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Disgusted with obama administration - Part II

  • gut
    Well, the big question is...all the moderates and independents that voted for Obama, are they going to go to the polls in 2014 and give Dems control of the House and Senate?

    Pretty abysmal start to Obama's 2nd term. He got a small tax increase pushed through and then it's been all downhill from there.
  • tk421
    As long as the checks show up in the mail, Obama could go on national TV and kill kids left and right and no one would give a shit. Black people will support him no matter what he does, the left have to support him, his is their mesiah. They have thrown all in, they can't back out now.
  • HitsRus
    gut;1445289 wrote:Unsurprising, but still interesting. It might lend some credence to those who believe Obama is being obstructionist and perpetually campaigning for 2014 so he can ramrod more of his socialist agenda. But ultimately I think that's giving the empty suit to much credit. My opinion is that Obama doesn't know how to lead, and isn't interested in it any way. When he's not being obtuse or hands-off ("I didn't know"), he appears to seek to disqualify himself from the debate by taking an uncompromising position.

    Increasingly I think he's trying to carve for himself a Slick Willy-type path where remaining popular is priority #1, maybe the only priority, so he can remain relevant and popular and influential after leaving office. Taking responsibility for tough choices and taking tough actions is a big gamble for that, and apparently not something Obama is willing to risk.
    That assumes that he is in actually in charge. It seems "the liberal/socialist agenda" runs itself with him being just the front man using his popularity to sell it to the adoring throngs. Is he in charge of anything? Fast and Furious? Benghazi? AP? IRS? While departmentsin his administration run amok...He acts sometimes like he doesn't have the authority.
  • SportsAndLady
    One obama-voting dem just said to another obama-voting dem: "You see Bachman is getting investigated for criminal charges by the FBI? She's corrupt as it gets."

    The irony
  • majorspark
    HitsRus;1445683 wrote:That assumes that he is in actually in charge.
    He is fully in charge. Obama is no dummy. If you take gut's take that at the least he has insulated himself by appointing leaders of his administration that are strict ideological loyalists that fully understand political ramifications and have judgement as to what should not get reported to the president in order to give him "deniability". You have to assume that there is some level of strong "management" to deny accountability at the highest levels of the administration.
    HitsRus;1445683 wrote:It seems "the liberal/socialist agenda" runs itself with him being just the front man using his popularity to sell it to the adoring throngs.
    At the institutional level it does not run itself. Its directed and fed by leadership. Low level government employees rarely would risk going "rouge" for their own political personal agenda and put at risk their personal livelihood. Which for government employees is quite cushy. The scale smarts of institutional corruption orchestrated by leadership.

    HitsRus;1445683 wrote: Is he in charge of anything? Fast and Furious? Benghazi? AP? IRS? While departmentsin his administration run amok...He acts sometimes like he doesn't have the authority.
    Obama is in charge. He is fleeing accountability.
  • fish82
    majorspark;1445768 wrote:He is fully in charge. Obama is no dummy. If you take gut's take that at the least he has insulated himself by appointing leaders of his administration that are strict ideological loyalists that fully understand political ramifications and have judgement as to what should not get reported to the president in order to give him "deniability". You have to assume that there is some level of strong "management" to deny accountability at the highest levels of the administration.



    At the institutional level it does not run itself. Its directed and fed by leadership. Low level government employees rarely would risk going "rouge" for their own political personal agenda and put at risk their personal livelihood. Which for government employees is quite cushy. The scale smarts of institutional corruption orchestrated by leadership.




    Obama is in charge. He is fleeing accountability.


    Mas reppage.
  • QuakerOats
    gut;1445525 wrote:Pretty abysmal start to Obama's 2nd term. He got a small tax increase pushed through and then it's been all downhill from there.


    Actually, the tax increase is part of going 'downhill' ...............
  • QuakerOats
    CBSNEWS reporter: My computers hacked, too...

    'Began in Feb. 2011 during reporting on Fast and Furious'...







    Anyone else believe that we have elected the enemy?    [HR][/HR]
  • gut
    drip.......drip......drip.....drip....drip...drip..drip.dripdripdripdripdrip
  • believer
    or tick, tick, tick, tick
  • Bigdogg
    believer;1446395 wrote:or tick, tick, tick, tick
    Sound of the Republican party imploding over fake scandals?
    But it was not until a month later that it became clear that the CIA, rather than the State Department, maintained the most significant presence in Benghazi. Near the diplomatic outpost was a CIA installation where about two dozen intelligence and security personnel were based. Their mission was to track weapons shipments out of the country and to identify the numerous militias operating in Benghazi. Security at this annex was the responsibility of the CIA, not the State Department. But because the annex operated under diplomatic cover, its existence as an intelligence facility was classified.
    After Petraeus’s morning coffee on Sept. 14, the CIA’s Office of Terrorism Analysis sent an internal agency e-mail with the subject line: “FLASH coordination — white paper for HPSCI,” referring to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

    The committee “has asked for unclassified points immediately that they can use in talking to the media,” the e-mail said.
    Included was a six-point draft that began, “We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired” by anti-American demonstrations elsewhere “and evolved” into assaults against “the U.S. consulate and subsequently its annex.”
    It followed with a reference to previous attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi and a mention of Ansar al-Sharia, a terrorist organization with links to al-Qaeda. That information, put in at Petraeus’s request, would become the chief source of tension between the agency, the State Department and the FBI.
    Guess who is on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence? http://intelligence.house.gov/about/hpsci-majority-members plus John Boehner.

