Hillary Clinton

• QuakerOats

  http://observer.com/2016/02/how-the-dnc-helps-clinton-buy-off-superdelegates/
  
  
  
  oh, the irony
• FatHobbit

  

  BR1986FB;1782161 wrote:At this point, I don't know what to think.
  
  I'm more in the middle In my beliefs and I'm a pretty simple man. Don't tax the shit out of me for a bunch of worthless freeloaders and keep my country safe. I don't give a shit if you smoke as much weed as you want (legalize it) and I don't give a shit about abortion.
  
  What turns me off are lying pieces of shit (Hillary) and whack jobs (Bernie & Trump). I can't stand the overzealous extreme liberals who will only vote Democrat because "well, I'm liberal!" Can't stand the righteous over the top Bible thumping Republicans either.
  
  Just keep my country safe, which I don't think Trump can do and I KNOW Hillary/Bernie CAN'T do....and don't tax the shit out of me, which I KNOW Bernie will do.

  This is pretty much how I feel. I can't decide if I like Hillary or Trump less.
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1782161 wrote:At this point, I don't know what to think.
  
  I'm more in the middle In my beliefs and I'm a pretty simple man. Don't tax the shit out of me for a bunch of worthless freeloaders and keep my country safe. I don't give a shit if you smoke as much weed as you want (legalize it) and I don't give a shit about abortion.
  
  What turns me off are lying pieces of shit (Hillary) and whack jobs (Bernie & Trump). I can't stand the overzealous extreme liberals who will only vote Democrat because "well, I'm liberal!" Can't stand the righteous over the top Bible thumping Republicans either.
  
  Just keep my country safe, which I don't think Trump can do and I KNOW Hillary/Bernie CAN'T do....and don't tax the shit out of me, which I KNOW Bernie will do.

  This is me, as well.
• gut

  See, I still don't think Trump can get a majority nomination....BUT he could possibly take a plurality if Rubio and Cruz continue to split the remainder (assuming everyone else drops out very shortly). I'm actually not sure if Cruz is better than Trump.
  
  Obama ripping into Trump is a pretty clear sign he's hoping Trump gets the nomination.
• majorspark

  

  Hillary trailing Bernie by 3 nationally.
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-clinton-feels-bern-trails-sanders-by-three-points-nationally.html?intcmp=hpbt1
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Heretic;1782157 wrote:You're the only one bringing up your writing skills this time; it didn't take much reasoning ability to figure out his post was stating that diplomat-dude wrote what he felt to be a compelling argument policy-wise in support of and that if you wrote one against, he would take your word as a decorated veteran. Since there is a bit of difference between making a compelling argument and simply tossing out the same buzz-words time and time again.

  Correct.
  

  like_that;1782120 wrote:lol whatever you say. Your posts scream denial. Just like you are an Obama apologist, you are now becoming a Hillary apologist. This whole thread is pretty much proving Hillary is a POS. Hell, even the left isn't sure about Hillary. Don't believe me, look at the polls. She is neck and neck with a fucking socialist LOL. Yet, you want to go out of your way to post an endorsement that will most likely be overshadowed by everything in the media in the grand scheme of things. Do you actually need an endorsement to help decide your vote, or are you just posting that to feel better about voting for Hillary? You parade his accolades, yet you dismiss Belly's (regardless of his posting behavior), because he disagrees with you. You want to parade this endorsement, yet the people who are actually close to Hillary every day, putting their lives on the line for her have unfavorable things to say about her. Somehow these people don't matter, because the SS has screwed up here and there (most likely not Hillary related either). Just like most government agencies and employees screw up here and there but you will take their word for it if it supports Hillary. Yeah, excuse me while I LMAO when you say you are not in denial.

  Ok, where to start. This may be a long one.
  
  First, I am not an Obama apologist. One this board, with all the posters to the right, it appears I am. I actually think the President has screwed up a numbers of things, the Healthcare law, his relations with Congress, the way he manages his NSC staff, Syria, North Korea (then again no one has gotten this right), Iraq post 2014, and Afghanistan to a certain degree. But, in the echo chamber of Obama can do no right, it appears I am lock step with him.
  
  I actually am not a support of Clinton, if anyone, I kinda like Rubio at this point. But, I gotta see more on how advises him and how he plays out in a general election, if he makes it that far. In a general, if it is Trump or Crus v. Clinton, I will take Clinton, again, because at least I know what I am getting.
  
  The post was in reference to how a diplomat from the W administration has decided to come out for Clinton and not for any other R. That to me, is big, as it shows that even someone from another administration, and a former State Department person, has thrown his support behind Clinton. It may not matter in the media driven culture, but to add nuance to the narrative, I posted it. I don’t’ need an endorsement to make a decision, but it does help to know how experts in a field feel about her.
  
