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Anyone see Obama with his dancing shoes on today?

  • 2quik4u
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/28/obama-asked-why-us-doesnt_n_440816.html

    Finally good to see someone ask Obama a tough question but of course like the politician he is, he sidesteps the question.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    1. Foreign policy was gutted from the speech. No mention of the peace process, no real indepth substance on Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Russia, nukes, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Europe, etc. The speech was mainly domestic, with some broad foreign policy issues that, from what I've heard, most staffers did not know was in there till the night of the speech.

    2. Anytime a politician is asked about Israel they immediately go into broad, general talk as to not offend either side. It is usually the same talk as before. Besides, the peace talks are on life support and really he has to be careful what he says. It would have been nice to get a real answer, but with the talks as fragile as they are, no need to stir the pot. Remember, he tried and crashed and burned before.
  • 2quik4u
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 1. Foreign policy was gutted from the speech. No mention of the peace process, no real indepth substance on Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Russia, nukes, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Europe, etc. The speech was mainly domestic, with some broad foreign policy issues that, from what I've heard, most staffers did not know was in there till the night of the speech.

    2. Anytime a politician is asked about Israel they immediately go into broad, general talk as to not offend either side. It is usually the same talk as before. Besides, the peace talks are on life support and really he has to be careful what he says. It would have been nice to get a real answer, but with the talks as fragile as they are, no need to stir the pot. Remember, he tried and crashed and burned before.
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    2quik4u wrote:
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
    Agreed, but he got burned when he came out against the settlements. I'm guessing he learned his lesson and is wary of what he says in public. Plus, i'm sure it completely caught him off guard.
  • 2quik4u
    I would bet cutting off the money supply to Israel's military would change a few things. But then I guess everyone would label Obama as anti-jewish.
  • Writerbuckeye
    The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
  • 2quik4u
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    yes thank you, I understand that
  • IggyPride00
    I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep
    Yeah, that's it. I am sure the fact his 2 closest advisers (top political adviser and chief of staff) are Jews is not indicative of a person that holds no animosity towards Jews, but in fact is nothing more than an attempt to cover up those feelings so no one else can see them.

    Thank goodness you were able to point that out for everyone, because we might not otherwise have known.
  • eersandbeers
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    2quik4u wrote:
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
    Agreed, but he got burned when he came out against the settlements. I'm guessing he learned his lesson and is wary of what he says in public. Plus, i'm sure it completely caught him off guard.

    Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.

    IggyPride00 wrote:
    I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep
    Yeah, that's it. I am sure the fact his 2 closest advisers (top political adviser and chief of staff) are Jews is not indicative of a person that holds no animosity towards Jews, but in fact is nothing more than an attempt to cover up those feelings so no one else can see them.

    Thank goodness you were able to point that out for everyone, because we might not otherwise have known.

    That's the problem with the internet. It's hard to tell when someone is trolling and when they have a genuinely stupid opinion.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Obama is like most liberals when it comes to Jews -- they talk a good game but when push REALLY comes to shove...

    Think it's stupid all you like, but it's pretty obvious.
  • Ghmothwdwhso
    eersandbeers wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    2quik4u wrote:
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
    Agreed, but he got burned when he came out against the settlements. I'm guessing he learned his lesson and is wary of what he says in public. Plus, i'm sure it completely caught him off guard.

    Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.

    IggyPride00 wrote:
    I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep
    Yeah, that's it. I am sure the fact his 2 closest advisers (top political adviser and chief of staff) are Jews is not indicative of a person that holds no animosity towards Jews, but in fact is nothing more than an attempt to cover up those feelings so no one else can see them.

    Thank goodness you were able to point that out for everyone, because we might not otherwise have known.

    That's the problem with the internet. It's hard to tell when someone is trolling and when they have a genuinely stupid opinion.
    Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.

    GIVE BACK is always under debate, let's not go there, or we could argue for another XXXX (name your's) years.

    And like that is different from any former U.S President. Same Old story, with a different U.S. President. Let them fight it out and may the best, worst win.[/i]
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Writerbuckeye wrote: Obama is like most liberals when it comes to Jews -- they talk a good game but when push REALLY comes to shove...

    Think it's stupid all you like, but it's pretty obvious.
    Right, cause Carter and Clinton never cared for Jews. :rolleyes:

    Geesh. Liberals do not have a bias against Israel. It is generally a more level opinion of them than the general view held by the right.
  • Ghmothwdwhso
    eersandbeers wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    2quik4u wrote:
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
    Agreed, but he got burned when he came out against the settlements. I'm guessing he learned his lesson and is wary of what he says in public. Plus, i'm sure it completely caught him off guard.

    Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.

