Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)
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like_that
I think the Dems will have their own type of tea party shake up in the next 2-8 years coming from the Bernie people and BLM. That's my bold prediction. Both groups are going to cost them seats, just like the tea party did for the GOP.sleeper;1813036 wrote:It's an almost guarantee that we will have a GOP lead Congress for the foreseeable future. I doubt HRC gets anything done which is why I'm rationalized that its okay to vote for her.
It's funny (or sad), because this was said after 2012 too and look what we have.Automatik;1813038 wrote:GOP has 4 years to revamp and get with the fucking times. Let's hope it happens.
I'll be surprised if Hillary can make it 4 years in office. 8? I highly doubt it. -
CenterBHSFan
I'm not exactly sure what "get with the times" means. Does it mean to be more like Europe? More like the democrats? More vanilla? What? -
Automatik
Don't be concerned with same sex marriage, religion in public schools, government decisions based on religion, etc.
A great first step for the party would to just say fuck off to everything related to religion. -
sleeper
This x1000000.Automatik;1813041 wrote:Don't be concerned with same sex marriage, religion in public schools, government decisions based on religion, etc.
A great first step for the party would to just say fuck off to everything relating to religion. -
CenterBHSFan
I actually would have thought that that would be the least of your worries with everything that is going on nowadays. Don't worry, nobody will force you to buy Bibles lol
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O-Trap
The only time I can think of where that worked AND was true got a man elected who was better as a former president than he was a president.Heretic;1813000 wrote:I wonder if anyone with an IQ above room temperature actually believes the "Real, hard-working people support our candidate; out of touch fat-cats support their candidate" rhetoric that always comes up despite how the barest application of logic dictates that both sides are supported by people from virtually all walks of life.
I even agree with this. The United States is a Constitutional Republic with democratic nuances. That "Constitutional" part contains, in the First Amendment, a freedom of religion that Jefferson explained as requiring a chasm between the state's reach and the church's reach.Automatik;1813041 wrote:A great first step for the party would to just say fuck off to everything related to religion.
If the two just left each other the hell alone, things would be far smoother. Fewer people would get pissed at religious institutions, and there would be less fear of government "taking our religious rights" or "being overrun by Sharia Law." -
Automatik
You nailed it and you don't even realize it. I'm not worried or concerned about it. The GOP should follow suit. Let them focus on the more important issues.CenterBHSFan;1813045 wrote:I actually would have thought that that would be the least of your worries with everything that is going on nowadays. Don't worry, nobody will force you to buy Bibles lol -
bases_loaded
The GOP has a candidate only focused on the economy and putting America first. Where's all the bullshit social issues you say he's focused on? Other than pointing out the race relations at this problem are ignored by the party in power Trump has done a great job of focusing on things that matter.
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Automatik
I'm referring to the next GOP candidate who will attempt to beat Hillary in 2020.
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bases_loaded
Why not just make marriages a church thing only and civil unions a government thing? In other words civil unions are done your marriage license and marriages happen in the church. Marriage just symbolic and carry no tax incentives and the civil union is a certificate you pick up at the court house of license bureau whatever. Win freaking win
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BoatShoes
I just can't believe that you believe Trump could save the country. If Obama destroyed the nation as much as you say that buffoon isn't up to the task. OH yeah and he is to the left of Bernie Sanders on the quintessential issue for what used to be conservatism - free trade and liberalized markets.QuakerOats;1813019 wrote:As you know, the crossovers and independents put Trump over the top, not the GOP. But that's ok, Trump may save the GOP from itself and other establishment elites, by saving the country from completely going over the cliff.
I don't even get why you want him to win. It is like rooting for tOSH to go to the national championship with a complete buffoon as a coach knowing they will lower the standing of the Big Ten and get crushed by Bama all because you hate Michigan - who maybe cheats in recruiting and is corrupt but at least is not a complete disaster. -
BoatShoes
Because gays want the equal protection of the law and Christians made marriage licenses a thing to exclude people from marriage. For ducks sake this issue is over and the world is the exact same for all the married Christians. Stahp!bases_loaded;1813056 wrote:Why not just make marriages a church thing only and civil unions a government thing? In other words civil unions are done your marriage license and marriages happen in the church. Marriage just symbolic and carry no tax incentives and the civil union is a certificate you pick up at the court house of license bureau whatever. Win freaking win
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But be my guest to lead the charge to privatize marriage contracts...then polygamist divorces can bog down the common pleas courts instead.
