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Belly35

Ohio</SPAN> is an Open Carry State ORC 9.68 so why conceal your weapon?

Those of you who are weapon owners and have a CCW why do you Conceal carry vs Open carry?

I'm asking myself this question more and more every day>>>

Is it not time to be accountable of your rights as legal, permit carring weapon owner citizens, adhere to the laws on record ..... and not be intimidated by unknowledgeable law enforcement and liberal socialist individuals. </SPAN>

Raw Dawgin' it

I wouldn't want the world to know I'm packing heat.

TedSheckler

You still can't open carry in a car if you don't have your CCW. Gun and ammo must be separated.

gut

Belly - I like a lot of your posts but my god do you TRY to butcher grammar? You couldn't even write the thread title properly?

BoatShoes

gut;1392980 wrote:Belly - I like a lot of your posts but my god do you TRY to butcher grammar? You couldn't even write the thread title properly?

If I can remember correctly, long ago on that site that shall not be named Belly mentioned that he is dyslexic or something and/or that he uses a talk-to-type mechanism which often leads to garbled posts. I may be wrong but I remember there was a reasonable explanation for why he often makes grammatical and/or spelling errors.

Devils Advocate

I have CCW and still open carry. I show a Glock, 3 clips and some mace.

Sometimes the tellers get a little nervous if they don't know me and have silent alarmed me twice

The cops that respond are dicks and one even felt I needed chewed out when he ran my social and found out that I was CCW. I told him that I respected his opinion, even if it was stupid. He held me up for another 15 minutes just to be an ass hole.

Later that day I took the time to stop by the station and talked to his watch commander.

It did not go well for him.

gut

BoatShoes;1392988 wrote:If I can remember correctly, long ago on that site that shall not be named Belly mentioned that he is dyslexic or something and/or that he uses a talk-to-type mechanism which often leads to garbled posts. I may be wrong but I remember there was a reasonable explanation for why he often makes grammatical and/or spelling errors.

Thanks. My apologies to Belly

WebFire

I don't particularly care for open carry because of the panic it can cause. Just not worth it. And it really serves no purpose. Just makes you a target, for the public, cops and bad guys.

So I ask, why not conceal?

TedSheckler

My conceal carry instructor brought up the same point. You can legally open carry, but you have to expect to run into some problems. People just aren't used to seeing that sort of thing and they will call the police on you. Be ready to have to deal with the police questioning you, hopefully not an ill-informed officer that wants to give you trouble and cite you for disorderly conduct or inducing panic.

If you've got your CCW, why not just conceal it and avoid the problems.

Belly35

gut;1392980 wrote:Belly - I like a lot of your posts but my god do you TRY to butcher grammar? You couldn't even write the thread title properly?

Sorry .... It's the way I roll .... I think faster than I can type, limited education, poor reader and speller because of dyslexic that was not understood in the early 60's, worked more than attended school and this is the by product of that. I would also add poor, welfare and housing project raised but that was a good thing for me. On the other hand college grad with a BS double major, decorated military soldier, disablity retirement, ower of two technical type business and if I do say so myself a very good looking, strong 63 year old guy.. I still have all my hair..

Belly35

BoatShoes;1392988 wrote:If I can remember correctly, long ago on that site that shall not be named Belly mentioned that he is dyslexic or something and/or that he uses a talk-to-type mechanism which often leads to garbled posts. I may be wrong but I remember there was a reasonable explanation for why he often makes grammatical and/or spelling errors.

Thank you BoatShoes

Belly35

I bring up this question is because of the lack on the public knowledge about weapons. As view as Assault weapons vs Semi Auto weapon clueless public…
Weapons get a bad rap because of the liberal media and the criminals but there is a peaceful side and a protective side to carrying a weapon. If there where four people with Open Carry in a Wal-Mart parking lot would the potential for a criminal to create a rape or robbery be more or less? Because I can’t go into a bank but I send my wife to do our banking and I stand outside. Who is now being protected (the public, bank and innocent people).

