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We are saved! Republicans control Senate

  • majorspark
    ts1227;1671584 wrote:All we did was rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic, and essentially move the sign that says "THIS IS WHERE GOVERNMENT GOES TO DIE" from between the 2 houses to between the houses and the White House.

    DC went from accomplishing nothing to accomplishing less than nothing

    Anyone that thinks a damn thing will change is a dumbass
    Our founders held the same sentiments. When enough of them realized their government was incapable of change they banded together and well we know what happened. I am sure they never envisioned nor would advocate what our federal government has become. But we will continue to suffer while the evils are sufferable because we have some recourse. Even if it is the cost of just a little greater than or less than nothing. History proves that the only real radical change in government comes with the shedding of blood.
  • believer
    majorspark;1671738 wrote:History proves that the only real radical change in government comes with the shedding of blood.
    truth
  • HitsRus
    Hopefully, no one here feels that such a "radical" change in government that would require "bloodshed" is even remotely required, nor would such a radical change be "acceptable" to our founding fathers.
    The first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence:...
    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of
    America,


    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to
    dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to
    assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which
    the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the
    opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel
    them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
    they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
    these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these
    rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from
    the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes
    destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish
    it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles
    and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to
    effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that
    Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient
    causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more
    disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by
    abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. B
    ut when a long train of
    abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to
    reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to
    throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future
    security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is
    now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of
    Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of
    repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment
    of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted
    to a candid world.
    Most certainly, today's situation fails to meet the criteria for 'bloodshed' or that even a radical change is necessary. While the "king" has usurped power issuing a flurry of executive orders as an end run around the duly elected legislative representatives of the people, it is not necessary to change governmewnt....only to change the "King"....and until that ability is lost, you cannot justify (to a candid world) a radical change that would cause incredible suffering amongst its people.
    But we will continue to suffer while the evils are sufferable because we have some recourse. Even if it is the cost of just a little greater than or less than nothing.
    We have plenty of recourse, of which, the recent elections are but a first step.
    Repubs and Dems may ultimately not be that different, but when they are completely polarized it's most likely because it's a bad idea. Good ideas/legislation have always found people willing to cross the aisle.
    This.
  • Spock
    Why is Pelosi stumping while introducing Boehner? STFU and move over. You don't have any power anymore.
  • rydawg5
    Obama sucks. Republicans would have gotten gas down to $1.65 and Unemployment to 5.8% instead.
  • QuakerOats
    rydawg5;1693470 wrote:Obama sucks. Republicans would have gotten gas down to $1.65 and Unemployment to 5.8% instead.
    Yes --- 5 years ago. Instead we have had the WORST recovery in history, all because of the assault on capitalism and the taxpayers by this radical administration and the obama/pelosi/reid triumvirate.
  • Spock
    If I were in charge I would be very bipartisan but give the far left nothing they want. Make Obama sign everything or look bad to the moderates and independents. Then you have a larger voting base in 2016 that will vote conservative.
  • rydawg5
    QuakerOats;1693485 wrote:Yes --- 5 years ago. Instead we have had the WORST recovery in history, all because of the assault on capitalism and the taxpayers by this radical administration and the obama/pelosi/reid triumvirate.
    Dems & Repubs have nothing to do with this gas price drop so that isn't true.

    As far as unemployment rate, your opinion is that after the market tanked in 08', the republicans would have had it booming by 10' with their conservative approach.

    Granted, in 2010 the higher taxes hadn't taken place on the people (that didn't happen until 2013)

    What specifically would the republicans have done to speed up the process?
  • like_that
    rydawg5;1693499 wrote:Dems & Repubs have nothing to do with this gas price drop so that isn't true.

    As far as unemployment rate, your opinion is that after the market tanked in 08', the republicans would have had it booming by 10' with their conservative approach.

    Granted, in 2010 the higher taxes hadn't taken place on the people (that didn't happen until 2013)

    What specifically would the republicans have done to speed up the process?
    Then why even bring it up?
  • rydawg5
    like_that;1693519 wrote:Then why even bring it up?
    Here he comes to save the day..




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  • majorspark
    Spock;1693358 wrote:Why is Pelosi stumping while introducing Boehner? STFU and move over. You don't have any power anymore.
  • Spock
    that photo should be a "caption this photo" thread.
  • like_that
    rydawg5;1693529 wrote:Here he comes to save the day..




