Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1814310 wrote:The only thing I'm hoping from this tape is conservatives can finally stop pretending they give a fuck about morals and integrity. You fake fuckers.

  As a true social conservative, help me understand how this "tape" makes me a pretender as it relates to morals and integrity.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Con_Alma;1814312 wrote:As a true social conservative, help me understand how this "tape" makes me a pretender as it relates to morals and integrity.

  Only if you continue to support Trump. Which I'm not sure you ever have.
• superman

  sleeper;1814309 wrote:The moment the cluster of cells can survive on its own independent of the mother.

  So a three month infant can still be aborted?
• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1814313 wrote:Only if you continue to support Trump. Which I'm not sure you ever have.

  I don't know that social conservatives ever have. That's what made your statement unclear me.
  
  Conservatives aren't any more perfect than non-conservatives. They simply seek to not endorse or support that which they continue to work towards themselves. It's not a position of being morally "better" or claiming superior integrity but rather one of not enabling that which isn't ideal and that they hope to come closer to achieving. It may not even possible but it's always being sought out.
• sleeper

  

  superman;1814315 wrote:So a three month infant can still be aborted?

  It was clear that I was talking about independent of a mother's body. Did you really need to ask this question?
  
  Anyways, abortion is legal and it always will be. Time to grow up.
• O-Trap

  

  Belly35;1814289 wrote:If you never said anything stupid or something you regret saying vote for Hillary.

  "From the heart, the mouth speaks." Matthew 15:18
  
  This wasn't a heat-of-the-moment circumstance in which he said something he shouldn't have. Moreover, while we've probably all said stupid things, we were probably not the sort of people who should have been president when we said those things.
  
  The comments in question indicate a misogyny that many have already been suggesting is there. However, the only people who will care about it are the fence-sitters. Those who are voting for Trump, come hell or high water, are going to spin it as locker room talk or will deflect to Clinton's husband ... a man who is not running for president and who was indicted when he did hold office.
  
  Needless to say, it's a problem to have a president who doesn't actually believe that all citizens are equal, whether or not he'd ever openly admit to such.
  

  Belly35;1814289 wrote:If you never never told a lie or was catch in a lie vote for Trump......

  Let's be honest. Clinton has done worse than just being caught in a lie. She's about as corrupt as politicians come.
  

  Belly35;1814289 wrote:Now if you care about your country, the future of your rights, prosperity, your children future, sercurity of our country, over bearing government, jobs, taxes, immigration, terroist and the protection of this countries Liberty ......ISSUE...are what is important ..... Stick with the issue.. What the country is now is that what you want..... Being President isn't a popularity contest....

  Oh, I think we stopped caring about those many elections ago.
• superman

  sleeper;1814326 wrote:It was clear that I was talking about independent of a mother's body. Did you really need to ask this question?
  
  Anyways, abortion is legal and it always will be. Time to grow up.

  But it will be illegal some day because librards such as yourself want to turn control of health care over to the government. Time to wake up.
• sleeper

  

  superman;1814348 wrote:But it will be illegal some day because librards such as yourself want to turn control of health care over to the government. Time to wake up.

  Link?
• superman

  sleeper;1814352 wrote:Link?

  A link to your own stupidity?
• sleeper

  

  superman;1814365 wrote:A link to your own stupidity?

  A link to backup your claims that abortion will be made illegal once government makes healthcare affordable and available to all.
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1814375 wrote: once government makes healthcare affordable and available to all.

  I thought that was the point of Obamacare.
• gut

  like_that;1814386 wrote:I thought that was the point of Obamacare.

  the sad-but-true part is that this was absolutely predicted....basically it was all designed to fail so badly that you had no alternative.
  
  It's called moving the goal posts...........I no longer give a shit - I pay good money to very good accountants to work the tax code. I will fight tooth-and-nail to stay middle class.
• Belly35

  

  friendfromlowry;1814290 wrote:I've said stupid shit. I've never been a 59 year old man bragging about my ability to sexually assault women. Not surprised a narrow-minded dumbass like yourself can't see the difference.
  
  By the way, every time Trump screws up, you don't have to come out with "Yeah but Hillary did/said this...!" They both suck. Everyone on here has come to terms with it except you and the other tools Heretic mentioned. There's no rule saying you have to vote for one or the other.

  Until you get to the age of Trump 11 years age, rich, powerful, entrepeneur, intreging personality and engaged in the political, entertainment world, bussiness and world leader social circle .... Stfu. You don't know your destiny nor do you know what behavior tendencies your have.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1814299 wrote:So at what point does life begin? When it has a heart beat? When it starts sucking it's thumb? When it becomes viable outside the womb? ... And please of course, provide the logic behind your reasoning.
  I suppose you think this is a religious issue but in realty, this is about natural law, number one on the list is the right to live... Which is why MURDER is illegal in every civilized country. The only actual natural law that is not a "progressive" or narcissistic gobbledygook fabrication that could be claimed... is the right of self defense. But how is an innocent "child to be" a threat to its mother when it was voluntarily brought into the women's body by her own choice?
  The only way it could possibly be "self defense" is if poses an actual threat to her health or was forced upon her. ...rape or an actual significant threat of death or harm. Convenience doesn't count. In the same way that if you shoot an kill someone, the onus is on you to provide a logical, reasonable explanation for inflicting bodily harm on another.

