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Multiculturalism not working … or is Islamism the problem

  • Thread Bomber
    And you are still an arrogant twat.
  • Pick6
    jmog;734464 wrote:Not true, Muslims believe Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet from God (Allah) they do NOT believe IN Jesus, there is a huge difference. Believing IN Jesus is insinuating that one believes Jesus was the Son of God, the Jewish Messiah. Muslims do NOT believe this and count it as heresy.

    Dont put words into my mouth. I said that they believe in Jesus. They recognize him at the Messiah, a messenger or prophet of God. Mohammad is viewed no more holy than Jesus by Muslims. I never said they viewed Jesus as = to God or the son of God.
  • jmog
    Pick6;734477 wrote:Dont put words into my mouth. I said that they believe in Jesus. They recognize him at the Messiah, a messenger or prophet of God. Mohammad is viewed no more holy than Jesus by Muslims. I never said they viewed Jesus as = to God or the son of God.

    You're incorrect on them believing Jesus was the Jewish Messiah or even "the" Messiah from God. They do believe he was a prophet from God, but not a Messiah from God.
  • jmog
    Thread Bomber;734472 wrote:And you are still an arrogant twat.

    Arrogant? Debatable
    Correct? Yes.

    You are the one that said it was noble to kill for one's faith.
  • Thread Bomber
    jmog;734587 wrote:Arrogant? Debatable
    Correct? Yes.

    You are the one that said it was noble to kill for one's faith.
    You obviously cannot read. LOOK AGAIN, I never said that.

    You are an illiterate arrogant twat,
  • I Wear Pants
    jmog;734459 wrote:Problem is he goes to jail for murder, and rightly so. He doesn't "get off" because you started it with insults.
    Who's "getting off" in Afghanistan? Aren't we actively killing people there who attack us?
  • CenterBHSFan
    I Wear Pants;734233 wrote:Center, that's a pretty rational view.
    Pants, ALL of my views are rational! ;)
  • I Wear Pants
    CenterBHSFan;734854 wrote:Pants, ALL of my views are rational! ;)
    Haha, I didn't mean to imply that it was a surprise. I was saying that there are many who don't think rationally about the subject and as such would reject the view.

    I wouldn't say all your views.. Sex ed, that is all. :)
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Belly35;734196 wrote:Obama envoy: Islam is the Solution not the Problem


    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/obama_envoy_islam_is_the_solut.html

    Kind of a duh statement really. Of course it is the solution to the problem.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    jmog;734586 wrote:You're incorrect on them believing Jesus was the Jewish Messiah or even "the" Messiah from God. They do believe he was a prophet from God, but not a Messiah from God.

    Yeah they believe Jesus was just like Moses, Noah, John, Job, Joseph, etc.
    They just differ on the whole Messiah thing because Muslims generally believe God is too powerful to simply send down the "son" of God.
    Jesus is important, but just one prophet in the family of prophets.

    To Muslims it is more important to focus on God itself rather than the "son" or one prophet. All the time and attention is toward moving toward God. Muslims also really think the Trinity is borderline polytheism. (At least some of the ones I've talked to over the years.)
  • I Wear Pants
    jmog;731345 wrote:So are you justifying the riots because of a burnt holy book?
    No, but ignoring the cause of something doesn't help either. Just because the riots were very wrong doesn't mean the burning wasn't also wrong.
  • jmog
    ptown_trojans_1;735013 wrote:Yeah they believe Jesus was just like Moses, Noah, John, Job, Joseph, etc.
    They just differ on the whole Messiah thing because Muslims generally believe God is too powerful to simply send down the "son" of God.
    Jesus is important, but just one prophet in the family of prophets.

    To Muslims it is more important to focus on God itself rather than the "son" or one prophet. All the time and attention is toward moving toward God. Muslims also really think the Trinity is borderline polytheism. (At least some of the ones I've talked to over the years.)
    Yes, the trinity is Islam's biggest issue with Christianity, they believe it is polytheism.

    I do believe its hilarious that all 3 major religions, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all claim to follow the God of Abraham, but we obviously "fight" over whose interpretation of that same God is correct.
  • jmog
    I Wear Pants;735198 wrote:No, but ignoring the cause of something doesn't help either. Just because the riots were very wrong doesn't mean the burning wasn't also wrong.

