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jmog

Just curious, is that your opinion or is that from some commonly used ranking? Just wondering if its fact or opinion.

I'm guessing the Univ of Akron is one of the "dogshit"? lol, we got polymer and chemical engineering down, other than that...

queencitybuckeye

jmog wrote: Just curious, is that your opinion or is that from some commonly used ranking? Just wondering if its fact or opinion.

I'm guessing the Univ of Akron is one of the "dogshit"? lol, we got polymer and chemical engineering down, other than that...

U.S. News 2009 rankings:

Michigan - 13
tOSU - 26
Notre Dame - 33
Illinois - 38
Penn State - 40
CWRU and Akron - not in top 50.

OUgrad

darbypitcher22 wrote: I think they could.

A girl could get through any major without the help of a guy, all depends on what kind of integrity and work ethic they have

^^^^This.

jmog wrote: 1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.

2. It went sort of that way in engineering too, any attractive girl (weren't many in engineering, trust me) got "preferential" treatment from most of the other male students when it came to help, etc. I mean, engineering is probably only 2nd to physics when it comes to percentage of "nerds" in the discipline, and you put an attractive girl in the class and they can get whoever they want to do "help" with their homework.

Edit: I am not insinuating that the women couldn't pass engineering that got help, just saying they got help.

^^^^Yep.

jmog wrote:
sleeper wrote:
1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.
LOL at the engineering folks coming in here bashing business. Who makes all the money in the world? It's not engineers, its people involved in business. I'm not going to sit here and say the material is harder because I've never taken a lick of engineering, just as you've probably only taken entry level business courses at best, but you can have your mythical superior degree while I'm rolling in CASH MONEY.
1. What I stated is fact, most people who dropped out of engineering and went to business graduated with 3.5+ GPAs. They couldn't hack Cs and Ds in engineering, but got As and Bs in business.

2. Every engineer I know that went back to school for a MBA joked about how the master's level business classes were like taking sophomore level engineering classes.

3. You don't know what business classes I've taken. With my 2nd degree in math I took a few senior level financial (accounting, stock market, etc) business classes, and they were pretty easy.

4. Look at starting salaries, business/finance/accounting average starting salary across the nation is around $45k. Engineering is around $56k and as high as $64k for chemical engineering. So while a business major, if they are lucky and amazing at their job may one day get promoted to high lvl management like CEOs, etc and make a ton more than engineers, the average business major never does. The average business major will, over a lifetime, make far less than the average engineer. That's a fact. The salary ceiling is higher for a business major, no doubt, but the statistical averages lies with engineering.

I'm not trying to be a prick, just stating facts. I took some junion/senior lvl business classes in my time and they were on par with freshman/sophomore lvl engineering classes at best difficulty wise.

Oh, and if you REALLY want to get into the "CASH MONEY" discussion, those with BS degrees in engineering and MBAs are the ones really making the money. (FYI, not me, I have a MS in engineering, work in research, don't want/never want to go the MBA route).

Many business students think they're gonna be another Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, but few ever attain that status.

sleeper

jmog wrote:
sleeper wrote:
1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.
LOL at the engineering folks coming in here bashing business. Who makes all the money in the world? It's not engineers, its people involved in business. I'm not going to sit here and say the material is harder because I've never taken a lick of engineering, just as you've probably only taken entry level business courses at best, but you can have your mythical superior degree while I'm rolling in CASH MONEY.
1. What I stated is fact, most people who dropped out of engineering and went to business graduated with 3.5+ GPAs. They couldn't hack Cs and Ds in engineering, but got As and Bs in business.

2. Every engineer I know that went back to school for a MBA joked about how the master's level business classes were like taking sophomore level engineering classes.

3. You don't know what business classes I've taken. With my 2nd degree in math I took a few senior level financial (accounting, stock market, etc) business classes, and they were pretty easy.

4. Look at starting salaries, business/finance/accounting average starting salary across the nation is around $45k. Engineering is around $56k and as high as $64k for chemical engineering. So while a business major, if they are lucky and amazing at their job may one day get promoted to high lvl management like CEOs, etc and make a ton more than engineers, the average business major never does. The average business major will, over a lifetime, make far less than the average engineer. That's a fact. The salary ceiling is higher for a business major, no doubt, but the statistical averages lies with engineering.

I'm not trying to be a prick, just stating facts. I took some junion/senior lvl business classes in my time and they were on par with freshman/sophomore lvl engineering classes at best difficulty wise.

Oh, and if you REALLY want to get into the "CASH MONEY" discussion, those with BS degrees in engineering and MBAs are the ones really making the money. (FYI, not me, I have a MS in engineering, work in research, don't want/never want to go the MBA route).