  I’ll also say to the anti-Clinton narrative, read portions of Bob Gates’s book when he was SECDEF and worked with Clinton. He actually says he had the utmost respect for her and her work, and he was amazed at how she was as a person and as SECSTATE. He stated pretty much all the vile thrown he didn’t understand in his dealings with her. So, I’ll take his word as well over the allegations thrown at her.
  On the SS, fine, let’s take the words of several agents true, has it gone through an investigation, is there an IG report? If that has happened, then I’ll take their words more seriously.
  
  I'm not the typical liberal or conservative poster here, I look more at nuance and multiple aspects of an opinion or issue. But, on here, I am easily put in the liberal box., Then again, Trump is a liberal next to Quaker.
• Spock

  

  Trump is getting attacked by the establishment and the press is running with it. You have to remember that nobody in DC wants him there. He isnt bought and paid for.
  
  THat means that most people outside of DC should want him there. I dont want to hear all the BS about him not being presidential or him having his finger on some mythical nuke button. Nobody can do that by themselves.
  
  As for other countries, he will pass out authority to others to do his bidding. He will certainly surround himself with smarter people than Obama.
  
  Lastly, Trump is a "get things done" businessman. He will teach everyone in DC how to do that.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Spock;1782365 wrote:I dont want to hear all the BS about him not being presidential or him having his finger on some mythical nuke button. Nobody can do that by themselves.
  
  As for other countries, he will pass out authority to others to do his bidding. He will certainly surround himself with smarter people than Obama.

  Yes, the President can launch a nuclear first strike or attack by themselves. That has been the policy since the weapons were invented. It gives the U.S. flexibility in case a nuclear strike is on its way from another country.
  Who are those people? Are you putting hope in the fact he will do that?
• sleeper

  

  Spock;1782365 wrote:Trump is getting attacked by the establishment and the press is running with it. You have to remember that nobody in DC wants him there. He isnt bought and paid for.
  
  THat means that most people outside of DC should want him there. I dont want to hear all the BS about him not being presidential or him having his finger on some mythical nuke button. Nobody can do that by themselves.
  
  As for other countries, he will pass out authority to others to do his bidding. He will certainly surround himself with smarter people than Obama.
  
  Lastly, Trump is a "get things done" businessman. He will teach everyone in DC how to do that.

  Trump is a national embarrassment and has no business running for President much less being President.
• gut

  sleeper;1782369 wrote:Trump is a national embarrassment and has no business running for President much less being President.

  Not to mention, I don't see any evidence that he's particularly intelligent nor surrounds himself with bright, non-sycophants. Real Estate development is not the same as running a major company - it's mainly about design, marketing & branding.
  
  He's a genius at branding. That's nothing like a Romney who demonstrated, again and again, an ability to build different businesses AND was a governor. Trump would never even have gotten the opportunity to fail as a CEO of HP like Fiorina because he's not qualified to run a "real" business.
• QuakerOats

  Yet still, would be light years better than the socialists.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1782374 wrote:Not to mention, I don't see any evidence that he's particularly intelligent nor surrounds himself with bright, non-sycophants. Real Estate development is not the same as running a major company - it's mainly about design, marketing & branding.
  
  He's a genius at branding. That's nothing like a Romney who demonstrated, again and again, an ability to build different businesses AND was a governor. Trump would never even have gotten the opportunity to fail as a CEO of HP like Fiorina because he's not qualified to run a "real" business.

  Agreed. Romney was a solid candidate. It's too bad he had to go up against Obama's hope and change part 2.
• majorspark

  

  Hillary looks rattled. Didn't even use the "cackle". Couldn't promise not to lie which would have been a lie yet still lied saying she "believed" she never lied.
  
  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/18/hillary_clinton_wont_flatly_deny_she_will_never_lie_to_the_public.html
• Automatik

  

  sleeper;1782369 wrote:Trump is a national embarrassment and has no business running for President much less being President.

  It's all bluster, no substance. The Trump supporters fucking love it.
  
  How will you defeat ISIS?
  
  Trump - "We gotta be tougher!"
  
  Great fucking plan. :laugh:
• Spock

  

  Automatik;1782406 wrote:It's all bluster, no substance. The Trump supporters fucking love it.
  
  How will you defeat ISIS?
  
  Trump - "We gotta be tougher!"
  
  Great fucking plan. :laugh:

  we dont have a plan now....so whats the dif?
• Automatik

  

  "America doesn't win enough.
  
  I'll make us win again!"
• gut

  Automatik;1782406 wrote:It's all bluster, no substance. The Trump supporters fucking love it.