Public see weapons as “The Killer” the same as Vietnam Soldier was identified by the public as “Baby Killer”. Lack of knowledge, strong media influence and political agenda now skews to public views on weapons.

Devils Advocate

WebFire;1393047 wrote:I don't particularly care for open carry because of the panic it can cause. Just not worth it. And it really serves no purpose. Just makes you a target, for the public, cops and bad guys.

So I ask, why not conceal?

Because it IS intimidating. If you conceal, you might give some idiot the notion that you are defenseless. If you open carry, you remove all doubt.

A sensible person that sees you open carry should think that 1. You are legal. And 2. You mean business.

I do not parade around when I open carry. I park close to the bank entrance, get out of the car and move directly to the entrance. I give eye contact to all hat are looking and give no salutations. I get in, do my business and get out. I never deposit at the same time every day.

While I do see concerned looks every now and again, I have not caused a panic that I know of ( other than the 2 tellers that alarmed me.)

However, I am smart enough to know that If I waked into the bank with an AK slung over my shoulder that people would be concerned. It is legal to do so,just not very prudent.

WebFire

Devils Advocate;1393155 wrote:Because it IS intimidating. If you conceal, you might give some idiot the notion that you are defenseless. If you open carry, you remove all doubt.

A sensible person that sees you open carry should think that 1. You are legal. And 2. You mean business.

I do not parade around when I open carry. I park close to the bank entrance, get out of the car and move directly to the entrance. I give eye contact to all hat are looking and give no salutations. I get in, do my business and get out. I never deposit at the same time every day.

While I do see concerned looks every now and again, I have not caused a panic that I know of ( other than the 2 tellers that alarmed me.)

However, I am smart enough to know that If I waked into the bank with an AK slung over my shoulder that people would be concerned. It is legal to do so,just not very prudent.

Sure, there is the good side. But there A LOT of people that do have problems when they open carry. Not worth it IMO. If it works for you, then continue on.

Devils Advocate

WebFire;1393167 wrote:Sure, there is the good side. But there A LOT of people that do have problems when they open carry. Not worth it IMO. If it works for you, then continue on.

You asked, I answered.

On the other hand, if two guys walk down the street with AK's on their shoulders, they are looking for a reaction. Kind of like a 6 year old boy pulling down his pants and waving his penis at everybody.

They are within their rights, but ass holes none the less.

WebFire

Devils Advocate;1393171 wrote:You asked, I answered.

On the other hand, if two guys walk down the street with AK's on their shoulders, they are looking for a reaction.

Honestly, I feel that way about guys who open carry handguns as well. JMO.

Cleveland Buck

Only a weapon owner can protect his own rights. The state certainly isn't going to do it.

stlouiedipalma

Here's my position on guns. I've never owned a gun. My only experience with guns was a limited amount of hunting in my teens with my brother and cousins. I don't have a problem with gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, although I do feel that it has evolved way beyond the Framers' intent. Without getting into the whole "infringing on freedoms" issue, my question regarding assault weapons and unlimited magazine size is simply this. Why is it necessary? And what is the big deal about universal background checks? Unless you are mentally unbalanced or a criminal I wouldn't think this would be a problem for the responsible gun owner. How about some serious opinions on this?

Cleveland Buck

stlouiedipalma;1393384 wrote:Here's my position on guns. I've never owned a gun. My only experience with guns was a limited amount of hunting in my teens with my brother and cousins. I don't have a problem with gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, although I do feel that it has evolved way beyond the Framers' intent. Without getting into the whole "infringing on freedoms" issue, my question regarding assault weapons and unlimited magazine size is simply this. Why is it necessary? And what is the big deal about universal background checks? Unless you are mentally unbalanced or a criminal I wouldn't think this would be a problem for the responsible gun owner. How about some serious opinions on this?

Well, why was the 2nd amendment included in the Bill of Rights?

