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  • queencitybuckeye
    QuakerOats;1805533 wrote:So he personally reads every contract for every rented venue in which he appears every day?
    The false accusations he made were a lie regardless.
  • Heretic
    QuakerOats;1805535 wrote:Perhaps if you take some of the things he jokes about or do not fully understand his brand of sarcasm, you could twist it into something that you want to call a lie. But lets be honest, what has he really lied about? I mean, Hillary's biggest weakness (beyond her criminality) is her serial lying. So in knowing that, is the left trying to somehow equate Trump with lying in order to neutralize her flawed character? Quite a reach.
    "He doesn't lie! He's just misunderstood! Except by me..."

    LOL, you have battered wife syndrome over Trump and it's only August.
  • QuakerOats
    O-Trap;1805511 wrote:If the modern day conservative politician were notably better, I'd completely agree. As it stands, I think the only advantage of keeping the SCOTUS near 50-50 is to allow for very little to get done, which is sad.



    Good lord, Belly.



    The latter was raised on a silver spoon, was gift-wrapped his first CEO position, and has failed in most non-real estate business ventures where he's been actively involved. He's been noted as exploiting the abhorrent tax system for his own personal gain while his businesses go belly-up and all those people he was employing lose their jobs. Beyond that, he's continually bullied himself out of legally binding obligations by threatening financially overwhelming legal processes.

    He's been corrupt, in short. He's a good businessman in the same way that Lance Armstrong is a good cyclist. He's not without a knack for it, but he's corrupt all the same.

    You're dead on in your description of Clinton, however.

    He had but 4 operations go through CH11, I believe. Given the vastness of his operations and the boom-to-bust nature of real estate over the last 30 years, it is easily understandable. (Has his challenger ever built anything, employed anyone, or paid corporate taxes?)

    All of us try to lessen our tax liabilities to the best of our abilities while abiding by the rules and interpreting gray areas advantageously. (Has he enriched himself by hundreds of millions through money-laundering and influence peddling as has his challenger?)

    He has obviously employed ten of thousands more employees than those who may have lost their job at one of the 4 operations that underwent Chapter 11 restructuring. (Has his challenger ever employed anyone in the private sector?)

    Please provide the links or court records that prove he is corrupt. Any enterprise of any size always becomes embroiled in business disputes, legal spats, and contract issues at some point. It happens every day in the real world. (So I don't buy your broad brush in this instance .................unlike his challenger, who brings her well-known brand of corruption and criminality to the doorsteps of the taxpayers and American public ad nausea).

    And as aside, he does not drink or smoke or do drugs, unlike the current occupier of the White House, and Lance Armstrong et.al.
  • QuakerOats
    Heretic;1805537 wrote:"He doesn't lie! He's just misunderstood! Except by me..."

    LOL, you have battered wife syndrome over Trump and it's only August.

    I cannot help that you believe what you are spoon fed by the left-stream media. It just happens.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:He had but 4 operations go through CH11, I believe. Given the vastness of his operations and the boom-to-bust nature of real estate over the last 30 years, it is easily understandable. (Has his challenger ever built anything, employed anyone, or paid corporate taxes?)

    All of us try to lessen our tax liabilities to the best of our abilities while abiding by the rules and interpreting gray areas advantageously. (Has he enriched himself by hundreds of millions through money-laundering and influence peddling as has his challenger?)

    He has obviously employed ten of thousands more employees than those who may have lost their job at one of the 4 operations that underwent Chapter 11 restructuring. (Has his challenger ever employed anyone in the private sector?)

    Please provide the links or court records that prove he is corrupt. Any enterprise of any size always becomes embroiled in business disputes, legal spats, and contract issues at some point. It happens every day in the real world. (So I don't buy your broad brush in this instance .................unlike his challenger, who brings her well-known brand of corruption and criminality to the doorsteps of the taxpayers and American public ad nausea).

