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  • sleeper
    However, denying someone a single right isn't the same as suggesting they shouldn't have human rights as a whole. Just for the purpose of accuracy, he doesn't advocate mass extermination or anything.
    The right to make their own health choices is the most important human right. To deny this right to women is reprehensible in a civilized society.
  • sleeper
    wkfan;1813876 wrote:Hmmmm...health and safety.....

    Certainly not for the unborn child.

    Convenience, yes. Health and safety....not often.
    Ah, so you're one of those people who think miscarriages should be involuntary manslaughter.

    Enjoy our first female President for the next 8 years!
  • CenterBHSFan
    sleeper;1813878 wrote:Ah, so you're one of those people who think miscarriages should be involuntary manslaughter.
    That is a ridiculous misconstruing and you know it XD
  • CenterBHSFan
    Heretic;1813866 wrote:If a person wants to believe, no biggie. If a person wants to use their PERSONAL belief as the foundation of their legislation while holding a public office, so countless people can be affected by their ability to pick and choose which verses in their holy book are deserving of becoming law, they deserve failure.
    You've just described everybody from the writers of the Constitution to President Washington all the way through each Presidency to Barack Obama.

    In context:
    - Providence
    - The Creator
    - God
    - The Almighty
    etc.
  • wkfan
    sleeper;1813878 wrote:Ah, so you're one of those people who think miscarriages should be involuntary manslaughter.
    Nope....
  • sleeper
    wkfan;1813883 wrote:Nope....
    Why not? You just said the cluster of cells is an unborn child therefore a miscarriage would be involuntary manslaughter.

    Just using your own logic against you. Let me know when you want to accept reality and concede.
  • sleeper
    CenterBHSFan;1813881 wrote:That is a ridiculous misconstruing and you know it XD
    It's about as ridiculous as believing potential for life is the same as actual life.

    The SCOTUS has ruled on this time and time again. Time for the religious whack jobs to accept reality.
  • QuakerOats
    sleeper;1813873 wrote:The ability to make her own health and life choices.
    I see; what about the rights of the innocent unborn; she answers for them too I guess.

    Nuts.
  • wkfan
    sleeper;1813886 wrote:Why not? You just said the cluster of cells is an unborn child therefore a miscarriage would be involuntary manslaughter.

    Just using your own logic against you. Let me know when you want to accept reality and concede.
    Yes, that 'cluster of cells' IS an unborn child....but you are realllllllllllllllllllly stretching, as usual, to try to make a point.....and missing by a wide margin.

    You are trying to use logic....and failing because your argument is completely illogical.

    You lose.
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1813851 wrote:hes a nutbag

    I guess if you are not a progressive/Marxist baby killer you are a nutbag ......... wonderful.
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1813832 wrote:Watched the highlights of the debate... my only question is... why does Trump and Pence think they can deny what Trump has said.

    Why does Clinton and Kaine think they can deny what Clinton has done?
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1813893 wrote:I see; what about the rights of the innocent unborn; she answers for them too I guess.

    Nuts.
    They have no rights just like your sperm doesn't have any rights either.

    Reality! Something the GOP seems to be lacking.
  • sleeper
    wkfan;1813894 wrote:Yes, that 'cluster of cells' IS an unborn child....but you are realllllllllllllllllllly stretching, as usual, to try to make a point.....and missing by a wide margin.

    You are trying to use logic....and failing because your argument is completely illogical.

    You lose.
    I'm not stretching. A cluster of cells does not have any rights. Reality!
  • Heretic
    QuakerOats;1813895 wrote:I guess if you are not a progressive/Marxist baby killer you are a nutbag ......... wonderful.
    THE FFFEEEEEELLLLLZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!
  • bases_loaded
    sleeper;1813873 wrote:The ability to make her own health and life choices.
    He wasn't denying the ability to get an abortion as much as he was saying the state shouldn't pay for said abortion right?
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    superman;1813869 wrote:The nerve of him. What kind of asshole tries to make it harder on women to kill babies. Shame on him.
    Well when you're on the wrong side of the Supreme Court, you're not usually right.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1813906 wrote:Well when you're on the wrong side of the Supreme Court, you're not usually right.
    Especially after HRC nominates 4 liberal justices to sit on the court for 40 years.

