Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• bases_loaded

  

  So this makes 3...3 "sleeper" accounts.
• Heretic

  

  O-Trap;1806199 wrote:Believe it or not, no IPs match, sans one named Seventytimes7, which has 11 posts.

  Was azebra ever a regular member here, because this reminds me so much of him. Especially seeing the MJ vs. LBJ thread in Serious Business.
• QuakerOats

  Trump nailing it in his speech to the economic forum in Detroit where he is unveiling his economic policy.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1806205 wrote:Trump nailing it in his speech to the economic forum in Detroit where he is unveiling his economic policy.

  What policy?
  I didn't hear jack shit from him.
  So, he may issue an executive order on regulations, ok.
  His tax plan is very broad. He said he will come out with more specifics later, which I thought he was supposed to do today?
  He said Clinton would raise taxes on the middle class, which is false and he took her comments out of context.
  He criticized China for not having environmental regulations, and then said he would cut ours....ok.
  
  He also failed to address his trade dilemma, how to you not have tariffs impact the price of goods for regular Americans if he wants to pull out of these trade deals?
• O-Trap

  

  Heretic;1806203 wrote:Was azebra ever a regular member here, because this reminds me so much of him. Especially seeing the MJ vs. LBJ thread in Serious Business.

  I seem to remember him posting on here, but I just ran a search, and no posts from that user came up.
  
  However, he IS registered here as of April of this year, and it says he was last logged in on July 28th.
  
  And I think we do, indeed, have support for your theory back from 2011.
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?30652-How-to-be-an-annoying-douche&p=997622&viewfull=1#post997622
  

  Dr.Pizza;997622 wrote:jj sucks....the huddle couldnt handle aZeBrA

• Dr.Pizza

  

  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/donald-trump-economy-speech.html?_r=0
  
  here is an interesting read about trump that may chage some minds
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Dr.Pizza;1806209 wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/donald-trump-economy-speech.html?_r=0
  
  here is an interesting read about trump that may chage some minds

  Yeah, well the Chamber of Commerce, which normally follows the R point of view,
  "U.S. Chamber of Commerce provided counterprogramming on Twitter and said, “Under Trump’s trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs and a weaker economy.”
  So, yeah....
• Dr.Pizza

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1806210 wrote:Yeah, well the Chamber of Commerce, which normally follows the R point of view,
  "U.S. Chamber of Commerce provided counterprogramming on Twitter and said, “Under Trump’s trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs and a weaker economy.”
  So, yeah....

  Is anyone still listening to a thing to Chamber of commerce what they have to say? especially on twitter where Kim Kardash and Justin Beiber do all their talking haha. so reliable.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I'm all ears as to how Trump is not going to allow an increase in goods once he raises Tariffs since he is pulling out of all these trade deals.
  Would love to see how people are going to react to a Toyota or cell phone that increases 20-30% in price.
• Heretic

  

  O-Trap;1806208 wrote:I seem to remember him posting on here, but I just ran a search, and no posts from that user came up.
  
  However, he IS registered here as of April of this year, and it says he was last logged in on July 28th.
  
  And I think we do, indeed, have support for your theory back from 2011.
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?30652-How-to-be-an-annoying-douche&p=997622&viewfull=1#post997622

  BOOM!!!
• Dr.Pizza

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1806214 wrote:I'm all ears as to how Trump is not going to allow an increase in goods once he raises Tariffs since he is pulling out of all these trade deals.
  Would love to see how people are going to react to a Toyota or cell phone that increases 20-30% in price.

  there is no evidence that that is what he wants to have happen. Once those products are american made, guess who gets cheaper products and is getting better jobs. Americans, thats who. This sounds like something straight of msnbc talking point. all talk with little substance would make a good slogan for msnbc. Any articles or sources to back up these claims,
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I'm just going to not even bother...
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Dr.Pizza;1806219 wrote:there is no evidence that that is what he wants to have happen. Once those products are american made, guess who gets cheaper products and is getting better jobs. Americans, thats who. This sounds like something straight of msnbc talking point. all talk with little substance would make a good slogan for msnbc. Any articles or sources to back up these claims,

  Basic Macro economics says prices will rise.
  It will take time for those cheaper American products to be made. You cannot just pop up a new factory line for a tech good now a days.
  As for sources, two not from the left.
  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432462/donald-trump-protectionist-tariffs-hurt-working-class
  http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-tariff-party-1467240379
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Dr.Pizza;1806219 wrote:there is no evidence that that is what he wants to have happen. Once those products are american made, guess who gets cheaper products and is getting better jobs. Americans, thats who. This sounds like something straight of msnbc talking point. all talk with little substance would make a good slogan for msnbc. Any articles or sources to back up these claims,

  I take it back. I AM going to bother.
  
  In order for more products to be made in the US, you'd have to put a huge wall around the unions. Union made products is what keeps industry going for several areas of business. Who is going to tell unions (any union) that they can no longer make $____ per hour, plus benefits, plus dynamic vacations and pensions, personal days, "occurences", unpaid leave days, etc?
  In order to have all of the above and more, you're going to have to sell your product at a higher price. You're not going to get cheaper cars, cell phones, jeans (or any textiles), etc.
• Dr.Pizza

  

  wall street journal is a liberal rag and i will not click that!
  Im am really impressed as im sure everyone else that you can type words like Macro economics and make it sound smart like you know what youre talking about. That is one reason why i cant stand the left liberals is because they use words above there own heads to make it look like they know what they are talking about. J
• CenterBHSFan

  

  No words.
• Dr.Pizza

  

  CenterBHSFan;1806226 wrote:No words.

  sorry i missed your comment but will respond
• bases_loaded

  

  I missed it. So I clicked on this article...talk about burying the lead. I'll have to dig deeper I guess or take P-towns word for it.
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-outline-economic-policy-seeks-regain-momentum-100253377--sector.html
• Dr.Pizza

  

  CenterBHSFan;1806223 wrote:I take it back. I AM going to bother.
  