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    Just trying to get an understanding of your logic there.
  • rydawg5
    like_that;1693594 wrote:Just trying to get an understanding of your logic there.
    In 2012 gas prices were a topic of debate for republicans. They said they would get them down to like $2 gallon.

    As an independent I get annoyed that no one can ever concede that the other party isn't a complete mess at all times.




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  • majorspark
    HitsRus;1671819 wrote:Hopefully, no one here feels that such a "radical" change in government that would require "bloodshed" is even remotely required, nor would such a radical change be "acceptable" to our founding fathers.
    The first two paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence:...

    Most certainly, today's situation fails to meet the criteria for 'bloodshed' or that even a radical change is necessary. While the "king" has usurped power issuing a flurry of executive orders as an end run around the duly elected legislative representatives of the people, it is not necessary to change governmewnt....only to change the "King"....and until that ability is lost, you cannot justify (to a candid world) a radical change that would cause incredible suffering amongst its people.



    We have plenty of recourse, of which, the recent elections are but a first step.

    This.
    Exactly what I said above. That is why I included the same words you did from the declaration. "We have some recourse." Like I said history proves radical change comes with the shedding of blood. Those frustrated on either side that change ebbs and flows and moves slowly in one direction or another may not realize what the radical change they desire entails. If I thought we were beyond recourse I would not be on here commenting but acting. That is not near the case. Just making a point.

    One thing that causes a lot of turmoil is nationalizing every issue (especially the social ones).
  • QuakerOats
    rydawg5;1693499 wrote:Dems & Repubs have nothing to do with this gas price drop so that isn't true.


    Indeed they do. In NY the democrats have now banned fracking. If the same type of liberals were in charge in Ohio and PA and North Dakota and Texas, gas, oil, and natural gas prices would all be substantially higher as these radicals would be putting our own resources off limits to the citizens of the nation. There is perhaps no starker differentiation that I can think of between the parties, at least when it comes to supplying the energy we all need at affordable prices. It is black and white; thank God for the repub's in control of most of the states.
  • rydawg5
    Thank god you should watch Gasland the documentary.

    What the Saudis are doing is 99% of the reason the gas prices are dropping.


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  • wkfan
    rydawg5;1693689 wrote:Thank god you should watch Gasland the documentary.

    What the Saudis are doing is 100% of the reason the gas prices are dropping.


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    FIFY
  • QuakerOats
    rydawg5;1693689 wrote:Thank god you should watch Gasland the pure propaganda.


    fify
  • QuakerOats
    rydawg5;1693689 wrote:
    What the Saudis are doing is 99% of the reason the gas prices are dropping.

    only part of the equation; they have simply decided to do nothing......neither cut production nor increase it.

    "Four things are now affecting the picture. Demand is low because of weak economic activity, increased efficiency, and a growing switch away from oil to other fuels. Second, turmoil in Iraq and Libya—two big oil producers with nearly 4m barrels a day combined—has not affected their output. The market is more sanguine about geopolitical risk. Thirdly, America has become the world’s largest oil producer. Though it does not export crude oil, it now imports much less, creating a lot of spare supply. Finally, the Saudis and their Gulf allies have decided not to sacrifice their own market share to restore the price. They could curb production sharply, but the main benefits would go to countries they detest such as Iran and Russia. Saudi Arabia can tolerate lower oil prices quite easily. It has $900 billion in reserves. Its own oil costs very little (around $5-6 per barrel) to get out of the ground."
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/12/economist-explains-4

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/12/the-basic-reason-oil-keeps-getting-cheaper-and-cheaper/
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    rydawg5;1693499 wrote:Dems & Repubs have nothing to do with this gas price drop so that isn't true.
    This is mostly correct. Pols take credit when prices go down - you can bet the right wing lemmings would credit falling oil prices to great leadership were a repub in office currently. If you read about the history of the petroleum industry though, it is one of megatrends that current politicians have little to no influence upon. Of course if you see the entir world through the eyes of political fighting in Washington, you can never understand this.
  • HitsRus
    they have simply decided to do nothing......
    truth.
  • rydawg5
    How is contaminating people's water and disregarding people's health "propaganda"


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  • QuakerOats
    water is not being contaminated ..... there are areas in the country (right around here also) that have naturally occurring methane in the water; it didn't come from anything having to do with fracking. We have been fracking wells for over 50 years; nearly 2 million wells, without incident ................. an unparalleled record of safety, for any industry.