  Life begins at conception but it makes sense to give a human embryo the same protection of the law as a post-natal human being. If we are to take your position seriously IVF clinics are morally equal to gas chambers as they knowingly "kill" countless newly conceived human beings.
  
  But obviously that is absurd because the pro-life position is absurd.
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1814386 wrote:I thought that was the point of Obamacare.

  The point of Obamacare was to guarantee coverage to people with pre-existing conditions within a system of private health insurance. E.G. My father in law who had cancer and ended up having to quit working could get individual coverage through the exchange whereas before he would have been denied by everyone. That has been achieved. However insuring and taking care of sick people has raised costs for the rest of us.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1814388 wrote:the sad-but-true part is that this was absolutely predicted....basically it was all designed to fail so badly that you had no alternative.
  
  It's called moving the goal posts...........I no longer give a shit - I pay good money to very good accountants to work the tax code. I will fight tooth-and-nail to stay middle class.

  Lol at the hysterics
• BoatShoes

  superman;1814315 wrote:So a three month infant can still be aborted?

  People know there is a moral difference between a 3 month old post-natal human being and an embrionic human being. Like porno, even if yiu can't define it, you know it. The Supreme Court's test for viability is a reasonable approximation of that intuition and it is time to move on.
  
  Do you weep for the humans sacrificed in the mass genocide of IVF? No. Does it make any sense to lock up my buddy's wife who caused her miscarriages through bulimia for manslaughter? No. Does it make any sense to lock up a 45 year old woman who gets accidentally knocked up when she is a great mom and doesn't want any more kids as an accomplice to aggravated murder? No.
  
  It is absurd. The only thing more absurd is how much we devote our national discourse toward this shit.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1814306 wrote:absent what knowledge?..the point is that it is an arbitrary definition decided by gobbledygook unless you define it from 1) the moment it starts growing. or 2) when it exits the birth canal/womb. If you feel natural law is just "a belief" then our entire system of government and laws as well as most of the moral codes of western civilization mean nothing.

  It is not a question of when life begins. The point is that it would be fundamentally absurd and unworkable to grant embrionic human beings the same protection of the law afforded to their mothers when it is clear that even the people who call themselves pro-life believe embrionic human beings and post-natal human beings have morally relevant differences.
  
  When they introduced the heartbeat bill they made it an F-5! So they are completely full of shit when the harangue about murder.
  
  My 4 month old is morally different than when she was an embryo. It is just the way it is and if my wife had had an abortion she shouldn't get charged with aggravated murder and get life in prison or the death penalty, etc. like she should if she were to kill our child now.
  
  The legal framework since roe v. wade has worked fine for figuring out when to grant legal protection to prenatal human beings and largely gels with the intution of non-zealots.
• BoatShoes

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1814310 wrote:The only thing I'm hoping from this tape is conservatives can finally stop pretending they give a fuck about morals and integrity. You fake fuckers.

  It is pathetic imho that this is what caused the mass exodus from Trump....the white nationalism, ignorance on Nukes, NATO, etc. All of that was ok!
• Belly35

  

  BoatShoes;1814398 wrote:It is pathetic imho that this is what caused the mass exodus from Trump....the white nationalism, ignorance on Nukes, NATO, etc. All of that was ok!

  so corruption lying soldiers to die email scandals security breaches lying to Congress taking money from the richest people in the world but also chastising them they're being the 1% because one Hillary is elected there are going to make more money than ever before and she claims she's against the wealthy b******* money from countries that murder gays and lesbians not addressing the issues of her campaign but hiding from the truth for her and her husband just banging every b**** there is it okay
• queencitybuckeye

  Totally off topic question, if someone votes prior to election day, but dies before that day, does their vote count?
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1814386 wrote:I thought that was the point of Obamacare.

  Obamacare is a disaster overall but it was a good start. Hopefully we can move towards a better system when our first female President is elected.
• sleeper

  

  queencitybuckeye;1814406 wrote:Totally off topic question, if someone votes prior to election day, but dies before that day, does their vote count?

  My guess is yes.
• sleeper

  

  BoatShoes;1814394 wrote:The point of Obamacare was to guarantee coverage to people with pre-existing conditions within a system of private health insurance. E.G. My father in law who had cancer and ended up having to quit working could get individual coverage through the exchange whereas before he would have been denied by everyone. That has been achieved. However insuring and taking care of sick people has raised costs for the rest of us.

  I don't think it raised the cost for the rest of us; its just the cost is now reflected in your insurance quote instead of your marked up hospital bill.
  
  Well arguably at least, hospitals have no incentive to give a fair market price for their services. This is one of the reasons I think we need government to run healthcare; too many market failures to build an effective system.
• superman

  queencitybuckeye;1814406 wrote:Totally off topic question, if someone votes prior to election day, but dies before that day, does their vote count?

  If they vote democrat.