    IggyPride00 wrote:
    I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep
    Yeah, that's it. I am sure the fact his 2 closest advisers (top political adviser and chief of staff) are Jews is not indicative of a person that holds no animosity towards Jews, but in fact is nothing more than an attempt to cover up those feelings so no one else can see them.

    Thank goodness you were able to point that out for everyone, because we might not otherwise have known.

    That's the problem with the internet. It's hard to tell when someone is trolling and when they have a genuinely stupid opinion.
    I don't see a problem, It's clear to see that your opinions are genuinely stupid.
  • majorspark
    eersandbeers wrote: Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.
    As I have stated many times this world is governed by the aggressive use of force. You can go back thousands of years and find lands now possessed by palestinians in the West Bank, in the past posessions of the Jews/Romans/British/Ottoman Empire just to name a few of the major players.

    There is a reason why they will never give up certain parts of the West Bank. The same reason the USA will not give up the southwest to Mexico. The same reason you would not give up your home to an inferior power's ancestors (native Americans) that once possessed it. It is now your home and only the agressive use of a greater force would drive you from it. That is all the Isreali government is stating.

    The generation of Irsealis born in the West Bank would no sooner give up their only known home to the Palestinians than you would give yours to the native Americans. It would take the force of arms to remove them from where they grew up just as the force of arms would be needed to remove you from the land you grew up in.
  • 2kool4skool
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    You have "zero doubt" about what someone you've never meant really thinks... You must be quite intelligent, if only your posts on this thread reflected that.
  • believer
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:Geesh. Liberals do not have a bias against Israel. It is generally a more level opinion of them than the general view held by the right.
    "Generally" a more level opinion? What do you base that on; your own personal opinion or do you have facts to back that up?
  • Writerbuckeye
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    You have "zero doubt" about what someone you've never meant really thinks... You must be quite intelligent, if only your posts on this thread reflected that.
    If you're going to call out my intelligence, at least be smart enough to use the proper word. :rolleyes:
  • CinciX12
    2quik4u wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 1. Foreign policy was gutted from the speech. No mention of the peace process, no real indepth substance on Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Russia, nukes, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Europe, etc. The speech was mainly domestic, with some broad foreign policy issues that, from what I've heard, most staffers did not know was in there till the night of the speech.

    2. Anytime a politician is asked about Israel they immediately go into broad, general talk as to not offend either side. It is usually the same talk as before. Besides, the peace talks are on life support and really he has to be careful what he says. It would have been nice to get a real answer, but with the talks as fragile as they are, no need to stir the pot. Remember, he tried and crashed and burned before.
    I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here talks have always been on life support. It would be nice to see Obama come out and speak against the way Israel has treated Palestinian people.
    You meant to say it would be nice if Obama said 'screw you Israel you have done nothing to help us and we are tired of dealing with your BS.'

    At least thats what I hope someone someday thinks and says.
  • 2kool4skool
    Writerbuckeye wrote:
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    You have "zero doubt" about what someone you've never meant really thinks... You must be quite intelligent, if only your posts on this thread reflected that.
    If you're going to call out my intelligence, at least be smart enough to use the proper word. :rolleyes:
    You're right, it was late, spaced it. Now, stop deflecting and address your hatred for Obama that borders on insanity. I'm sure you loved to call the liberals that had this over-the-top hatred for Bush stupid/crazy/whatever, and now look at yourself. Pounding away at your keyboard all day about evil Obama, without a rational or intelligent post in the bunch.
  • Writerbuckeye
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote:
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    You have "zero doubt" about what someone you've never meant really thinks... You must be quite intelligent, if only your posts on this thread reflected that.
    If you're going to call out my intelligence, at least be smart enough to use the proper word. :rolleyes:
    You're right, it was late, spaced it. Now, stop deflecting and address your hatred for Obama that borders on insanity. I'm sure you loved to call the liberals that had this over-the-top hatred for Bush stupid/crazy/whatever, and now look at yourself. Pounding away at your keyboard all day about evil Obama, without a rational or intelligent post in the bunch.
    You need glasses.

    I've provided plenty of reasons, rationale and links to opinions/factual articles that show why I have such deep, deep disgust for the policies of this administration.

    You may not LIKE why I feel this way, but those feelings are based on (1) where Obama comes from (2) his lack of real experience (3) who he surrounded himself with after he entered public life (4) and the continual LIES he has been caught in since he began taking stances on issues.

    The man is virtually schizophrenic when it comes to many of these issues, and waffles on too many others.

    Mr. Obama has provided plenty of fodder in a very short time as to why he is the most inept, incompetent man to hold the office of President since Jimmy Carter.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    believer wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:Geesh. Liberals do not have a bias against Israel. It is generally a more level opinion of them than the general view held by the right.
    "Generally" a more level opinion? What do you base that on; your own personal opinion or do you have facts to back that up?
    Just my observations from my experiences in and around DC, on this board, and around Ohio and my reading of Presidential history.
    Also, note Truman was the first President to acknowledge Israel.