    Oh I agree 100% that burning the book was wrong.
  • jmog
    Thread Bomber;732221 wrote:Fuck you you arrogant twat.


    In fact, these Radical Muslims are by far more noble than the likes of you. They are willing to die for what they believe in, You are only willing to post your diatribe on a serious business forum anonymously.

    End rant.

    What am I misquoting here? Because this looks exactly like you are saying the radical muslims who are out killing for their faith are more noble than me due to their willingness to die for their faith. The difference is that I am willing to die for my faith, but I'm not willing to KILL for my faith.
  • Thread Bomber
    jmog;734587 wrote:Arrogant? Debatable
    Correct? Yes.

    You are the one that said it was noble to kill for one's faith.

    That is what you wrote twat boy......I never said that it was noble to kill for one's faith, But I did say that they were more noble than your arrogant ass.


    And I never said that they were dumber than you. I said that they were less educated. I am starting to rethink that last statement though....
  • jmog
    Thread Bomber;735748 wrote:That is what you wrote twat boy......I never said that it was noble to kill for one's faith, But I did say that they were more noble than your arrogant ass.


    And I never said that they were dumber than you. I said that they were less educated. I am starting to rethink that last statement though....
    Do you even believe what you say? Or maybe you don't understand what you are saying.

    You said they are more noble because they are willing to die for their faith. Well since the way the radical Muslims die for their faith is by killing others in a suicide mission the logical progression is that you are saying they are more noble than me because they kill for their faith.

    This isn't rocket science just simple logic combined with a general understanding of the English language.
  • Thread Bomber
    jmog;736255 wrote:Do you even believe what you say? Or maybe you don't understand what you are saying.

    You said they are more noble because they are willing to die for their faith. Well since the way the radical Muslims die for their faith is by killing others in a suicide mission the logical progression is that you are saying they are more noble than me because they kill for their faith.

    This isn't rocket science just simple logic combined with a general understanding of the English language.
    I know exactly what I was saying. And you are finally getting close to reading what I posted. I never said anything about a suicide mission twat boy. Take your logical assumptions and shove them back under your self appointed theological temple where you came from.

    But if you insist on taking logical assumptions, I find it very hard to believe that you still haven't digested the first post that started this little colloquy. And that was a comparison of the Koran to some saucier verses in the Bible. BOTH CAN BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT BY ANYONEONE FOR BASICALLY ANY CONTEXT THEY WANT TO TAKE.
  • O-Trap
    Muslims MUST be the problem! ;)

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  • I Wear Pants
    O-Trap, that's obviously fake. Muslims are evil and trying to overtake us so they can kill us all.
  • O-Trap
    I Wear Pants;736466 wrote:O-Trap, that's obviously fake. Muslims are evil and trying to overtake us so they can kill us all.

    I'm waiting for the people who become suspicious because the Muslim store owner had a rifle behind the counter. ;)
  • I Wear Pants
    I'm waiting for the "they're only pretending to be normal, good people to lull us into complacency so they can spring their trap".

    What's depressing is I've actually heard people say that before and mean it.
  • OSH
    My guess, it wasn't a rifle. I hope it wasn't.

    Unless it was an automatic one.

    A shotgun would probably be better to have behind the counter.
  • Belly35
    Malaysia used to be a model nation in attitudes displayed toward non-Muslims - including Chinese and Indian workers, as well as Christians. It was a decidedly secular nation, along with Indonesia, the least radicalized Muslim countries in Asia. ..... And now things are changing.....

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/rising_anger_by_christians_ove.html
  • dwccrew
    Belly35;737947 wrote:Malaysia used to be a model nation in attitudes displayed toward non-Muslims - including Chinese and Indian workers, as well as Christians. It was a decidedly secular nation, along with Indonesia, the least radicalized Muslim countries in Asia. ..... And now things are changing.....

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/rising_anger_by_christians_ove.html

    Belly- you really need to get your information from more than one or two websites that are obviously biased.
  • Belly35
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/bill-maher-on-koran-burning/