    And as aside, he does not drink or smoke or do drugs, unlike the current occupier of the White House, and Lance Armstrong et.al.
    what the fuck does that have to do with being a President lol
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805544 wrote:what the fuck does that have to do with being a President lol
    Obviously little, in your estimation. So let's elect another useful idiot such as the one currently occupying the WH who has never done a damn thing in the real world. Only this time let's go a step further and elect the most corrupt person to ever sniff the WH --- http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-foundation-drug-contracts-intersected-with-state-dept.-work/article/2598459

    One can only imagine the vastness of the corruption if she became prez; it would make third world dictators look like chicken feed.
  • Heretic
    QuakerOats;1805541 wrote:I cannot help that you believe what you are spoon fed by the left-stream media. It just happens.
    Lol.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1805547 wrote:Obviously little, in your estimation. So let's elect another useful idiot such as the one currently occupying the WH who has never done a damn thing in the real world. Only this time let's go a step further and elect the most corrupt person to ever sniff the WH --- http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-foundation-drug-contracts-intersected-with-state-dept.-work/article/2598459

    One can only imagine the vastness of the corruption if she became prez; it would make third world dictators look like chicken feed.
    Ronald Reagan was an actor and you guys cream your pants over the mere thought of him.
  • CenterBHSFan
    queencitybuckeye;1805517 wrote:Another example is his lie about not knowing about the capacity limit for his appearance at the convention center in Columbus. Claimed it was Democrat dirty tricks, when the truth was the capacity of the area he was renting was clearly spelled out in the contract.
    Did they show the contract? I just googled this incident and this is what I came up with: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3718763/Trump-blasts-fire-marshal-political-interference-thousands-left-outside-rally-despite-massive-spaces-inside.html

    The link above doesn't say anything about what the contract says or show any section of it. So, I will go with a "he said - he said" scenario.

    This link from the more recent snafu: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-fire-marshals-crowd-size/
    But the Columbus Fire Department rejected Trump's accusations, insisting it was simply ensuring the event's safety by keeping the crowd size below the 1,000-person capacity for the venue the campaign had agreed to rent.
    "All I can tell you is the venue's set up for 1,000 people, and I think there was just a big misunderstanding is what it was," Assistant Columbus Fire Chief Jim Cannell told CNN after the event. "There was a thousand people in here and once we reach capacity we can't let any more people in."
    So, I guess it's about what you choose to believe. Because this is a "he said - he said" situation, also.
  • CenterBHSFan
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:(Has his challenger ever built anything, employed anyone, or paid corporate taxes?)
    Yes. Hillary (and by extension, Bill) has hired many lawyers to keep their asses out of jail.
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805549 wrote:Ronald Reagan was an actor and you guys cream your pants over the mere thought of him.
    He was the governor of the largest state in the union; obviously you knew that.
  • QuakerOats
    CenterBHSFan;1805553 wrote:Yes. Hillary (and by extension, Bill) has hired many lawyers to keep their asses out of jail.

    Well done, sir.
  • Spock
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1805549 wrote:Ronald Reagan was an actor and you guys cream your pants over the mere thought of him.
    he was also a war hero. Thanks for making his point for him. RR was a real person and not a life long politician
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Spock;1805561 wrote:he was also a war hero. Thanks for making his point for him. RR was a real person and not a life long politician
    He did fucking motion pictures during the war. Is that a war hero?
    He also was a two term Governor of CA. So, while he was an actor, he was a politician for like 20 years before he assumed the Presidency.
    What a dumb ass of a comment. I am gone for a month and good to know the shit show of stupidity is still going on.


    Oh a larger note, WTF does having private sector experience have to do with the Presidency?
    You know what is more important: understanding how to run a large bureaucracy.
    Sure, private sector experience is nice, but does not mean jack shit when you are in charge of the large bureaucracy. And, guess what, Trump has ZERO experience with anything regarding how to run a bureaucracy.

    Trump will learn hard and fast he cannot do what he wants and make the wheels of bureaucracy turn fast. Dude needs to read and understand the James Q. Wilson book on Bureaucracy.
  • O-Trap
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:He had but 4 operations go through CH11, I believe. Given the vastness of his operations and the boom-to-bust nature of real estate over the last 30 years, it is easily understandable. (Has his challenger ever built anything, employed anyone, or paid corporate taxes?)
    I was excluding his real estate operations, which he's actually been pretty good with. Not as good as he makes himself out to be (he's not even a top-10 guy in NYC alone), but he obviously paid enough attention to what his dad did to make a killing at it. That's his wheelhouse. He should be staying in it, because he's essentially demonstrated himself to be "Rain Man." Largely incompetent outside that field.

