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Is it time to legalize Marijuana?

  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days wrote:
    eersandbeers wrote: Why is the government paying for rehab? I don't support that either.
    because people are irresponsible. they want to ruin their bodies and take risks, but want dont want to be responsible for it. the responsibility for that person gets passed off to everyone around them including the government.
    I don't see why the government can't just legalize and regulate (tax) marijuana usage and sales and not pay for rehab (though I've never heard of marijuana rehab since it would be like quitting smoking, but without the nicotine withdrawal.)
  • Glory Days
    I Wear Pants wrote: I don't see why the government can't just legalize and regulate (tax) marijuana usage and sales and not pay for rehab (though I've never heard of marijuana rehab since it would be like quitting smoking, but without the nicotine withdrawal.)
    i think it was pointed out earlier, but its so easy to make at home, they couldnt regulate it.
  • believer
    Footwedge wrote: Power to the stoners!!. Weed is pretty tough on the lungs though. Gave up smokin dope 32 years ago. For me, it made me very paranoid and lazy.
    My experience too, Footie.

    But I admit there are times (like after a particularly stressful day) when a good relaxing Kona buzz would take the edge off. If the stuff was legal, I'd have some of it at my disposal in preference to liquid adult refreshment!

    By the way, my stance on legalizing pot is one reason I label myself center-right as opposed to far right. ;)
  • queencitybuckeye
    Glory Days wrote:
    its not about what you put in, its the effect it has on society. and i have pointed out it does effect others than just the user. but ok. what about DUIs? no one is harmed until you crash into someone. why cant i drive drunk if i want to?
    If I sit in my living room, I can drink until I pass out, and it has no effect on anyone. Same with drugs. It makes no sense that one is legal and the other isn't.

    When the subject of the topic is "people should be able to do whatever they want without regard to the rights of others", feel free to bring your strawman DUI argument out of the closet.
  • cbus4life
    believer wrote:
    Footwedge wrote: Power to the stoners!!. Weed is pretty tough on the lungs though. Gave up smokin dope 32 years ago. For me, it made me very paranoid and lazy.
    My experience too, Footie.

    But I admit there are times (like after a particularly stressful day) when a good relaxing Kona buzz would take the edge off. If the stuff was legal, I'd have some of it at my disposal in preference to liquid adult refreshment!

    By the way, my stance on legalizing pot is one reason I label myself center-right as opposed to far right. ;)
    Precisely. I'd much rather smoke a little on a lazy Friday night or after a tough day at work than drink.

    I, for one, am counting the days. Based on my own experience, i would become a HEALTHIER person if weed were legal, given that i guarantee that my alcohol consumption would drop as a result.
  • derek bomar
    I'm moving to Washington

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/washingtons-proposal-legalize-marijuan
  • believer
    cbus4life wrote:Precisely. I'd much rather smoke a little on a lazy Friday night or after a tough day at work than drink.

    I, for one, am counting the days. Based on my own experience, i would become a HEALTHIER person if weed were legal, given that i guarantee that my alcohol consumption would drop as a result.
    I dunno about "healthier". You would simply transfer the toxin issue from your liver to your lungs...but I understand your meaning.
  • krazie45
    believer wrote: I dunno about "healthier". You would simply transfer the toxin issue from your liver to your lungs...but I understand your meaning.
    And that's only if he smoked it. If he got a vaporizer there would be no ill-effects on the body.
  • cbus4life
    Yea, very true Believer, my bad.
  • Writerbuckeye
    For those who do smoke, don't believe for a second there is no risk to your health. Putting contaminants into your lungs puts you at risk for any number of diseases, not the least of which is lung cancer. Even though some studies show no DIRECT link to lung cancer risk, there's no way to be certain when you are putting carcinogens into your body.

    As a lung cancer survivor, I would hope if marijuana is legalized, people would at least be smart enough to know smoking it puts them at risk, if not for cancer, then certainly for other illnesses like bronchitis and emphysema.

    So if it does get legalized -- how about a nice batch of chocolate brownies? :D
  • Fab1b
    I think it should be legalized but I won't like the legal stuff:) They will tax the hell out of it and water it down!! :)
  • krazie45
    Writerbuckeye wrote: For those who do smoke, don't believe for a second there is no risk to your health. Putting contaminants into your lungs puts you at risk for any number of diseases, not the least of which is lung cancer. Even though some studies show no DIRECT link to lung cancer risk, there's no way to be certain when you are putting carcinogens into your body.

    As a lung cancer survivor, I would hope if marijuana is legalized, people would at least be smart enough to know smoking it puts them at risk, if not for cancer, then certainly for other illnesses like bronchitis and emphysema.