The Family Research Council wants socialist marriage for men and women with the gays excluded. Good luck with your movement. -
BoatShoes
He is the most socialist/protectionist/anti-traditional-conservatism candidate on trade, free movement of capital and free movement of labor since the Era of Good Feelings but he is somehow favored by the party that was for free markets and trade liberalization. Amazing.bases_loaded;1813052 wrote:The GOP has a candidate only focused on the economy and putting America first. Where's all the bullshit social issues you say he's focused on? Other than pointing out the race relations at this problem are ignored by the party in power Trump has done a great job of focusing on things that matter.
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BoatShoes
I wouldn't count Trump out yet just because Hillary is so weak...and that is saying something...really amazing 45 million people will vote for him even when so many know he is not up to the job.Automatik;1813038 wrote:GOP has 4 years to revamp and get with the fucking times. Let's hope it happens.
I'll be surprised if Hillary can make it 4 years in office. 8? I highly doubt it. -
BoatShoes
I think Paul Ryan would beat Hillary in 2020. If I am the GOP I go with him and stop with all those other pretenders.Automatik;1813053 wrote:I'm referring to the next GOP candidate who will attempt to beat Hillary in 2020.
But oh wait he is for free trade, immigration reform and amnesty...everything Trump vehemently ran against when could actually string sentences together. -
BoatShoes
If the GOP became the purely pro-business party while the dems move away from being the "pro-worker party" and toward the "social justice warrior identity politics party" the GOP will dominate.Automatik;1813041 wrote:Don't be concerned with same sex marriage, religion in public schools, government decisions based on religion, etc.
A great first step for the party would to just say fuck off to everything related to religion.
Now the GOP has the worst of both worlds because evangelicals are hilariously carrying trump and trump has brought worker protectionism in to displace pro-business policy. -
O-Trap
It would be ideal to just NGAF who promises to only touch whose peen, but I think we're too far down the road for what you suggest to be a reality. Any two (or eighteen) people could have the contract legally. Any restrictions could be privately held.bases_loaded;1813056 wrote:Why not just make marriages a church thing only and civil unions a government thing? In other words civil unions are done your marriage license and marriages happen in the church. Marriage just symbolic and carry no tax incentives and the civil union is a certificate you pick up at the court house of license bureau whatever. Win freaking win
Also, his personal track record suggests he's hardly a bastion of the moral, family-oriented high road.BoatShoes;1813069 wrote:He is the most socialist/protectionist/anti-traditional-conservatism candidate on trade, free movement of capital and free movement of labor since the Era of Good Feelings but he is somehow favored by the party that was for free markets and trade liberalization. Amazing.
I'm not sure someone could have scripted the GOP side of this election.BoatShoes;1813073 wrote:Now the GOP has the worst of both worlds because evangelicals are hilariously carrying trump and trump has brought worker protectionism in to displace pro-business policy. -
like_that
The partisan sheep will always fall in line to vote for their part.BoatShoes;1813071 wrote:I think Paul Ryan would beat Hillary in 2020. If I am the GOP I go with him and stop with all those other pretenders.
But oh wait he is for free trade, immigration reform and amnesty...everything Trump vehemently ran against when could actually string sentences together. -
bases_loaded
The election isn't won by R or D.like_that;1813077 wrote:The partisan sheep will always fall in line to vote for their part. -
rocketalum
Exactly the same for me. I was actually still leaning toward Gary Johnson until just recently but have come to conclusion that Trump just can't become President and even though I'll throw up in my mouth a bit when I pull the lever for Hillary, knowing that it's cancelling out some Trump supporters vote is enough to help me get over it.sleeper;1813028 wrote:Same here. I'd vote for almost anyone to keep HRC out of office except for Donald Trump(probably Cruz too if I'm being honest).
Actually if it was Cruz, I'd vote Johnson but since it's Trump, I'll happily vote for HRC knowing it will keep the clown out of office. -
QuakerOats
I did the compare/contrast thing on all the major issues that are critical to our ability to survive. I was very specific. You can page back for your refresher course.BoatShoes;1813067 wrote:I just can't believe that you believe Trump could save the country. -
Automatik
Survive!
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oh god! I pray we can survive!QuakerOats;1813091 wrote:I did the compare/contrast thing on all the major issues that are critical to our ability to survive. I was very specific. You can page back for your refresher course. -
FatHobbit
I still don't think Trump has a legitimate shot but I am surprised by the number of Trump signs in my area. I realize I live in a rural area but the people around me don't usually put up political signs that I notice and there are a shit ton of signs. I think 75% of the houses here have Trump signs. -
ppaw1999
With so many legislators in the Republican party coming out against Trump I can see Trump having a hard time trying to getting anything done.sleeper;1813036 wrote:It's an almost guarantee that we will have a GOP lead Congress for the foreseeable future. I doubt HRC gets anything done which is why I'm rationalized that its okay to vote for her.