Really, well I know the exact opposite. A lot of people I know went from being engineers to business and completely flopped. They had straight A's in engineering, but could barely hack C's or D's in even the most basic level of business.

Isn't anecdotal evidence fun?

And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.

Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.
Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.

It can mean both noobshit.

Alas, the irony of your statement is in fact COMPANIES are people LOL

jmog

sleeper wrote:

Really, well I know the exact opposite. A lot of people I know went from being engineers to business and completely flopped. They had straight A's in engineering, but could barely hack C's or D's in even the most basic level of business.

Isn't anecdotal evidence fun?

And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.

Problem is, my anecdotal evidence is commonplace, your's might be made up.

http://degreedirectory.org/articles/What_are_the_Most_Difficult_College_Majors.html

http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/12912/education++history/top+10+most+difficult+college+degrees.aspx

I don't see business on either the undergrad or graduate list there.

Edit: The funny thing about those "lists", is a chemical engineer (depending on school) majors in chem e (obviously), picks up a minor in chemistry (always), is only 1 class from a minor in math, and is only 2 classes from a minor in physics, and depending on their speciality is only a couple classes from a minor in either biology, polymer science, or something else.

All minors that all appear on those toughest major lists. I don't see business, finance, accounting, economics, etc on those lists.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.
Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.
It can mean both noobshit.

Alas, the irony of your statement is in fact COMPANIES are people LOL

No, Fortune 500 is made of companies, not individuals. It doesn't mean both "noobshit". I'm surprised OSU would take someone as dumb as you.. or are you at a branch? Companies are made up of people from all walks of life.. not just businessmen.

sleeper

LOL

Like I said, keep your mythical superior degree, I'll keep counting CASH MONEY STACKS $$$$

Pick6

queencitybuckeye wrote:
jmog wrote: Just curious, is that your opinion or is that from some commonly used ranking? Just wondering if its fact or opinion.

I'm guessing the Univ of Akron is one of the "dogshit"? lol, we got polymer and chemical engineering down, other than that...
U.S. News 2009 rankings:

Michigan - 13
tOSU - 26
Notre Dame - 33
Illinois - 38
Penn State - 40
CWRU and Akron - not in top 50.

Now I know Akron is mostly known for engineering..and im not sure about CWRU, but Akron is also a top 100 business school. There are thousands of schools in the U.S. The top 10% or less is pretty good to me. Just because they are not in the top 50 doesnt mean they are a dogshit school.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.
Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.
It can mean both noobshit.

Alas, the irony of your statement is in fact COMPANIES are people LOL
No, Fortune 500 is made of companies, not individuals. It doesn't mean both "noobshit". I'm surprised OSU would take someone as dumb as you.. or are you at a branch? Companies are made up of people from all walks of life.. not just businessmen.

Fortune released a list of the richest people in the world, it's also called the same thing, Fortune 50 usually.

And companies are entities, they are essentially people without voting rights. Stick to your golf and mythical superior degree, I'll stick to making BIG CASH MONEY STACKS $$$$

sleeper

Pick6 wrote:
queencitybuckeye wrote:
jmog wrote: Just curious, is that your opinion or is that from some commonly used ranking? Just wondering if its fact or opinion.

I'm guessing the Univ of Akron is one of the "dogshit"? lol, we got polymer and chemical engineering down, other than that...
U.S. News 2009 rankings:

Michigan - 13
tOSU - 26
Notre Dame - 33
Illinois - 38
Penn State - 40
CWRU and Akron - not in top 50.
Now I know Akron is mostly known for engineering..and im not sure about CWRU, but Akron is also a top 100 business school. There are thousands of schools in the U.S. The top 10% or less is pretty good to me. Just because they are not in the top 50 doesnt mean they are a dogshit school.

LOL top 100 business school? Really? Top 100?

ZWICK 4 PREZ

sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.
Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.
It can mean both noobshit.

Alas, the irony of your statement is in fact COMPANIES are people LOL
No, Fortune 500 is made of companies, not individuals. It doesn't mean both "noobshit". I'm surprised OSU would take someone as dumb as you.. or are you at a branch? Companies are made up of people from all walks of life.. not just businessmen.
Fortune released a list of the richest people in the world, it's also called the same thing, Fortune 50 usually.

And companies are entities, they are essentially people without voting rights. Stick to your golf and mythical superior degree, I'll stick to making BIG CASH MONEY STACKS $$$$

Forbes lists the richest people, I've never seen Fortunes. Either way, you specifically said "Fortune 500" which is the top 500 companies.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
sleeper wrote:
And seriously, starting salaries? Everyone knows engineers make more right out of school, but I don't see any engineers sitting pretty on the fortune 500 list.
Thats prolly b/c the Fortune 500 is made up of publicly traded companies (or private companies who release earnings) and not individuals.
It can mean both noobshit.

