Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)
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Con_Alma...annnnnnd the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee just confirmed they were hacked resulting in a breach similar to the manner the DNC was hit.
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gut
Well, yeah. That's why money is such a big factor. Millions of voters make up their minds based on those tv ads. Trump is doing as well as he is mainly because he has as much recognition as Hillary, and because Hillary is so unpopular/polarizing.O-Trap;1804972 wrote:If nothing else, this is evidence that marketing is more important than actual substance in elections.
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gut
But was that to vote for Trump, or to oppose him? He got less than 50% of the Repub votes. Even if he did turn out the base/primary voter a little better, his chances hinge on the Repub voters than don't turn out for primaries and also independents.QuakerOats;1804971 wrote:Record numbers turned out in the primary.
For context, it will take 60M+ votes to win this election (In 2012, Obama got 66M, Romney 61M). In the primaries, Trump got 13.3M out of 28.6M votes. Granted, Romney only took 9.8M of 18.5M in 2012. -
bases_loaded
Trump's record number of votes could be record numbers of democrats switching to make sure he was the candidate. What is impressive is his ability to run his campaign and drive his base through platforms designed by the left to do the same. -
O-Trap
Very true. Were this a different year, and Trump was running against a likeable or charismatic candidate, I would be far more confident in hedging my bets against him. Not only does he have the advertising experience, but he's got the ideal opponent. The deck is stacked in his favor as much as possible at this point in the election.gut;1804977 wrote:Well, yeah. That's why money is such a big factor. Millions of voters make up their minds based on those tv ads. Trump is doing as well as he is mainly because he has as much recognition as Hillary, and because Hillary is so unpopular/polarizing. -
QuakerOats
All valid points.gut;1804980 wrote:But was that to vote for Trump, or to oppose him? He got less than 50% of the Repub votes. Even if he did turn out the base/primary voter a little better, his chances hinge on the Repub voters than don't turn out for primaries and also independents.
For context, it will take 60M+ votes to win this election (In 2012, Obama got 66M, Romney 61M). In the primaries, Trump got 13.3M out of 28.6M votes. Granted, Romney only took 9.8M of 18.5M in 2012.
At the end of the day, the problem is not going to be so much that Clinton is a corrupt lying criminal; the real problem is she actually has supporters that don't care. Hopefully Trump can lessen the number of such supporters. -
Crimson streak
Hillary is in town tonight here, holding a rally 3 blocks from my house. I'll be sure to give her the respectable middle finger salute when she passes by my house
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QuakerOatsCrimson streak;1804999 wrote:Hillary is in town tonight here, holding a rally 3 blocks from my house. I'll be sure to give her the respectable middle finger salute when she passes by my house
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O-Trap
I'd be curious to know how many people she actually draws. I've heard reports that the majority of the DNC was surprisingly thin.Crimson streak;1804999 wrote:Hillary is in town tonight here, holding a rally 3 blocks from my house. I'll be sure to give her the respectable middle finger salute when she passes by my house
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ZWICK 4 PREZ
Something anecdotal, but I'll share nonetheless. A was talking to a girl at work today who asked if I stayed up to watch Hillary's speech. I told her I didn't and hadn't read anything about it yet. She told me she was on the fence about who to vote for before. Didn't like Trump and how immature he was but also didn't like what she heard about Hillary and how you couldn't trust her. But she said after her speech lastnight she's voting for Hillary now. This girl doesn't really have many political beliefs so she's one of the swing voters both sides are looking for. I wonder how many independent women voters hillary picked up lastnight like her. -
like_that
My guess is she will sway her opinion numerous times before November if it's that easy to sway her.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805010 wrote:Something anecdotal, but I'll share nonetheless. A was talking to a girl at work today who asked if I stayed up to watch Hillary's speech. I told her I didn't and hadn't read anything about it yet. She told me she was on the fence about who to vote for before. Didn't like Trump and how immature he was but also didn't like what she heard about Hillary and how you couldn't trust her. But she said after her speech lastnight she's voting for Hillary now. This girl doesn't really have many political beliefs so she's one of the swing voters both sides are looking for. I wonder how many independent women voters hillary picked up lastnight like her. -
iclfan2
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majorspark
Pure emotion. How could anyone logically believe or be moved by the words of a pathological liar? I am sure there are many like her.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805010 wrote:Something anecdotal, but I'll share nonetheless. A was talking to a girl at work today who asked if I stayed up to watch Hillary's speech. I told her I didn't and hadn't read anything about it yet. She told me she was on the fence about who to vote for before. Didn't like Trump and how immature he was but also didn't like what she heard about Hillary and how you couldn't trust her. But she said after her speech lastnight she's voting for Hillary now. This girl doesn't really have many political beliefs so she's one of the swing voters both sides are looking for. I wonder how many independent women voters hillary picked up lastnight like her. -
gut
Same effect Trump got after his convention. Didn't the polls move like 7 points?majorspark;1805014 wrote:Pure emotion. How could anyone logically believe or be moved by the words of a pathological liar? I am sure there are many like her.
I really want to see what happens if Gary Johnson gets in the debate and the 50%+ of voters that don't like either candidate realize there's a third choice... -
like_that
Sounds like hillarys campaign was hacked [emoji23].
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gut
Too bad Lois Lerner got shit-canned or we'd probably have Trump's tax returns alreadylike_that;1805019 wrote:Sounds like hillarys campaign was hacked [emoji23]. -
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My guess is being a woman, she's more likely to be moved by Hillary than Trump so I don't see a lot of flip flopping amongst neutral women.like_that;1805011 wrote:My guess is she will sway her opinion numerous times before November if it's that easy to sway her. -
like_that
Doubt Trump influences her. More damaging leaks however....ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805034 wrote:My guess is being a woman, she's more likely to be moved by Hillary than Trump so I don't see a lot of flip flopping amongst neutral women. -
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Ahhhh. Yeah I can see that.like_that;1805037 wrote:Doubt Trump influences her. More damaging leaks however.... -
iclfan2
People voting based on gender is the dumbest thing ever
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gut
Well....that's women for yaiclfan2;1805040 wrote:People voting based on gender is the dumbest thing ever -
superman
That's all that the Dems have left. Identity politics. Obama only got elected because he was the first black president, now they push the woman narrative. I'm sure the next candidate they put forth will be gay or trans. I doubt that i will see another straight white male win the democratic nomination in my lifetimeiclfan2;1805040 wrote:People voting based on gender is the dumbest thing ever
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sleeper
The speech was average at best.ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805010 wrote:Something anecdotal, but I'll share nonetheless. A was talking to a girl at work today who asked if I stayed up to watch Hillary's speech. I told her I didn't and hadn't read anything about it yet. She told me she was on the fence about who to vote for before. Didn't like Trump and how immature he was but also didn't like what she heard about Hillary and how you couldn't trust her. But she said after her speech lastnight she's voting for Hillary now. This girl doesn't really have many political beliefs so she's one of the swing voters both sides are looking for. I wonder how many independent women voters hillary picked up lastnight like her.
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SportsAndLady
Next one will be a Muslim-American, no doubt about that one.superman;1805078 wrote:That's all that the Dems have left. Identity politics. Obama only got elected because he was the first black president, now they push the woman narrative. I'm sure the next candidate they put forth will be gay or trans. I doubt that i will see another straight white male win the democratic nomination in my lifetime -
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Wait.... You mean Barack HUSSIEN Obama isn't Muslim? That's literally all we've heard for the last 8 years!??!!?SportsAndLady;1805085 wrote:Next one will be a Muslim-American, no doubt about that one.