Can girls make it thru business school without the help of guys?

• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  The below is a conversation I just had with a girl friend of mine. I thought it was an interesting "argument" so I thought I would take it to the "Chatter." What is everyone's thoughts/opinions?
  
  Her: This isn't a pointed question I swear
  Her: Did ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ basically hand in your work over again while you were dating
  Me: ? No
  Me: Where is that coming from
  Her: I'm in a glass room in the lib
  Her: And “Jimmy” and “Bobby” popped in and griped at me for a few mins abt their big accounting test on thurs
  Her: They were just whining abt how girls are dumb and can't get through business classes without the guys work passed down to them
  Her: And started citing all these girls who basically copy their boyfriends old case studies and stuff
  Her: And screw up their gpas
  Me: Oh
  Her: Idk
  Her: I remembered ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ always asking u for old work
  Her: So idk if what they are saying is valid or not
  Me: I mean, yeah... I passed a lot of my stuff down to her but she still did her own thing. Why wouldn't I have helped her? She was my g/f, ya know? Besides... We didn't take the exact same classes or have the same teacher for classes, so of course she would have to do her own work for those.
  Her: Right
  Me: I'm sure what they are saying is valid to a certain degree. Typically guys date younger girls and girls date older guys... So naturally guys are going to have taken the courses and naturally they are going to help their gfs and pass down things.
  Her: I mean duh
  Her: “Jimmy” just said quote "I bet over 50 percent of the girls who graduate from the business school couldn't do it with zero assistance"
  Her: Its basically a "men are smarter than women" day for them
  Her: And I don't really have an opinion
  Her: I know I couldn't and none of the “Zetas” could except maybe “one girl”
  Her: They all cheat
  Me: Ha ha. Hmmm I don't know what to make of that. I'm sure it is a high percentage, but I can't believe it is that high.
  Me: Another b.s. thing is most professors are guys so if you are an attractive young female student of course you are going to receive preferential treatment
  Her: Right
  Her: Like after being at college for 3 years I know I could have graduated from the business school
  Me: Right
  Her: Not bc I'm smart but bc its prob the easiest school to cheat in and weasel through.
  Me: Eh... Idk about that
  Me: Maybe the easiest to receive preferential treatment
  Her: I'd say Science is hands on lab stuff a lot of the time and solo projects
  Her: Liberal arts u can't just plagiarize
  Me: Yeah
  Her: But u only need one smart guy to giive accounting hw to 3 dumb girls
  
  
  Does she have a point? I kind of think so.
• sherm03

  

  The business world is filled with people who pull shitty stunts and cheat to get ahead. I'd say that if chicks are cheating to get through business school...they're just getting a head start on their professions.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye wrote: The below is a conversation I just had with a girl friend of mine. I thought it was an interesting "argument" so I thought I would take it to the "Chatter." What is everyone's thoughts/opinions?
  
  Her: This isn't a pointed question I swear
  Her: Did ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ basically hand in your work over again while you were dating
  Me: ? No
  Me: Where is that coming from
  Her: I'm in a glass room in the lib
  Her: And “Jimmy” and “Bobby” popped in and griped at me for a few mins abt their big accounting test on thurs
  Her: They were just whining abt how girls are dumb and can't get through business classes without the guys work passed down to them
  Her: And started citing all these girls who basically copy their boyfriends old case studies and stuff
  Her: And screw up their gpas
  Me: Oh
  Her: Idk
  Her: I remembered ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ always asking u for old work
  Her: So idk if what they are saying is valid or not
  Me: I mean, yeah... I passed a lot of my stuff down to her but she still did her own thing. Why wouldn't I have helped her? She was my g/f, ya know? Besides... We didn't take the exact same classes or have the same teacher for classes, so of course she would have to do her own work for those.
  Her: Right
  Me: I'm sure what they are saying is valid to a certain degree. Typically guys date younger girls and girls date older guys... So naturally guys are going to have taken the courses and naturally they are going to help their gfs and pass down things.
  Her: I mean duh
  Her: “Jimmy” just said quote "I bet over 50 percent of the girls who graduate from the business school couldn't do it with zero assistance"
  Her: Its basically a "men are smarter than women" day for them
  Her: And I don't really have an opinion
  Her: I know I couldn't and none of the “Zetas” could except maybe “one girl”
  Her: They all cheat
  Me: Ha ha. Hmmm I don't know what to make of that. I'm sure it is a high percentage, but I can't believe it is that high.
  Me: Another b.s. thing is most professors are guys so if you are an attractive young female student of course you are going to receive preferential treatment
  Her: Right
  Her: Like after being at college for 3 years I know I could have graduated from the business school
  Me: Right
  Her: Not bc I'm smart but bc its prob the easiest school to cheat in and weasel through.
  Me: Eh... Idk about that
  Me: Maybe the easiest to receive preferential treatment
  Her: I'd say Science is hands on lab stuff a lot of the time and solo projects
  Her: Liberal arts u can't just plagiarize
  Me: Yeah
  Her: But u only need one smart guy to giive accounting hw to 3 dumb girls
  