    So if it does get legalized -- how about a nice batch of chocolate brownies? :D
    Any time you smoke anything you're going to affect your lungs. That's what inhaling smoke does. That's why you use a vaporizer or like you said cook it into brownies or some type of food. The difference between marijuana and say tobacco is that there is no nicotine or anything like that.
  • Glory Days
    queencitybuckeye wrote: If I sit in my living room, I can drink until I pass out, and it has no effect on anyone. Same with drugs. It makes no sense that one is legal and the other isn't.

    When the subject of the topic is "people should be able to do whatever they want without regard to the rights of others", feel free to bring your strawman DUI argument out of the closet.
    no different than your strawman "i am going to sit in my house and never leave" arguments. people will and do leave their houses stoned. especially when the effect of marijuana, although not huge, can last up to 24 hours. oh and dont put too much stuff into your body, if you do, someone might find you in your home passed out and call an ambulance or take you to a hospital, which is effecting someone else and costing the government money.

    and its estimated every 11 cars you see on the road is a drunk, so obviously many people do it without effecting anyone else.
  • Footwedge
    believer wrote:
    Footwedge wrote: Power to the stoners!!. Weed is pretty tough on the lungs though. Gave up smokin dope 32 years ago. For me, it made me very paranoid and lazy.
    My experience too, Footie.

    But I admit there are times (like after a particularly stressful day) when a good relaxing Kona buzz would take the edge off. If the stuff was legal, I'd have some of it at my disposal in preference to liquid adult refreshment!

    By the way, my stance on legalizing pot is one reason I label myself center-right as opposed to far right. ;)
    A right winger like you smoking pot? Oh the tyrany of it all. That's what happens when you live in State College, I guess.
  • believer
    Footwedge wrote:A right winger like you smoking pot? Oh the tyrany of it all. That's what happens when you live in State College, I guess.
    Not State College...need to go back 3 decades to Athens, Ohio. :angel:
  • krazie45
    Glory Days wrote:
    queencitybuckeye wrote: If I sit in my living room, I can drink until I pass out, and it has no effect on anyone. Same with drugs. It makes no sense that one is legal and the other isn't.

    When the subject of the topic is "people should be able to do whatever they want without regard to the rights of others", feel free to bring your strawman DUI argument out of the closet.
    no different than your strawman "i am going to sit in my house and never leave" arguments. people will and do leave their houses stoned. especially when the effect of marijuana, although not huge, can last up to 24 hours. oh and dont put too much stuff into your body, if you do, someone might find you in your home passed out and call an ambulance or take you to a hospital, which is effecting someone else and costing the government money.

    and its estimated every 11 cars you see on the road is a drunk, so obviously many people do it without effecting anyone else.
    See now you're comparing two different things. He is talking about the use of marijuana as not affecting anyone else. You are talking about the act of driving under the influence, which is illegal. Any idiot would assume that driving under the influence of marijuana would be illegal as well. That doesn't mean it should be illegal itself especially since alcohol is. Hell it would be illegal if you drove under the influence of Nyquil.
  • I Wear Pants
    Glory Days wrote:
    queencitybuckeye wrote: If I sit in my living room, I can drink until I pass out, and it has no effect on anyone. Same with drugs. It makes no sense that one is legal and the other isn't.

    When the subject of the topic is "people should be able to do whatever they want without regard to the rights of others", feel free to bring your strawman DUI argument out of the closet.
    no different than your strawman "i am going to sit in my house and never leave" arguments. people will and do leave their houses stoned. especially when the effect of marijuana, although not huge, can last up to 24 hours. oh and dont put too much stuff into your body, if you do, someone might find you in your home passed out and call an ambulance or take you to a hospital, which is effecting someone else and costing the government money.

    and its estimated every 11 cars you see on the road is a drunk, so obviously many people do it without effecting anyone else.
    It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
  • derek bomar
    [/quote]It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
    [/quote]

  • Bigred1995
    Glory Days wrote: because it doesnt matter. people will claim medicinal purposes for certain conditions. yet i can show a more efficient, safer, legal, and man madel drug to do the same thing, but no one will care. they want marijuana. here is some "propaganda".

    http://www.justice.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

    health effect propaganda:
    http://www.drugabuse.gov/PDF/RRMarijuana.pdf

    marijuana addiction propaganda:
    http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/

    http://www.uhs.wisc.edu/display_story.jsp?id=736&cat_id=38
    Physical Dependence
    Two decades ago, addiction medicine doctors and counselors believed that the difference between substance abuse and substance dependence was whether tolerance and withdrawal were present. Now it is known that, although tolerance or withdrawal may occur in individuals with addiction, the condition of addiction can exist without any sign of tolerance or withdrawal. Still, a common question of interest is, does marijuana produce physical dependence (that is, tolerance or withdrawal)?