  In order for more products to be made in the US, you'd have to put a huge wall around the unions. Union made products is what keeps industry going for several areas of business. Who is going to tell unions (any union) that they can no longer make $____ per hour, plus benefits, plus dynamic vacations and pensions, personal days, "occurences", unpaid leave days, etc?
  In order to have all of the above and more, you're going to have to sell your product at a higher price. You're not going to get cheaper cars, cell phones, jeans (or any textiles), etc.

  What have unions done for americans besides create entitled people who want everything done for them. Pretty sure my grandparents and your grandpas didnt have unions and they built this country along with there grandparents too. Teachers unions have created lazy teachers who sit at a desk and collect pay and arent they are not educating kids. But rest asured that those same teachers get all upset when changes come down the pipes that make it more challenging for them when actually it means they have to do there job. I for one am happy to pay an extra couple dollars knowing im buying a product made by the hands of a hard working man in a factory in Davenport, iowa or Camden, Tennessee or even Cleveland. So many run down factories that could be making products here. Your choice though,
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1806207 wrote:What policy?
  I didn't hear jack shit from him.
  So, he may issue an executive order on regulations, ok.
  His tax plan is very broad. He said he will come out with more specifics later, which I thought he was supposed to do today?
  He said Clinton would raise taxes on the middle class, which is false and he took her comments out of context.
  He criticized China for not having environmental regulations, and then said he would cut ours....ok.
  
  He also failed to address his trade dilemma, how to you not have tariffs impact the price of goods for regular Americans if he wants to pull out of these trade deals?

  Maximum 15% corp tax rate
  Tax break on repatriation of foreign earnings
  Eliminate estate tax
  Reduce personal tax rates and also the number of brackets
  Deduct all child care expenses
  Cut regulations (including a moratorium on any new reg's)
  Eliminate job-killing bureaucrats
  
  Just a few of the specifics that you refuse to acknowledge, but will obviously go a long way in turning the economy around. {and yes, our trade deals suck; we can do soooo much better}
• bases_loaded

  

  I of course had to go to breitbart to get any sort of journalistic integrity on the issue.
  
  I posted it before, but Hillary is raising taxes on the middle class...unless I all of a sudden am no longer middle class and if that is true then our country really is up a creek without a paddle.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/08/donald-trumps-economic-plan-want-jump-start-america/
• Dr.Pizza

  

  QuakerOats;1806231 wrote:Maximum 15% corp tax rate
  Tax break on repatriation of foreign earnings
  Eliminate estate tax
  Reduce personal tax rates and also the number of brackets
  Deduct all child care expenses
  Cut regulations (including a moratorium on any new reg's)
  Eliminate job-killing bureaucrats
  
  Just a few of the specifics that you refuse to acknowledge, but will obviously go a long way in turning the economy around. {and yes, our trade deals suck; we can do soooo much better}

  could not have said this better myself. But people like to look at trump on the surface and the rough edges and yeah hes got them but who doesnt?
• QuakerOats

  This sums it up fairly well:
  
  
  'The city of Detroit is the living, breathing example of my opponent's failed economic agenda,' Trump said. 'Every policy that has failed this city, and so many others, is a policy supported by Hillary Clinton.'
  
  'She supports the high taxes and radical regulation that forced jobs out of your community, and the crime policies have made you far, far less safe, and the immigration policies that have strained local budgets, and the trade deals like NAFTA, signed by her husband, that have shipped your jobs to Mexico and other countries.'
  
  'And she supports the education policies that deny your students choice, freedom and opportunity,' he continued, to wild applause.
  'She is the candidate of the past. Ours is the campaign of the future.'
  
  
  
• Heretic

  

  bases_loaded;1806234 wrote:I of course had to go to breitbart to get any sort of journalistic integrity on the issue.
  
  I posted it before, but Hillary is raising taxes on the middle class...unless I all of a sudden am no longer middle class and if that is true then our country really is up a creek without a paddle.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/08/donald-trumps-economic-plan-want-jump-start-america/

  Breitbart has as much integrity as Gawker, lol.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1806231 wrote:Maximum 15% corp tax rate
  Tax break on repatriation of foreign earnings
  Eliminate estate tax
  Reduce personal tax rates and also the number of brackets
  Deduct all child care expenses
  Cut regulations (including a moratorium on any new reg's)
  Eliminate job-killing bureaucrats
  
  Just a few of the specifics that you refuse to acknowledge, but will obviously go a long way in turning the economy around. {and yes, our trade deals suck; we can do soooo much better}

  That is not really new stuff. He has tweaked his tax plan and ok wants to decrease the child one., Great. How the hell does he get it through Congress?
  What are the mechanisms for all the others, how will they work?
  Speaking of taxes, will he release his tax form any time soon?
  
  But, again, he has to lay out how he would offset any tariff increases if he pulls out of deals.
  How is he going to stop goods from increasing in price from tariff if he pulls out of a free trade deal or starts a trade war?
  I am just amazed at the party of free trade has suddenly turned on it. It is like the whole Republican orthodoxy on free trade since the 1980s has vanished.
  
  

  bases_loaded;1806234 wrote:I of course had to go to breitbart to get any sort of journalistic integrity on the issue.

  Sweet Jesus, save me.