  
  Does she have a point? I kind of think so.

  TLDR, can I get some girl to pass me cliff notes on this novel so I can properly respond?
• gut

  I don't think so....Grades are still heavily dependent on exams and sometimes class participation. Most respectable professors will change up exams or only post results and keep the tests.
  
  That said, business school is not overly tough. People pay a lot of money to go and schools generally aren't in the business of failing them out. But doing well at a top school vs. just getting by at a mediocre one is a huge difference in the opportunities available.
  
  Well, some business schools do place a lot more emphasis on group work, so in that regard it would be their teammates and not the bf carrying them. So if you can weasel your way into an acceptance, you can ride other people's work to an extent, but there are also plenty of guys who don't exactly cut the mustard.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  LOL. Sexism.
• sleeper

  

  No, but at Ohio State, most guys can't hack it either.
• Glory Days

  

  no its not gender, its just group of friends. the group of friends i had with my major were spread out over each year class, so of course the people who took certain classes passed down information to the younger friends. plus by the time i was a senior, my gf was writing most of my papers.
• j_crazy

  

  i've nevern been to business school, but as long as they teach sammich making. any woman could succeed there.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  j_crazy wrote: i've nevern been to business school, but as long as they teach sammich making. any woman could succeed there.

  LOL.
  
  
  I think this is an interesting argument/debate/topic because of the fact that MOST guys tend to date girls who are younger and MOST girls tend to date guys who are older. Hence, guys are the ones who typically take the class first and therefore are in the position to do the helping. A girl cannot provide the same level of assistance (i.e., passing down notes, quizzes, tests, exams, etc.) if she has not taken the class, right?
  
  I am not saying girls are dumb and cannot pass business school on their own (because I believe this to be completely untrue), but I do feel one could make a plausible argument based on "facts" above.
• Angel

  To simply answer the question in the title of the thread.
  
  Yes. Some girls can.
  
  From my experience, there are both girls and boys who can't make it through on their own.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  A monkey could make it through business school... so a woman might have a chance.
• enigmaax

  It would've been a lot better story if it went like this:
  
  Her: This isn't a pointed question I swear
  Her: Did ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ basically hand in your work over again while you were dating
  You: *bitchslap* None ya damn bidness ho, now suck it or GTFO.
• ksig489

  I think the better question is will you ever get laid again after publicly asking a question like that?
• 3reppom

  

  To answer the question, yes they can, and do. frequently.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  ksig489 wrote: I think the better question is will you ever get laid again after publicly asking a question like that?

  
• I Wear Pants

  sleeper wrote: No, but at Ohio State, most guys can't hack it either.

  Jesus Christ man.
• darbypitcher22

  

  I think they could.
  
  A girl could get through any major without the help of a guy, all depends on what kind of integrity and work ethic they have
• Con_Alma

  Simply because they can get assistance readily doesn't mean they are not capable of doing it on their own. Sounds like they are smart than the guys in this case.
• jmog

  1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.
  
  2. It went sort of that way in engineering too, any attractive girl (weren't many in engineering, trust me) got "preferential" treatment from most of the other male students when it came to help, etc. I mean, engineering is probably only 2nd to physics when it comes to percentage of "nerds" in the discipline, and you put an attractive girl in the class and they can get whoever they want to do "help" with their homework.
  