  True. However that's also more or less true of every candidate. Usually, however, they have more details spelled out on their website, fair enough. But in debates and on the campaign trail, substance is very rare. The average voter being stupid and/or ignorant, any depth to a position puts people to sleep.
  
  The liberal media blasted Romney for that last election, and he gave at least as much detail as Obama ever did. It often irritates me as a way for an equally stupid and ignorant media to dismiss a candidate without actually critiquing a position with substance of their own.
  
  You just end up coming back to the circular question of whether our candidates suck because our media sucks. LOL, you can almost see the liberal media thinking "Bernie excites me, but Hillary is a sure thing". They're hesitant to embrace Bernie because they aren't convinced he can win a national election against anyone not named Trump (and spare me the polls - fucking scary the Democratic version of crazy Ron Paul has the support he does).
• QuakerOats

  [h=1]Wage gap: One Hillary Clinton speech more than average CEO salary[/h]
  By Paul Bedard (@SecretsBedard) • 2/21/16 11:51 AM
  
  
  Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's charge that corporate CEOs earn 300 times more than their workers isn't just wrong. It hides another very real wage gap: She earns more in just one speech than the average American CEO in a year.
  
  Mark J. Perry, a University of Michigan professor and author of the American Enterprise Institute's popular Carpe Diem blog, did the fact-checking of Clinton's numbers and came up with that result.
  
  The average CEO, using Bureau of Labor Statistics figures, makes $216,100. Clinton's speaking agent, the Harry Walker Agency Inc., charged about $275,000 a speech and packaged three for Wall Street's Goldman Sachs at $675,000.
  
  Perry used the BLS average salary for all CEOs, not just the top ones Clinton likes to cite.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Those sneaky little facts ........
• Spock

  

  i cant wait till Trump ask her about how it feels to be bought.
• majorspark

  

  Spock;1782861 wrote:i cant wait till Trump ask her about how it feels to be bought.

  A debate between the buyer and the seller.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1782065 wrote:I don't need the word of a diplomat; I was gifted with a brain and common sense.

  
  
  What one socialist had to say about common sense.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1782067 wrote:I tend to pick real Americans, not marxists or socialists parading around as progressives. I also tend to favor those who are not serial liars, money launderers, and inept leaders.

  I guess that means you won't be voting for Trump then, eh - a socialist who wants to tax Mitt Romney more to pay for single-payer and more health care for veterans and use the power of the executive to intervene in the free market, who ineptly lead multiple companies into insolvency, has built a career on lying and laundered money the mob through construction projects his whole adult life?
  
  Oh no wait isn't politically correct, bashes m00zlims and will make america great again so he is a "Real American!"
• BoatShoes

  BR1986FB;1782082 wrote:Fucking liberals

  Interesting take! IggeyPride style commentary if you will.
• BoatShoes

  BR1986FB;1781961 wrote:Won't matter. If a doormat like Hillary or Sanders gets in, we'll likely all be dead anyhow. POS Obama has already started laying the groundwork for that with his foreign policies. Putin probably chuckles at Obama all day long. He'll be licking his chops if someone as inept as Sanders or Hillary get in there. They will be pissing down their legs if old Vlad turns up the heat and backs them into a corner which, as I said, Obama has already laid the groundwork for.
  
  That socialist bastard couldn't manage a Little League team, let alone a country. Reminds me of all of the Welfare moochers down here in Stark/Mahoning County.
  
  Seems like people anymore aren't looking at the big picture, like the safety of our country, etc. Now, it's all about the instant gratification and free shit.
  
  And tbh, not sure I'd want Trump in their either with his macho bullshit. This isn't a "R" vs "D" thing, to me. It about the most qualified. There's really no "good" choice, imo.

  
  Vladimir Putin's economy is being crushed by collapsing oil prices and sanctions and yet he is still doing the dirty work to attack ISIS to prop up an Iran client state even as Iran improves ties with the United States. The only one even near a corner is Russia.
  
  And, Obama passed a tax on freeloaders and moochers who don't make the personally responsible choice to get health insurance and raise everyone elses' costs.
  
  Also, our country is and has been kept safe by Obama from terrorists. In what way are we not safe other than that terrorists sympathizers living here have a 2nd Amendment Right to get a gun and unleash carnage? His FBI is trying to crack into terrorist phones and he is unleashing drones on terrorists the world over.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1782375 wrote:Yet still, would be light years better than the socialists.

  Translation - It is ok to vote for candidate who has espoused plans every bit as socialist as the dem candidates - like Trump - so long as said candidate is politically incorrect and has an R next to his name.
  
  Oh, and I should add says Obama and Hillary are terrible (even though they said all kinds of nice things about them just a few years ago).