    However, all those other things he tried getting his hand into, whether they filed for Chapter 11 or not, have been relatively unsuccessful.

    Trump Airlines never turned a profit. He defaulted on his loans for it. Never technically filed, but creditors took over ownership of his company because of his inability to pay his debts ... because certainly, we ought to put someone into office who has a history of irresponsibly managing debt.

    Trump Vodka? Another that didn't file, but closed its doors as a result of a "lack of interest." Doesn't look like his attempt to outdo Grey Goose worked out so well.

    Trump Casinos? Chapter 11.

    Trump Steaks? I don't even know what happened to that.

    Tried successfully branding a board game. Twice. Neither made it. Both were discontinued in under two years.

    Remember Trump Magazine? Nope. It was published for like a year and a half.

    His travel site, GoTrump.com? I remember this one. Even most digital marketers I spoke to about it said it wasn't going anywhere. He was trying to get into a saturated niche, and it required him to get an already-established name to back it (Travelocity, I think). I'm not even sure he renewed the domain name one time.

    Trump University? LOL

    Trump Mortgages? Failed primarily because he couldn't even properly vet the people to oversee operations. Lasted less than a couple years. This was in his wheelhouse, and he whiffed because of a simple matter of due diligence.

    How about his personal life? Successful in marriage? I should think not, and quite frankly, any Republican who turns a blind eye to his personal life and the lack of traditional values and ethics loses the right to pretend they care about a president being an ethical person.

    MOST of his business venture career has been a failure. The few things he's succeeded at, sans The Apprentice, have been properties themselves, and he's been able to leverage them heavily enough to do very well for himself. That is to his credit, but it doesn't make him a good bet in business outside real estate properties.
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:All of us try to lessen our tax liabilities to the best of our abilities while abiding by the rules and interpreting gray areas advantageously. (Has he enriched himself by hundreds of millions through money-laundering and influence peddling as has his challenger?)
    I don't know of any reason to believe he's laundered money. But as I said, he's used his influence and size to bully his way into not fulfilling his obligations, whether it's been defaulting on loans, giving the finger to small businesses he's worked with, or anything else.

    I didn't say anything about taxes. I don't fault him for avoiding paying taxes. Taxes are theft, anyway.
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:He has obviously employed ten of thousands more employees than those who may have lost their job at one of the 4 operations that underwent Chapter 11 restructuring. (Has his challenger ever employed anyone in the private sector?)
    As previously stated, many ... many ... more of his employees were laid off at the closing of the doors than just those which filed Chapter 11. The Chapter 11 filings don't even account for half his business failures.
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:Please provide the links or court records that prove he is corrupt. Any enterprise of any size always becomes embroiled in business disputes, legal spats, and contract issues at some point. It happens every day in the real world. (So I don't buy your broad brush in this instance .................unlike his challenger, who brings her well-known brand of corruption and criminality to the doorsteps of the taxpayers and American public ad nausea).
    You're moving the goalposts. Legally speaking, neither of them has been convicted of corruption. As it pertains to Clinton, you don't want that to matter. For Trump, you do. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    However, if you need evidence of unscrupulous activity, how about admitting to paying a corrupt politician for a favor? Would that work? He admitted to that in front of a live audience at the debates this year.

    How about his restaurant, Trump Steakhouse, trying to serve expired food? Would that work. It's a matter of public record. Forgot about that failed business, but it would qualify for the list above as well.

    Trump University? That entire venture was a model in corruption. It's been widely publicized, and much of it is a matter of public record ... particularly the lawsuits.

    I'm not saying his brand of corruption is the same as Clinton's, but to suggest he's not corrupt is naive.
    QuakerOats;1805539 wrote:And as aside, he does not drink or smoke or do drugs, unlike the current occupier of the White House, and Lance Armstrong et.al.
    He cheats on his wife and uses his financial largess to out-muscle small businesses into accepting less than the agreed-upon payment for services rendered, but hey, at least he's not lighting up a Camel or drinking Trump Vodka (oh, wait ... they're out of business).

