Free community college
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Al Bundy
When you have free housing, free food, free healthcare, etc., that 20,000 is all money to play with.isadore;1700882 wrote:gosh a ruddies it is so easy to be self righteous and tell them what to do with their wealth
as of 2012 the maximum income for the lowest quintile was $20, 599, the mean $11,900 second lowest max $39,764 the mean $29,696
The lowest income for the top 5% $191,156
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=330
70% of those with 529 accounts $200,000 -
Con_Alma
Lol Ok. That's not what I read but I appreciate the clarification.isadore;1700884 wrote:no I am calling the poor, people in need
and you disingenuous
Is it any less greedy to want to keep one's money than it is to want someone else to pay for your services? -
Dr Winston O'Boogie
In other industialized countries, citizens are offered these types of educational opportunities because the whole society sees the investment as being smart - pay for school now to pay less in social welfare. Only here where the right has spent decades successfully demonizing the efforts of the working class is it acceptable to mock those who ask for or need this kind of assistance. we're living in a two-tiered economy. Those millitant ditto heads have unknowingly made the,selves dim pawns for the elite.
Great going. Instead of community college, let's just increase our defense budget another 1%. oh, don't forget, anyone who opposes this is unpatriotic. -
isadore
That is an interesting question, but not applicable to the discussion. While I am sure many want other people to pay for their education, this is a situation of people needing someone else to pay for that education if they are to receive it. And all of society benefiting if they receive that education.Con_Alma;1700926 wrote:Lol Ok. That's not what I read but I appreciate the clarification.
Is it any less greedy to want to keep one's money than it is to want someone else to pay for your services? -
isadore
many in this category receive no benefits or only partial benefits. For many the benefits are time limited. The amounts received are not rising at rate of inflation or have been cut. They also do not cover many non food necessities. They have little or no excess income. Of course you wish to strip them of any form of enjoyment or pleasure after all you have yours, screw them.Al Bundy;1700909 wrote:When you have free housing, free food, free healthcare, etc., that 20,000 is all money to play with. -
Con_Alma
It becomes applicable when the notion of greed is thrown at those that raise concerns or questions about the program that's proposed.isadore;1700940 wrote:That is an interesting question, but not applicable to the discussion. While I am sure many want other people to pay for their education, this is a situation of people needing someone else to pay for that education if they are to receive it. And all of society benefiting if they receive that education. -
Al Bundy
How long is the time limit? Many families have been on welfare for generations.isadore;1700942 wrote: For many the benefits are time limited. -
Ytowngirlinfla
That's why there are grants. If you are low or no income you get grants. So people are paying for others to receive an education. Please stop acting like the lower income people don't have opportunity or chances.isadore;1700940 wrote:That is an interesting question, but not applicable to the discussion. While I am sure many want other people to pay for their education, this is a situation of people needing someone else to pay for that education if they are to receive it. And all of society benefiting if they receive that education. -
Ytowngirlinfla
You have no idea what you are talking about. Most people who receive benefits are not time limited and do receive plenty of money to get by. If you are poor and receiving benefits you get the basic needs met. That's how it should be. If you want more you have to work for it.isadore;1700942 wrote:many in this category receive no benefits or only partial benefits. For many the benefits are time limited. The amounts received are not rising at rate of inflation or have been cut. They also do not cover many non food necessities. They have little or no excess income. Of course you wish to strip them of any form of enjoyment or pleasure after all you have yours, screw them. -
isadore
gosh a ruddies, those on here that begrudge this aid to those in need are selfish and greedy.Con_Alma;1700950 wrote:It becomes applicable when the notion of greed is thrown at those that raise concerns or questions about the program that's proposed. -
isadore
many of the programs are time limited, the funding has not kept up with inflation and they do not cover many necessities. And your joy in their suffering is obvious.Ytowngirlinfla;1700954 wrote:You have no idea what you are talking about. Most people who receive benefits are not time limited and do receive plenty of money to get by. If you are poor and receiving benefits you get the basic needs met. That's how it should be. If you want more you have to work for it. -
isadore
they don't cover many situations and needs. it is much more difficult for a person in the lower quintiles to receive a post secondary education. Opportunity for the poor is dying in America.Ytowngirlinfla;1700952 wrote:That's why there are grants. If you are low or no income you get grants. So people are paying for others to receive an education. Please stop acting like the lower income people don't have opportunity or chances. -
isadore
many families in need are being forced off the rolls.Al Bundy;1700951 wrote:How long is the time limit? Many families have been on welfare for generations. -
Con_Alma
Ok. You shouldn't assume it is those people that I am asking about.isadore;1700957 wrote:gosh a ruddies, those on here that begrudge this aid to those in need are selfish and greedy.
I understand if you choose not to answer but I also appreciate your declaration that it is in interesting question.