    Now this is funny, The Republican led Select Committee makes a request of the CIA Director, he honors the request and then the House investigates the results of that request as if they had nothing to do with the request. Full on idiots. The House committee wants to protect sources and methods with limited release of information in the first days after Benghazi but then investigate "talking points" that comply with the request.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/petraeuss-role-in-drafting-benghazi-talking-points-raises-questions/2013/05/21/db19f352-c165-11e2-ab60-67bba7be7813_story.html

    Running list of former explosive scandals that wingnuts thought were going to sink candidate, then President, now two-term President Obama:

    - Jeremiah Wright
    - Bill Ayers
    - Being born in Kenya
    - Being educated in Indonesia
    - Secretly a Muslim
    - His college transcripts
    - Tony Rezko
    - His law license
    - Derrick Bell
    - Smoking dope in school
    - Acorn
    - Tim Geithner's tax returns
    - Targeting conservative-run car dealerships
    - Illegally bailing out the UAW
    - Joe Sestak
    - Purposefully increasing the price of oil
    - Working with MediaMatters
    - Pentagon leaks
    - Apologizing for America
    - Bowing to foreign leaders
    - Teleprompters
    - Fast and Furious
    - Obamaphones
    - Solyndra
    - Vacation costs
    - Trip to India costs
    - Time spent playing golf
    - Denying extra embassy security so he could claim he'd beaten terrorism
    - Apologizing for the anti-Islam videos
    - Daughters protected by armed guards
    - Watching the Benghazi attacks live
    - Doctoring talking points
  • Belly35
    Bigdogg;1446473 wrote:Sound of the Republican party imploding over fake scandals?







    Guess who is on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence? http://intelligence.house.gov/about/hpsci-majority-members plus John Boehner.

    Now this is funny, The Republican led Select Committee makes a request of the CIA Director, he honors the request and then the House investigates the results of that request as if they had nothing to do with the request. Full on idiots. The House committee wants to protect sources and methods with limited release of information in the first days after Benghazi but then investigate "talking points" that comply with the request.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/petraeuss-role-in-drafting-benghazi-talking-points-raises-questions/2013/05/21/db19f352-c165-11e2-ab60-67bba7be7813_story.html

    Running list of former explosive scandals that wingnuts thought were going to sink candidate, then President, now two-term President Obama:

    - Jeremiah Wright
    - Bill Ayers
    - Being born in Kenya
    - Being educated in Indonesia
    - Secretly a Muslim
    - His college transcripts
    - Tony Rezko
    - His law license
    - Derrick Bell
    - Smoking dope in school
    - Acorn
    - Tim Geithner's tax returns
    - Targeting conservative-run car dealerships
    - Illegally bailing out the UAW
    - Joe Sestak
    - Purposefully increasing the price of oil
    - Working with MediaMatters
    - Pentagon leaks
    - Apologizing for America
    - Bowing to foreign leaders
    - Teleprompters
    - Fast and Furious
    - Obamaphones
    - Solyndra
    - Vacation costs
    - Trip to India costs
    - Time spent playing golf
    - Denying extra embassy security so he could claim he'd beaten terrorism
    - Apologizing for the anti-Islam videos
    - Daughters protected by armed guards
    - Watching the Benghazi attacks live
    - Doctoring talking points

    You're Ok with Obama Administration, fraud, corruption, lies and the present condition of the country and the future bleak prosperity of your children and grand children .... I guess if you live on entitlement long enough you lower your standard to the leadership level ...
  • QuakerOats
    IRS internal investigation ended 6 months before '12 election, was hidden from Congress...
    TOP OFFICIAL TAKES THE FIFTH...
    'I will not answer any questions or testify today'...
    'I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG'...
    REPORT: Scandal Not Limited to 'Low-Level Employees'...


    REPORT: DOJ Seized Records of Five FOXNEWS Phone Numbers...

    ... INCLUDING PARENTS OF TARGETED REPORTER

    REPORT: US ATTY INVESTIGATING FOX DONATED TO OBAMA...

    CBSNEWS reporter: My computers hacked, too...