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government... - Alexander Hamilton

Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good. - George Washington

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson

WebFire

stlouiedipalma;1393384 wrote:Here's my position on guns. I've never owned a gun. My only experience with guns was a limited amount of hunting in my teens with my brother and cousins. I don't have a problem with gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, although I do feel that it has evolved way beyond the Framers' intent. Without getting into the whole "infringing on freedoms" issue, my question regarding assault weapons and unlimited magazine size is simply this. Why is it necessary? And what is the big deal about universal background checks? Unless you are mentally unbalanced or a criminal I wouldn't think this would be a problem for the responsible gun owner. How about some serious opinions on this?

"Why is it necessary?"

Worst position to take on this issue. Why is anything necessary? Why are fast sports cars necessary (car accident deaths)? Why is alcohol necessary (drunk driver deaths)? Why is fast food necessary (heart attacks)?

I could go on.

BoatShoes

stlouiedipalma;1393384 wrote:Here's my position on guns. I've never owned a gun. My only experience with guns was a limited amount of hunting in my teens with my brother and cousins. I don't have a problem with gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, although I do feel that it has evolved way beyond the Framers' intent. Without getting into the whole "infringing on freedoms" issue, my question regarding assault weapons and unlimited magazine size is simply this. Why is it necessary? And what is the big deal about universal background checks? Unless you are mentally unbalanced or a criminal I wouldn't think this would be a problem for the responsible gun owner. How about some serious opinions on this?

They are "unnecessary" but we as individuals and a society often use products, commodities and services that are "unnecessary." Smoking, buying fireworks, riding motorcycles are all unnecessary. What is generally great about free markets is that we generally end up objectively better off because of people freely buying and selling and exchanging things that they subjectively think will make them better off. It's a question of whether we are really objectively better off by people freely buying and selling guns?

And, as far as universal background checks go...I think they're a good idea...but I think we should take seriously the skepticism some folks have about your neighbor running a background check when he sells you his gun, etc. It's the same type of skepticism and hesitance that is warranted when Conservatives start demanding IDs to vote. These are both semi-reasonable means of getting closer to a just end but they should be done with caution and without demeaning the objections of gun enthusiasts in my humble opinion.

Belly35

stlouiedipalma;1393384 wrote:Here's my position on guns. I've never owned a gun. My only experience with guns was a limited amount of hunting in my teens with my brother and cousins. I don't have a problem with gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, although I do feel that it has evolved way beyond the Framers' intent. Without getting into the whole "infringing on freedoms" issue, my question regarding assault weapons and unlimited magazine size is simply this. Why is it necessary? And what is the big deal about universal background checks? Unless you are mentally unbalanced or a criminal I wouldn't think this would be a problem for the responsible gun owner. How about some serious opinions on this?

Before we have a conversation about weapons ... educate yourself and don't be sucked into the media, liberals and uneducated politicians mis leading you.

Only a very small number of gun owner have Assault Weapon (Fully Automatic) special permit, federal approval, special training and a few other requirement are needed to own an ASSAULT WEAPON. The Military has Assault Weapons which means that (once you pull the trigger and hold the trigger back the maginze is emptied with in seconds.

Look alike but not Assault Weapons are SEMI-AUTOMATIC legal but law (for every round the trigger must be pulled and released and pulled again).

The magazine is a diversion side track created to avoiding the real issue: Profiling mental health individual, mental health professional failures because of the federal government restriction on the mental health field HIPPA … and providing a date base of those individuals.

WebFire

The problem with universal background checks is that it becomes universal registration. One step closer to universal confiscation.

gut

This whole gun issue is turning into quite the circus. Looks like abortion an gay rights are going to have to make room for another rather pointless debate on a decided and irreversible issue. Politicians love that shit because you can gin-up your base and pander to an electorate by offering flowering opinions without having to really know anything. Nobody wants to talk about taxes and the economy, but oh my they'll go all day about abortion, gay rights and guns because you can't really be wrong on those issues.

FatHobbit

WebFire;1393559 wrote:The problem with universal background checks is that it becomes universal registration. One step closer to universal confiscation.

This is my only problem with background checks. And then they do shitty background checks so all they really get out of it is a list of people who have guns.

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