Is it any less greedy for people to want others to pay for their services than those who don't want to pay for it? -
Ytowngirlinfla
Yes my joy in their suffering. Considering my mother in law has been disabled since she was 20 years old. Gets full benefits, all medical, a free house etc to live in, food stamps and money monthly. She may not have much extra but she raised 2 kids just fine. My husband grew up poor and had plenty of opportunities for higher education including doing a year of AP classes at Harvard for free, undergrad at UMASS all paid for by grants and grad school at Ohio State via the GI Bill. So please tell me how the poor don't have opportunities? They have more opportunities then most middle americans. You probably have no idea what living off the dole is like.isadore;1700960 wrote:many of the programs are time limited, the funding has not kept up with inflation and they do not cover many necessities. And your joy in their suffering is obvious. -
Ytowngirlinfla
They cover plenty of situations and needs. You have no idea what you are talking about. Basic needs are met. That's all you get when you don't want to work for it.isadore;1700962 wrote:they don't cover many situations and needs. it is much more difficult for a person in the lower quintiles to receive a post secondary education. Opportunity for the poor is dying in America. -
isadore
my opinion on your question: You have a rich person and he wants the community to pay for his families meals, that is selfish, that is selfish and greedy, he can pay himself. You have a poor, hungry person who has no money and wants the community to provide his family with food or it will go hungry, he is not being greedy.Con_Alma;1700964 wrote:Ok. You shouldn't assume it is those people that I am asking about.
I understand if you choose not to answer but I also appreciate your declaration that it is in interesting question.
Is it any less greedy for people to want others to pay for their services than those who don't want to pay for it? -
isadore
for a person living in our society not every basic need is met and their limited resources used to cover those needs leave little or nothing to apply toward advanced education.Ytowngirlinfla;1700967 wrote:They cover plenty of situations and needs. You have no idea what you are talking about. Basic needs are met. That's all you get when you don't want to work for it. -
Con_Alma
Great but it is not meals nor rich people I am asking about....it's community college and the middle class wanting to keep the money they earn as opposed to pay for others services. Is one any less greedy than the other? I'm not sure it is.isadore;1700970 wrote:my opinion on your question: You have a rich person and he wants the community to pay for his families meals, that is selfish, that is selfish and greedy, he can pay himself. You have a poor, hungry person who has no money and wants the community to provide his family with food or it will go hungry, he is not being greedy. -
isadore
oh the personal anecdote of your husband's family, filtered through your prejudices is so informative of the situation of those living in the tens of millions of people living in the lower quintile. And only a completely selfish person would think they have more opportunities than those with more money.Ytowngirlinfla;1700966 wrote:Yes my joy in their suffering. Considering my mother in law has been disabled since she was 20 years old. Gets full benefits, all medical, a free house etc to live in, food stamps and money monthly. She may not have much extra but she raised 2 kids just fine. My husband grew up poor and had plenty of opportunities for higher education including doing a year of AP classes at Harvard for free, undergrad at UMASS all paid for by grants and grad school at Ohio State via the GI Bill. So please tell me how the poor don't have opportunities? They have more opportunities then most middle americans. You probably have no idea what living off the dole is like.
The GI Bills were a great series of education, they made education available to many poor people who would not have been able to receive it. The people in the military richly deserve it. Everyone can not join the military. -
isadore
question-who is in the middle class? What defines it?Con_Alma;1700972 wrote:Great but it is not meals nor rich people I am asking about....it's community college and the middle class wanting to keep the money they earn as opposed to pay for others services. Is one any less greedy than the other? I'm not sure it is. -
Ytowngirlinfla
My prejudices? Funny thing is you think everyone is a republican. I for one am not. They do have more opportunities. There are reasons that the states have programs to get people to work, let them obtain skills so they can earn money and take care of themselves.isadore;1700974 wrote:oh the personal anecdote of your husband's family, filtered through your prejudices is so informative of the situation of those living in the tens of millions of people living in the lower quintile. And only a completely selfish person would think they have more opportunities than those with more money.
The GI Bills were a great series of education, they made education available to many poor people who would not have been able to receive it. The people in the military richly deserve it. Everyone can not join the military. -
isadore
gosh a ruddies lady, you can call yourself anything you want, Democrat, Socialist, Marxist, Fascist, Tree Stump. Your expressed opinions tell the truth about you. Your attacks on the poor and their needs, your unwillingness to support a true chance for people who don't happen to be related to marriage to be socially mobile. You seem to feel the poor are doing pretty well and have so much going for them, label who you are.Ytowngirlinfla;1700980 wrote:My prejudices? Funny thing is you think everyone is a republican. I for one am not. They do have more opportunities. There are reasons that the states have programs to get people to work, let them obtain skills so they can earn money and take care of themselves. -
isadore
"plenty of money to get by." Now there is a Republican attitude, those poor folk got it made.Ytowngirlinfla;1700954 wrote:You have no idea what you are talking about. Most people who receive benefits are not time limited and do receive plenty of money to get by. If you are poor and receiving benefits you get the basic needs met. That's how it should be. If you want more you have to work for it. -
sleeper
My resources are better spent ethically evading the tax increases that give myself no additional benefit. My questions was geared towards people like yourself who don't want to put their own money up to help the poor. Why are you so generous with other people's money and not your own? Put up or shut up isadore.isadore;1700885 wrote:hopefully under the next Congress we will be able to use your resources to build a network of them.