    As for drugs, what drugs are you talking about?
  • like_that
    I see ptown the partisan coward has returned.
  • queencitybuckeye
    CenterBHSFan;1805552 wrote:Did they show the contract?
    https://mgtvwcmh.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/3137_001.pdf
    So, I guess it's about what you choose to believe. Because this is a "he said - he said" situation, also.
    It really isn't.
  • gut
    O-Trap;1805511 wrote:If the modern day conservative politician were notably better, I'd completely agree. As it stands, I think the only advantage of keeping the SCOTUS near 50-50 is to allow for very little to get done, which is sad.
    No, I don't want the SCOTUS pushing a liberal agenda that Dems can't get through Congress. I DO NOT want a liberal court. To me this is the actual real, big issue of this election.
  • O-Trap
    gut;1805577 wrote:No, I don't want the SCOTUS pushing a liberal agenda that Dems can't get through Congress. I DO NOT want a liberal court. To me this is the actual real, big issue of this election.
    When I said "near 50-50," I meant that to imply that the SCOTUS would be unable to do such a thing. I don't like the idea that the SCOTUS swings to either side, because I'm not so sure a Republican-heavy court is better than a Democrat-heavy court. They both seem like bad options.

    Much like this election.
  • QuakerOats
    ptown_trojans_1;1805568 wrote:He did fucking motion pictures during the war. Is that a war hero?
    He also was a two term Governor of CA. So, while he was an actor, he was a politician for like 20 years before he assumed the Presidency.
    What a dumb ass of a comment. I am gone for a month and good to know the shit show of stupidity is still going on.


    Oh a larger note, WTF does having private sector experience have to do with the Presidency?
    You know what is more important: understanding how to run a large bureaucracy.
    Sure, private sector experience is nice, but does not mean jack shit when you are in charge of the large bureaucracy. And, guess what, Trump has ZERO experience with anything regarding how to run a bureaucracy.

    Trump will learn hard and fast he cannot do what he wants and make the wheels of bureaucracy turn fast. Dude needs to read and understand the James Q. Wilson book on Bureaucracy.

    Welcome back. The show of stupidity is clearly emanating directly from those who continue to support the inept, corrupt, deceitful, serial lying, money-launderer for president; aka Hillary Clinton. That same person who supposedly supports 'women's rights' and denounces abusers and harassers, but for political expediency sticks with her man who is one of the biggest attackers and abusers in the public eye. She is so genuine.

    As for what private sector experience does for the presidency and managing a bureaucracy, well lets see, what have we gotten with the public sector experts: $20 trillion in debt, half of it from the expert public policy guru barack obama; completely out-of-control federal agencies with more regulatory rules and restrictions by the minute, all gifted to us by career politicians and bureaucrats; and a senseless tax system that is the pride and joy of the left and the bureaucrats and takers supported by it. Wow, what a great success story; a true testimony to the tremendous job of governing by the great ones who followed that public service path and served their nation oh so well.

    Give it a fucking rest, please. The bureaucracy needs to be systematically dismantled, and that will only happen from outside.
  • gut
    O-Trap;1805578 wrote:When I said "near 50-50," I meant that to imply that the SCOTUS would be unable to do such a thing. I don't like the idea that the SCOTUS swings to either side, because I'm not so sure a Republican-heavy court is better than a Democrat-heavy court. They both seem like bad options.

    Much like this election.
    A Conservative SCOTUS that takes a strict interpretation of the Constitution, or that that doesn't legislate from the bench....is not a Republican necessarily, but certainly would never be appointed by a Democrat.
  • O-Trap
    gut;1805583 wrote:A Conservative SCOTUS that takes a strict interpretation of the Constitution, or that that doesn't legislate from the bench....is not a Republican necessarily, but certainly would never be appointed by a Democrat.
    Agreed. I can't imagine a real conservative being appointed by most Republicans, either.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    Spock;1805561 wrote:he was also a war hero. Thanks for making his point for him.
    Lolwut
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1805558 wrote:He was the governor of the largest state in the union; obviously you knew that.
    And Obama was a senator. Obviously you knew that. How many hotels did Reagan build. How many people did his company employ? How many dollars in corporate taxes did he pay. You know.... Since that's important to you now.
  • QuakerOats
    He was an absent senator, for what, 2 years. He is a community activist and a lawyer; probably the two things we need the least. And as you know, a senator comes from a different branch of government than a governor or president. As for President Reagan, his values, beliefs and record speak for themselves.