Alas, the irony of your statement is in fact COMPANIES are people LOL
No, Fortune 500 is made of companies, not individuals. It doesn't mean both "noobshit". I'm surprised OSU would take someone as dumb as you.. or are you at a branch? Companies are made up of people from all walks of life.. not just businessmen.
Fortune released a list of the richest people in the world, it's also called the same thing, Fortune 50 usually.

And companies are entities, they are essentially people without voting rights. Stick to your golf and mythical superior degree, I'll stick to making BIG CASH MONEY STACKS $$$$
Forbes lists the richest people, I've never seen Fortunes. Either way, you specifically said "Fortune 500" which is the top 500 companies.

Ah forbes, that was what I was thinking. Oops, I was too distracted counting my big CASH MONEY STACKS LOL. You understand right? Pile of money everywhere, clogging up your work space, money on the mind, mo money mo problems? You get it?

Wait, you're an engineer never mind LOL

Scarlet_Buckeye

Ladies, ladies, ladies... let's get this conversation back on track... can women get by without the aid/help of men?

Con_Alma

I believe Fortune lists the largest 500 companies based on gross revenue.

They also releases a separate list of the largest 500 private companies.

jmog

Lets take a look at the top say, 10 richest people in America.

1. Gates-computer science/math that didn't graduate from college and started Microsoft
2. Buffet-business major
3. Lawrence Ellison-math/physics major that learned computer programming in that curriculum and dropped out to start Oracle (the company)
4. Walton family (walmart)-Original owner was a business major
5. Michael Bloomberg-electrical engineering
6. Koch family-MIT chemical engineer (Charles) started the Koch company
7. Sergey Brin/Larry Page-google starters were computer science majors and dropped out to start google
8. Michael Dell-computer science/engineer that dropped out of college to start PC's Limited which later changed to Dell.

I think I actually listed more than 10 but kind of grouped those in the same family or starters of the same company together.

i see 2 business majors in the top 10, I see 2+ engineering majors (some schools have computer science in engineer, some have it lumped with math), I see 2+ math/physics majors, so lets not act like business degrees are dominating the richest people in America.

queencitybuckeye

Pick6 wrote: Now I know Akron is mostly known for engineering..and im not sure about CWRU, but Akron is also a top 100 business school. There are thousands of schools in the U.S. The top 10% or less is pretty good to me. Just because they are not in the top 50 doesnt mean they are a dogshit school.

Given current economic conditions, if one is paying their own way, I'd argue that an MBA from anything but a top tier school is likely not a great investment.

sleeper

I think the bottom line is essentially, do what you love and do it well, and you will make plenty of cash.

For I believe it was George Washington who said "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you".

UA5straightin2008

^^try JFK

jmog

sleeper wrote: I think the bottom line is essentially, do what you love and do it well, and you will make plenty of cash.

For I believe it was George Washington who said "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you".

You obviously didn't major in history

.

It was JFK that said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

I think its the Obama/Reid/Pelosi/socialist version as you said it "what your country can do for you..."

I do noticed however, that you quickly backed down from the "business majors rule the Forune 500" or whatever list though huh?

3reppom

sleeper wrote: I think the bottom line is essentially, do what you love and do it well, and you will make plenty of cash.

For I believe it was George Washington who said "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you".

I am not sure how anyone can fuck up the attribution of that quote. If you were a business major I think you might have manged to shoot your own credibility in this debate to hell

fan_from_texas

queencitybuckeye wrote:
Pick6 wrote: Now I know Akron is mostly known for engineering..and im not sure about CWRU, but Akron is also a top 100 business school. There are thousands of schools in the U.S. The top 10% or less is pretty good to me. Just because they are not in the top 50 doesnt mean they are a dogshit school.
Given current economic conditions, if one is paying their own way, I'd argue that an MBA from anything but a top tier school is likely not a great investment.

That's putting it nicely. Absent a specific job/promotion already lined up, spending money on any b-school that isn't in the top tier is stupid. On the other hand, spending out-of-pocket money to pick up an elite MBA is almost always worth it (depending on opportunity costs, of course).

queencitybuckeye

Sleeper's not very bright, but I think he was kidding in this case.

sleeper

jmog wrote:
sleeper wrote: I think the bottom line is essentially, do what you love and do it well, and you will make plenty of cash.

For I believe it was George Washington who said "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you".
You obviously didn't major in history .

It was JFK that said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

I think its the Obama/Reid/Pelosi/socialist version as you said it "what your country can do for you..."

I do noticed however, that you quickly backed down from the "business majors rule the Forune 500" or whatever list though huh?

Yeah, all the people listed above earned their wealth from having extensive knowledge of the business world, not because they know how to alter a few chemicals or build a bridge.

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