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QuakerOats

isadore

QuakerOats;1862404 wrote:Free People did all that, not the government, in service to each other.

gosh a ruddies, there representative government did.

QuakerOats

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isadore

O-Trap;1862411 wrote:I'm gonna try to keep this brief.

Good lord. You're not even reading what I'm saying if you think that's what I'm saying. My reference to Chicken Little was exclusively about your point that relying on charity is a recipe for "disaster." That's not being dismissive of your point. I suppose you could make the case that I was being dismissive of your sensationalistic language, but that's pretty much it.

And my point was not that aid isn't needed in crises. My actual statements said that when there are economic disasters, there's less money to be used in aid, regardless of who is giving it. Whether you're trying to collect it in taxes or donations, there's simply less of it during financial crises.
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Firstly, if you want to write a manifesto against capitalism, that's fine, but you're going to have to define what you think capitalism is before you take that trail too far, as it seems like a lot of people with views like yours tend to use a different description of it than others.

Second, Chomsky ultimately comes down on the same side as you regarding the virtues of a welfare state, so I'm really not sure what makes him a traitor. Because he doesn't agree with you on this matter? That seems short-sighted.

Third, you point to "suffering" during the Great Depression being significantly worse than in the more recent recession. To what are you referring, specifically, when you say "suffering?" The only negative statistic that notably increased was suicide, but the suicide rate during the Great Depression were lower than they were during the recession.

If you're going to pontificate about helping the suffering, at least use some specifics.

Excellent example of a straw man. Nobody said that the problem with the Bill of Rights was that it doesn't let people do whatever they want. If you're going to discuss this, please stay on the actual point. Replies are long enough as it is.

The Bill of Rights doesn't go far enough because it allows Person A to take Person B's property by gunpoint as long as Person A has a certain job.

That's cute. You think I have enough money to move to another country.

Fortunately, the circumstances I was in for that stretch of time are no longer the case. However, since you seem to be so insightful, I'd love to hear what else I could have cut out to make my situation better. My tax burden, between federal, state, and local, was about 35%, give or take.

So unless you can think of some ongoing expense we were incurring that was more significant than that, I call shenanigans on your dismissive statement about other causes for our situation that were more significant.

My wife's illness has no cure. She's required to eat this way for the rest of her life.

I now have a decent job. It's not phenomenal, but we've chosen to stay in our little house in a low-income neighborhood, so we're making ends meet, thank you.

Doesn't matter what you think of him as a person. His statement is true.

Roads predate governmental involvement. So does medicine, education, better irrigation systems, and improvements in sanitation.

What's more, when government mandates that they are the only ones allowed to do something, that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been done just as well without them.

I'll give you some of the public order part. I'm not an anarchist.

No matter how you dismiss it, private charity is inadequate for handling a large scale disaster, natural or economic. The government with the tools of progressive taxation and deficit spending is.
“A boom and bust cycle is a process of economic expansion and contraction that occurs repeatedly. The boom and bust cycle is a key characteristic of today's capitalist economies.” Given the nature of industrial and post industrial societies such as ours in the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] and 21[SUP]st[/SUP] centuries, private charities are unable to alleviate the suffering produced by extreme busts. Governments with their resources and powers are better able to do it.
Noam Chomsky is a traitorous pos.

Between 2008-2014 suicide rate started at 11.6 and rose by 2014 to 13
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db
Average rate of death by suicide (per 100,000 population)
1920-1928: 12.1
1929: 18.1
1930-1940: 15.4
http://www.shmoop.com/great-depression/statistics.htmla
What a horrible attack you make on our Bill of Rights, claiming that it provides a license for theft. You are either being dismissive again or you are completely ignorant of the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Amendment’s guarantee of procedural and substantive due process in dealing with the Federal Government and the later protections granted by the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] amendment in dealing with the state and local governments. They are there to protect your life, liberty and property from that greatly feared theft.
As to your much hoped for move away from representatives democracies, you should try gofundme
https://www.gofundme.com/?pc=thrive_google_search_branded_general_usa_192717562216__kwd-39962425074__45191702344_732245677_go%20fund%20me_e_c_g__9014878___1t1&gclid=CPmjr5uKh9UCFYSEaQod2UEFZw
Let everyone know how despicable you find our representative democracy, I am sure you can get some financial support.
My preference would be not to get so personal as to your financial decisions, but if you wish me to, ok. Your situation reflects poor planning. In your job selection, your savings, your use of credit cards. To blame on taxes is just a copout for your own financial incompetence. Or maybe it was just the natural operation of the market economy.
Gosh I did not realize you opposed public roads and public sanitation. You must be against public fire department to, after all they had them before governments got involved. Personally I like all the things listed in the meme and fire and police protection.
Penn Jillete is a selfish pos.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

For Isadore and O-Trap:

isadore

gosh a ruddies, he must have said that after he suffered a mental breakdown, diagnosed as "senile psychosis."

gut

Hey, lookee here, a Trump is finally on a REAL cover of Time Magazine!

Spock

gut;1862496 wrote:Hey, lookee here, a Trump is finally on a REAL cover of Time Magazine!

That should have Clinton on the front

Dr Winston O'Boogie

gut;1862496 wrote:Hey, lookee here, a Trump is finally on a REAL cover of Time Magazine!

Well done!

Heretic

Spock;1862513 wrote:That should have Clinton on the front

HOLY SHIT!!!! You actually, FINALLY, used "should have" instead of "should of"!!!!! We have achieved a breakthrough!!!!

I mean, you forgot the word "been" after the "should have", so the struggle still is real, but some progress is better than none.

QuakerOats

isadore;1862441 wrote:No matter how you dismiss it, private charity is inadequate for handling a large scale disaster, natural or economic. The government with the tools of progressive taxation and deficit spending is.

Private companies and Free People did more to help in the aftermath of Katrina than the BIGGEST government in the world.

Sorry to keep bursting your big liberal bubbles ..................but facts and reality do matter.

isadore

QuakerOats;1862526 wrote:Private companies and Free People did more to help in the aftermath of Katrina than the BIGGEST government in the world.

Sorry to keep bursting your big liberal bubbles ..................but facts and reality do matter.

gosh a ruddies, no they didn't
and at the time of the greatest economic crisis in our history, the Great Depression they failed.

queencitybuckeye

isadore

gosh a ruddies

QuakerOats

isadore;1862540 wrote:gosh a ruddies, no they didn't
and at the time of the greatest economic crisis in our history, the Great Depression they failed.

And who caused the Great Depression.....................................................checkmate

superman

Don't you guys get it?
The government is the only entity big enough to solve the problems caused by the government.

queencitybuckeye

isadore;1862550 wrote:gosh a ruddies

Incorrect. Not being interested in involuntarily handing over property is arguable the worst definition of tyranny ever stated.

isadore

QuakerOats;1862553 wrote:And who caused the Great Depression.....................................................checkmate

gosh a ruddies

isadore

queencitybuckeye;1862562 wrote:Incorrect. Not being interested in involuntarily handing over property is arguable the worst definition of tyranny ever stated.

gosh a ruddies, you live in a representative democracy, majority rule, minority rights given protections. If you think its a tyranny, emigrate.

iclfan2