    Notice I said generally.
  • majorspark
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    believer wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:Geesh. Liberals do not have a bias against Israel. It is generally a more level opinion of them than the general view held by the right.
    "Generally" a more level opinion? What do you base that on; your own personal opinion or do you have facts to back that up?
    Just my observations from my experiences in and around DC, on this board, and around Ohio and my reading of Presidential history.
    Also, note Truman was the first President to acknowledge Israel.

    Notice I said generally.
    I think you meant Truman was president and the US was the first nation to recognize Israel. Truman was not a liberal by todays standards.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    majorspark wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
    believer wrote:
    ptown_trojans_1 wrote:Geesh. Liberals do not have a bias against Israel. It is generally a more level opinion of them than the general view held by the right.
    "Generally" a more level opinion? What do you base that on; your own personal opinion or do you have facts to back that up?
    Just my observations from my experiences in and around DC, on this board, and around Ohio and my reading of Presidential history.
    Also, note Truman was the first President to acknowledge Israel.

    Notice I said generally.
    I think you meant Truman was president and the US was the first nation to recognize Israel. Truman was not a liberal by todays standards.
    Yeah, thanks.

    Yes, Truman was not a liberal by today's standards, but he was a Democrat.
  • dwccrew
    majorspark wrote:
    eersandbeers wrote: Include the fact that Israel has snubbed their nose at any attempt Obama has tried to reign in the settlements. Including their latest statements saying they will never give back certain parts of the West Bank.
    As I have stated many times this world is governed by the aggressive use of force. You can go back thousands of years and find lands now possessed by palestinians in the West Bank, in the past posessions of the Jews/Romans/British/Ottoman Empire just to name a few of the major players.

    There is a reason why they will never give up certain parts of the West Bank. The same reason the USA will not give up the southwest to Mexico. The same reason you would not give up your home to an inferior power's ancestors (native Americans) that once possessed it. It is now your home and only the agressive use of a greater force would drive you from it. That is all the Isreali government is stating.

    The generation of Irsealis born in the West Bank would no sooner give up their only known home to the Palestinians than you would give yours to the native Americans. It would take the force of arms to remove them from where they grew up just as the force of arms would be needed to remove you from the land you grew up in.
    I think this is a great post, however, I do think there is a bit of difference between how the earliest American settlers stole land from the natives of this region and how Israel was basically setup by the Allied powers.

    The founders of this country stole the land for themselves from the natives. The Allied powers stole land from the Palestineans to setup Israel. Granted long ago the land the Palestineans had belonged to Jews long ago and to someone before that and before that, but as you stated and aggressive force overtook the occupiers of that land. In the case of Isreal, the Allied powers put them there, not the jes themselves.
    Writerbuckeye wrote:
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote:
    2kool4skool wrote:
    Writerbuckeye wrote: The term is anti-Semite -- and I have absolutely zero doubt he is one down deep in his I'd-love-to-really-be-a-Marxist heart.
    You have "zero doubt" about what someone you've never meant really thinks... You must be quite intelligent, if only your posts on this thread reflected that.
    If you're going to call out my intelligence, at least be smart enough to use the proper word. :rolleyes:
    You're right, it was late, spaced it. Now, stop deflecting and address your hatred for Obama that borders on insanity. I'm sure you loved to call the liberals that had this over-the-top hatred for Bush stupid/crazy/whatever, and now look at yourself. Pounding away at your keyboard all day about evil Obama, without a rational or intelligent post in the bunch.
    You need glasses.

    I've provided plenty of reasons, rationale and links to opinions/factual articles that show why I have such deep, deep disgust for the policies of this administration.

    You may not LIKE why I feel this way, but those feelings are based on (1) where Obama comes from (2) his lack of real experience (3) who he surrounded himself with after he entered public life (4) and the continual LIES he has been caught in since he began taking stances on issues.

    The man is virtually schizophrenic when it comes to many of these issues, and waffles on too many others.

    Mr. Obama has provided plenty of fodder in a very short time as to why he is the most inept, incompetent man to hold the office of President since Jimmy Carter.
    That is all fine and good, but you are stating your opinion about how you feel Obama views jews, so why are you saying you have brought up factual argument when it doesn't apply to this situation that some are calling you out on?
  • cbus4life
    All liberals hate jews.

    Obama hates Jews. It is clear as day, i don't know how you guys don't see this. Writer is, obviously, spot on. All of us liberals, deep down in our hearts, hate Jews, even if we might not know it right now.

    We're also all closet Muslim extremists.

    I was just trying to figure out the other day why i had a wet dream about Hamas, didn't seem to make sense at the time...but now i understand.