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Sanders should go 3rd Party

  • O-Trap
    CenterBHSFan;1795649 wrote:You act as though the media has never done this before lol
    Sure, but it isn't as though any of the major media outlets is at the general public's beck and call. We don't get to decide when they do something like this.
  • QuakerOats
    Socialist supporters: Bernie or bust ........

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4891173890001/bernie-or-bust-voters-are-on-a-mission-to-stop-clinton/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips
  • MontyBrunswick
    amen!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • CenterBHSFan
    O-Trap;1795663 wrote:Sure, but it isn't as though any of the major media outlets is at the general public's beck and call. We don't get to decide when they do something like this.
    Agreed. However, Ptown specifically said "What you want the media to talk about something that is not plausible just to simply bring it up?"
    which is nothing new. It may be new when it concerns Bernie Sanders, but it is not new since news was a thing.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1795565 wrote:While the media remains organized in their attempts to focus on republicans and their hyped disarray, the real story is systematically being squelched: the fact that a Socialist would be winning the democrat ticket if not for the bizarre rules on super delegates. If the dems had the same primary rules as the repubs, Sanders would be winning. Thus, if anyone should go 3rd party, it is Sanders and the left wingers. Of course, that would split the Left and guarantee a landslide win for Trump, which is exactly why you hear nothing of it in the lame-stream media. They are scared shitless right now; you will hear nothing. Maybe Sanders will soon have his fill of Clinton's pre-ordination, and go 3rd party. Although he would then have to contend with the Clinton criminal machine, and we know how that can end up.
    Sanders would still be losing without them. I'd be more worried about the socialist taking over the GOP with a few fancyvpromises about keepin out the mooslims.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1795621 wrote:Not sure how you keep missing the point; the media produces and pushes the narrative when it will serve to hurt the repub's; they never do it when it might hurt their (liberal) pre-ordained candidate.

    No one in the republican primary mentioned going 3rd party, yet the media (fearing Trump traction) kept throwing it out there hoping someone would emerge to split the vote.
    The media is going to treat Trump like is not a ludicrous joke of a person and that the GOP that nominates him is not a failed national party.

    Why? Because they are for-profit companies that would lose money if they want all in for Hillary like they do in your fantasies.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1795571 wrote:Scary is a socialist beating a (proclaimed) democrat in about 20 states in the USA. He's batting .670 in the last 15.
    Trump agrees on more things with Bernie than he does with Paul Ryan. #VoteTrump
  • BoatShoes
    queencitybuckeye;1795574 wrote:I'm less scared than disgusted. The country, being far greater than the government, will survive either way.
    THIS.
  • BoatShoes
    queencitybuckeye;1795587 wrote:Correct, there's no way to prove that. Sec. Clinton may well have won anyway. That the system was gamed from the start just made sure
    The President of the AFL-CIO said there would never again be a Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern on the vonvention floor when they changed the rules.
  • bases_loaded
    Bernie and Mitt should go 3rd party. From 2 to 4 person race handing it to Trump.


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  • QuakerOats
    BoatShoes;1796004 wrote:Trump agrees on more things with Bernie than he does with Paul Ryan. #VoteTrump

    Like what - obamaKare (No)
    Like what - supremes (No)
    Like what - taxes (No)
    Like what - military (No)
    Like what - illegals (No)



    Keep sipping the chardonnay ............
  • QuakerOats
    DEM FEAR: Revolt could upend Philly convention...
    Tensions erupt...
    Dangerous divisions...
    Sanders Vows To Fight Until 'The Last Ballot Is Cast'...
    Delegate Count...



    Today links ....... talk about problems.