    By the twenty-first century, the answers to these questions are clear. Tolerance does develop to THC (the active chemical in marijuana). Moreover, withdrawal definitely occurs in some users. The effects of this withdrawal are generally the opposite of the effects of intoxication: anxiety and insomnia instead of relaxation; loss of appetite rather than hunger; excessive salivation instead of dry mouth; and also decreased pulse, irritability, and sometimes tremor. People who have used marijuana as a way to control underlying anger may also experience irritability, increased mood swings, and even an increase in aggressive behavior, as symptoms of withdrawal.
    I agree that there are probably more effective methods of treating medical ailments than with marijuana, but how do those methods come to market? A specific amount of Research & Development, approval from the FDA...never mind I looked it up here is what if found

    Drug development can generally be divided into phases. The first is the preclinical phase, which usually takes 3 to 4 years to complete. If successful, this phase is followed by an application to the FDA as an investigational new drug (IND). After an IND is approved, the next steps are clinical phases 1, 2, and 3, which require approximately 1, 2, and 3 years, respectively, for completion ( Table ). Importantly, throughout this process the FDA and investigators leading the trials communicate with each other so that such issues as safety are monitored. The manufacturer then files a new drug application (NDA) with the FDA for approval. This application can either be approved or rejected, or the FDA might request further study before making a decision. Following acceptance, the FDA can also request that the manufacturer conduct additional postmarketing studies. Overall, this entire process, on average, takes between 8 to 12 years.[2] Figure 1 summarizes the drug approval process. It is not surprising that from conception to market most compounds face an uphill battle to become an approved drug. For approximately every 5,000 to 10,000 compounds that enter preclinical testing, only one is approved for marketing.[8] A 1993 report by the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment estimated the cost of developing a new drug to be $359 million.[9] Newer figures place the cost at more than $500 million.[10]
    Source: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/405869_4
    Just how expensive are the non-marijuana drugs? Now if there is still an effective yet inexpensive treatment for the ailments, don't you think people should have access to it?

    It should be legalized!
  • Glory Days
    krazie45 wrote: It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
    you CAN overdose, but people dont die from the overdose. its most common when eaten.
  • eersandbeers
    Glory Days wrote:

    no different than your strawman "i am going to sit in my house and never leave" arguments. people will and do leave their houses stoned. especially when the effect of marijuana, although not huge, can last up to 24 hours. oh and dont put too much stuff into your body, if you do, someone might find you in your home passed out and call an ambulance or take you to a hospital, which is effecting someone else and costing the government money.

    and its estimated every 11 cars you see on the road is a drunk, so obviously many people do it without effecting anyone else.


    Again, what is your point? Driving under the influence is illegal so that doesn't mean we should outlaw the substances because people act irresponsible.

    That's like saying we should outlaw fatty foods because some aren't responsible enough to regulate their health and not develop heart disease.

    You have found so many weak justifications for your stance against marijuana that it is laughable at this point.

    You know your wrong when the former head of the DEA, the most useless organization in the country, comes out and says marijuana should be legal.
  • krazie45
    Glory Days wrote:
    krazie45 wrote: It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
    you CAN overdose, but people dont die from the overdose. its most common when eaten.
    First of all that wasn't my quote, but I'll address it anyways. Studies have shown that the ratio for the amount someone needs to consume to overdose on marijuana compared to how much is needed to get high is 40,000-1. For some perspective if it took 3 hits to get you high it would take 120,000 hits to overdose. No one has obviously ever done this.
  • I Wear Pants
    derek bomar wrote:
    It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
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    A stupid cop couple isn't exactly verifiable evidence.

    And I guess it is possible, but you'd have to take like 100,000 hits in an hour or something so for all intents and purposes it is impossible.
  • noreply66
    what was the question
  • DeyDurkie5
    krazie45 wrote:
    Glory Days wrote:
    krazie45 wrote: It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. So your last argument is bunk.
    you CAN overdose, but people dont die from the overdose. its most common when eaten.
    First of all that wasn't my quote, but I'll address it anyways. Studies have shown that the ratio for the amount someone needs to consume to overdose on marijuana compared to how much is needed to get high is 40,000-1. For some perspective if it took 3 hits to get you high it would take 120,000 hits to overdose. No one has obviously ever done this.
    Yeah you either pass out or sit there thinking you shouldn't have taken that last hit..

    How alcohol is legal and Pot isn't baffles me