  Edit: I am not insinuating that the women couldn't pass engineering that got help, just saying they got help.
• zambrown

  

  enigmaax wrote: It would've been a lot better story if it went like this:
  
  Her: This isn't a pointed question I swear
  Her: Did ‘ex-girlfriend at the time’ basically hand in your work over again while you were dating
  You: *bitchslap* None ya damn bidness ho, now suck it or GTFO.

  Wow, thanks for your input on this discussion.
• sleeper

  

  1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.

  LOL at the engineering folks coming in here bashing business. Who makes all the money in the world? It's not engineers, its people involved in business. I'm not going to sit here and say the material is harder because I've never taken a lick of engineering, just as you've probably only taken entry level business courses at best, but you can have your mythical superior degree while I'm rolling in CASH MONEY.
• jmog

  sleeper wrote:

  1. Who can't pass business school? When I was in engineering, everyone who couldn't handle engineering dropped out of the program and graduated business school with high GPAs.

  LOL at the engineering folks coming in here bashing business. Who makes all the money in the world? It's not engineers, its people involved in business. I'm not going to sit here and say the material is harder because I've never taken a lick of engineering, just as you've probably only taken entry level business courses at best, but you can have your mythical superior degree while I'm rolling in CASH MONEY.

  1. What I stated is fact, most people who dropped out of engineering and went to business graduated with 3.5+ GPAs. They couldn't hack Cs and Ds in engineering, but got As and Bs in business.
  
  2. Every engineer I know that went back to school for a MBA joked about how the master's level business classes were like taking sophomore level engineering classes.
  
  3. You don't know what business classes I've taken. With my 2nd degree in math I took a few senior level financial (accounting, stock market, etc) business classes, and they were pretty easy.
  
  4. Look at starting salaries, business/finance/accounting average starting salary across the nation is around $45k. Engineering is around $56k and as high as $64k for chemical engineering. So while a business major, if they are lucky and amazing at their job may one day get promoted to high lvl management like CEOs, etc and make a ton more than engineers, the average business major never does. The average business major will, over a lifetime, make far less than the average engineer. That's a fact. The salary ceiling is higher for a business major, no doubt, but the statistical averages lies with engineering.
  
  I'm not trying to be a prick, just stating facts. I took some junion/senior lvl business classes in my time and they were on par with freshman/sophomore lvl engineering classes at best difficulty wise.
  
  Oh, and if you REALLY want to get into the "CASH MONEY" discussion, those with BS degrees in engineering and MBAs are the ones really making the money. (FYI, not me, I have a MS in engineering, work in research, don't want/never want to go the MBA route).
• queencitybuckeye

  jmog wrote: 2. Every engineer I know that went back to school for a MBA joked about how the master's level business classes were like taking sophomore level engineering classes.

  Then none of them have ever attended a top-tier business school, or they wouldn't be saying this. Those I saw there tended to be middle to lower-middle in our classes.
• jmog

  queencitybuckeye wrote:

  jmog wrote: 2. Every engineer I know that went back to school for a MBA joked about how the master's level business classes were like taking sophomore level engineering classes.

  Then none of them have ever attended a top-tier business school, or they wouldn't be saying this. Those I saw there tended to be middle to lower-middle in our classes.

  I don't know or care to know business school rankings, but the engineering buddies I know that went onto MBAs did it at Notre Dame, OSU, U of Mich, Penn St, Univ of Illinois Urbana-Champaigne (big Chem E school), Case Western Reserve, and some at Univ of Akron.
  
  I'm not a business guy, so I have no idea if any of those schools are great business schools, I know most of them are known for their engineering.
• queencitybuckeye

  jmog wrote: I don't know or care to know business school rankings, but the engineering buddies I know that went onto MBAs did it at Notre Dame, OSU, U of Mich, Penn St, Univ of Illinois Urbana-Champaigne (big Chem E school), Case Western Reserve, and some at Univ of Akron.
  
  I'm not a business guy, so I have no idea if any of those schools are great business schools, I know most of them are known for their engineering.

  One is excellent but not top-tier, a few are good, and a couple are dogshit.