    Central command and control from the democrat party ---- oh the irony

  • queencitybuckeye
    QuakerOats;1796178 wrote:Like what - obamaKare (No)
    Like what - supremes (No)
    Like what - taxes (No)
    Like what - military (No)
    Like what - illegals (No)



    Keep sipping the chardonnay ............
    Higher taxes - yes
  • QuakerOats
    queencitybuckeye;1796211 wrote:Higher taxes - yes
    I am pretty sure I disagree -----

    The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals
    1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
    2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
    3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
    4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform



  • queencitybuckeye
    He was interviewed and was asked if he was open to raising taxes. His answer was a single three-letter word.
  • QuakerOats
    I like to go with what is in writing, as opposed to some comment that may have been taken out of context.

    Anyway, I am fairly certain Bernie would not go 3rd party; even though he should (or should have), because he obviously does not want to end up in Fort Marcy Park.
  • QuakerOats
    Bernie endorses clinton ......... and Trump nailed it again: it is like Occupy endorsing Goldman Sachs.
  • Spock
    Bernie gives in to the pressure of the big political machine that he is so against. What a hypocrit.
  • like_that
    I get the whole "anything to stop trump" movement and I hate to agree with our resident gym teacher, but Bernie Sanders definitely has proven his campaign was 100% bullshit and he is just another classic politician. You can't spew all this revolution bullshit and then sell out by endorsing the exact same thing you are against. Unfortunately a lot people are too dumb or choose not to see thru the bullshit.
  • QuakerOats
    Bernie is not a wealth guy ........................................................... at least he wasn't.
  • BoatShoes
    like_that;1803163 wrote:I get the whole "anything to stop trump" movement and I hate to agree with our resident gym teacher, but Bernie Sanders definitely has proven his campaign was 100% bullshit and he is just another classic politician. You can't spew all this revolution bullshit and then sell out by endorsing the exact same thing you are against. Unfortunately a lot people are too dumb or choose not to see thru the bullshit.
    Or maybe he realizes he got Hillary way farther to the left and inspired a generation of people who will run,for future officeand doesn't want to squander it like the paulbots too principled to vote for Romney.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1796232 wrote:I am pretty sure I disagree -----

    The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals
    1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
    2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
    3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
    4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform



    I suppose you believe that this wouldbe so extraordinary in its power that it would not cause a deficit (which you hate) even while he builds a deportation force and a border wall - contrary to all of the studies that say otherwise.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1796178 wrote:Like what - obamaKare (No)
    Like what - supremes (No)
    Like what - taxes (No)
    Like what - military (No)
    Like what - illegals (No)



    Keep sipping the chardonnay ............
    Trump agrees with Bernie on single payer
    Trump will not appoint a conservative to the court...his daughter won't let him...he is saying what you want to hear and SHOCKER you believe him.
    Trump has said rich will have to pay more...but he says somethng different everyday. I mean he once endorsed a huge wealth tax....in any case...much closer to,Bernie than Paul Ryan who wants 0% on cap gains and investment income.
    Military- Trump is more anti-intervention than anyone. He and Bernie are in the same spot.

    Again, Trump is,only hardcore on immigration. And on that he is far to the right of paul ryan.

    Basically what we have learned is that the GOP base is willing to vote for a man who is liberal or,open to liberal ideas so long,as they are vociferously anti-immigration and even,willing to,dramatically increase big,government to deport and shut down illegal immigration.
  • BoatShoes
    QuakerOats;1796243 wrote:I like to go with what is in writing, as opposed to some comment that may have been taken out of context.

    Anyway, I am fairly certain Bernie would not go 3rd party; even though he should (or should have), because he obviously does not want to end up in Fort Marcy Park.
    What you mean is "I like to go with whatever alleviates the cognitive dissonance flowing from the fact that a liberal New Yorker who believes in nothing took over my party by making overtly racist and xenophobic appeals that we have complained about liberals saying exist within our voting base for decades and probably did so at the behest of Bill and Hillary."
  • like_that
    BoatShoes;1803179 wrote:Or maybe he realizes he got Hillary way farther to the left and inspired a generation of people who will run,for future officeand doesn't want to squander it like the paulbots too principled to vote for Romney.
    Yeah, even you don't believe this bullshit lol.