    'Began in Feb. 2011 during reporting on 'Fast and Furious''... [HR][/HR]CBSNEWS President and WH Official Tied to Benghazi Scandal -- Are Brothers...
  • QuakerOats
    [h=2]tyr·an·ny[/h]/ˈtɪrəni/ Show Spelled [tir-uh-nee] noun, plural tyr·an·nies.
    1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship.
  • gut
    Obama...knows nothing
    Holder...knows nothing
    Carney...knows nothing
    Lerner...knows something, pleads the fifth

    Love me some transparency.
  • QuakerOats
    Dem warns of special prosecutor...
    TOP OFFICIAL TAKES THE FIFTH...
    'I will not answer any questions or testify today'...
    'I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG'...
    'Takes Fifth After Trampling First'...
    IRS Fails to Comply With Congressional Demand for All Communications With WH...

    Armed 'Homeland' Guards Protect IRS From Tea Party Protesters...





    Change we can believe in ...
  • gut
    Seriously, how can a gubmit employee take the 5th and STILL be employed?
  • elbuckeye28
    Bigdogg;1446473 wrote:Sound of the Republican party imploding over fake scandals?







    Guess who is on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence? http://intelligence.house.gov/about/hpsci-majority-members plus John Boehner.

    Now this is funny, The Republican led Select Committee makes a request of the CIA Director, he honors the request and then the House investigates the results of that request as if they had nothing to do with the request. Full on idiots. The House committee wants to protect sources and methods with limited release of information in the first days after Benghazi but then investigate "talking points" that comply with the request.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/petraeuss-role-in-drafting-benghazi-talking-points-raises-questions/2013/05/21/db19f352-c165-11e2-ab60-67bba7be7813_story.html

    Running list of former explosive scandals that wingnuts thought were going to sink candidate, then President, now two-term President Obama:

    - Jeremiah Wright
    - Bill Ayers
    - Being born in Kenya
    - Being educated in Indonesia
    - Secretly a Muslim
    - His college transcripts
    - Tony Rezko
    - His law license
    - Derrick Bell
    - Smoking dope in school
    - Acorn
    - Tim Geithner's tax returns
    - Targeting conservative-run car dealerships
    - Illegally bailing out the UAW
    - Joe Sestak
    - Purposefully increasing the price of oil
    - Working with MediaMatters
    - Pentagon leaks
    - Apologizing for America
    - Bowing to foreign leaders
    - Teleprompters
    - Fast and Furious
    - Obamaphones
    - Solyndra
    - Vacation costs
    - Trip to India costs
    - Time spent playing golf
    - Denying extra embassy security so he could claim he'd beaten terrorism
    - Apologizing for the anti-Islam videos
    - Daughters protected by armed guards
    - Watching the Benghazi attacks live
    - Doctoring talking points
    It's no doubt that some of those were absolutely ridiculous (e.g. birth certificate) and weren't taken seriously by anybody with common sense.

    That being said, do you not see that the extremity of your posts toward the extreme-left indicate that you have same type of distortions, irrationality, and lack of perspective as those you mock on the extreme right?
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/22/Report-Rogue-IRS-Agent-Claim-Unraveling
  • HitsRus
    It's no doubt that some of those were absolutely ridiculous (e.g. birth certificate) and weren't taken seriously by anybody with common sense.

    That being said, do you not see that the extremity of your posts toward the extreme-left indicate that you have same type of distortions, irrationality, and lack of perspective as those you mock on the extreme right?
    This....and reps.

    But looking at the list, and considering the latest AP and IRS scandals, there is more than a few on there that a person with common sense could objectively question whether this is the kind of behavior one would expect from the POTUS and his senior staff.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1446538 wrote:tyr·an·ny

    /ˈtɪrəni/ Show Spelled [tir-uh-nee] noun, plural tyr·an·nies.
    1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship.
    Unrestrained?
    So, I guess Congress does not exist?
    In order to have unrestrained power, the Obama administration would have to have free reign over all, and no checks and balances. Yet, we are seeing now, they do not have that reign.
    Therefore, it is not tyranny.
    You just like to throw around the words to suite your own worldview.

    That said, the hearings today were a joke.
    And, this administration has lost its way and message.
  • superman
    ptown_trojans_1;1446819 wrote:Unrestrained?
    So, I guess Congress does not exist?
    In order to have unrestrained power, the Obama administration would have to have free reign over all, and no checks and balances. Yet, we are seeing now, they do not have that reign.
    Therefore, it is not tyranny.
    You just like to throw around the words to suite your own worldview.

    That said, the hearings today were a joke.
    And, this administration has lost its way and message.
    It says arbitrary or unrestrained.

    Reading is hard when you are spinning that fast.
  • QuakerOats
    ^^ I could give a rats arse about their 'message'. Where the he!! is leadership amid tough times.

    NONEXISTENT.


    obama talks so often nowadays about how he "will not tolerate" so much of what is going. Well, "will not tolerate" speech does not equal true leadership. He is a colossal fail. He may even be worse than that, and that I do suspect.
  • QuakerOats
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/23/irs-official-who-refused-to-testify-facing-more-scrutiny-over-scandal-past/


    Maybe she ought to be the first, but certainly not the last, to go to jail over this tyrannical activity.
  • gut
    So Obama will order Holder to review the DOJ policies with respect to journalists. Isn't that kind of like having the fox count your hens?