    But they wanted Trump!
  • O-Trap
    wkfan;1813876 wrote:Hmmmm...health and safety.....

    Certainly not for the unborn child.

    Convenience, yes. Health and safety....not often.
    If we assume that personhood (and, subsequently, rights) begin at conception, then we're dealing with two independent persons. Neither of them is owed the right to the use of the other one's body for any reason. Even if one cannot survive without the use of the other one's body, it still doesn't give the former the right to it.
    sleeper;1813877 wrote:The right to make their own health choices is the most important human right. To deny this right to women is reprehensible in a civilized society.
    Easy. I wasn't defending him.
    CenterBHSFan;1813882 wrote:You've just described everybody from the writers of the Constitution to President Washington all the way through each Presidency to Barack Obama.

    In context:
    - Providence
    - The Creator
    - God
    - The Almighty
    etc.
    Deism is not really religion.
    wkfan;1813894 wrote:Yes, that 'cluster of cells' IS an unborn child....but you are realllllllllllllllllllly stretching, as usual, to try to make a point.....and missing by a wide margin.

    You are trying to use logic....and failing because your argument is completely illogical.

    You lose.
    Actually, the proof is on the affirmative claim. So, if you suggest that a zygote is a person, it falls on you to demonstrate that it is using quantifiable facts or logically sound constructs ... or some combination thereof.
    QuakerOats;1813895 wrote:I guess if you are not a progressive/Marxist baby killer you are a nutbag ......... wonderful.
    Who said anything about Marxism?
    sleeper;1813910 wrote:But they wanted Trump!
    I HAVE to imagine that there are at least some Republicans who recognize how badly they whiffed here. Not that I care for them, but Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, and possibly even that assbag John Kasich would have fared better.
  • bases_loaded
    When you say "they" you mean the voters right? Unlike the DNC the GOP isn't into election fixing.
  • O-Trap
    bases_loaded;1813916 wrote:When you say "they" you mean the voters right? Unlike the DNC the GOP isn't into election fixing.
    Yes.
  • Belly35
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1813832 wrote:Watched the highlights of the debate... my only question is... why does Trump and Pence think they can deny what Trump has said. It's 2016. there's audio and video of everything. You look like an idiot when you deny stuff that you're recorded doing.
    the same can be said about Hillary... But let's not for get e mail communication, FBI investigate reports, doj document.... Oh my
  • sleeper
    I HAVE to imagine that there are at least some Republicans who recognize how badly they whiffed here. Not that I care for them, but Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, and possibly even that assbag John Kasich would have fared better.
    Sure there are some but they are the minority.

    GOP deserves to lose this election to the most corrupt US politician in history. The only plus side is we won't have to worry about religious whackjobs on the SCOTUS for the next 40 years. I, for one, welcome our first female President.
  • bases_loaded
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  • superman
    Sleeper: Abortion is a woman's right and bring able to make health choices is the most basic human right. Votes for the party that wants the government to take over Healthcare. Fucking retard.
  • Con_Alma
    O-Trap;1813911 wrote:If we assume that personhood (and, subsequently, rights) begin at conception, then we're dealing with two independent persons. Neither of them is owed the right to the use of the other one's body for any reason. Even if one cannot survive without the use of the other one's body, it still doesn't give the former the right to it. ...
    If you are assuming personhood at conception there are other legal "duties" in place on the parent including but not limited to basic care. Failing to provide such care can lead to neglect and or abuse in most States.

    I don't think assuming personhood at conception is the right approach to take with regard to justifying abortion based on not having rights to one's body....unless there's some other way the parent can provide basic care at that stage.