post. Don't want to talk about it. Don't want to get pissed off over a thread on the interwebz.
• Sonofanump

  Tobias Fünke;757938 wrote:Hitler. Anyone who picks Osama either lost someone in the war or doesn't know what they're talking about.

  
  I picked Osama, did not lose anyone in the war. Since my minor was history and most of the classes I took pertained to the 20th century, I guess my professors failed me since your the knowall.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  ^
  
  German U-boats didn't enter the gulf or the Atlantic coast? I suppose it depends on where you set the U.S. border. But I still think the line of thinking is senseless, citing "direct" vs. "indirect" casualties is simply splitting hairs. I can't believe anyone would even begin to compare the two...on a global or American level. The U.S. wouldn't even exist right now in its current state if we didn't intervene in WWII.