Did the Obama administration lie about the embassy attacks?
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gut
There must be some deeply emotional reason. Otherwise, I don't see how anyone could look at what Obama has done and say "give me 4 more years of that"QuakerOats;1285390 wrote:At least you're big enough to publicly tell us you are voting for the Marxist, despite his epic failures as president.
Unfortunately, it still makes absolutely no sense. -
QuakerOats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KokXXsVGjfcgut;1285452 wrote:There must be some deeply emotional reason. Otherwise, I don't see how anyone could look at what Obama has done and say "give me 4 more years of that"
"thank you sir, may i have another..." -
jhay78
Point taken . . . honesty appreciated.BoatShoes;1285332 wrote:And so, despite his faults, Obama's getting my vote over Romney/Ryan and the supposed endorsement of today's insane version of the GOP that would come with that election. There are plenty of people on the left who no longer hope for audacity from Obama...
More than one non-right-wing-kook news source has labeled it more than just a bungle, and that the administration's narrative was less than truthful and that they indeed appear to have engaged in cover-up tactics. It looks to me like the campaign season had something to do with that.With regard Benghazi; I think this event was bungled in many ways. I don't think the administration told deliberate bald-faced lies knowing the whole truth of what they were saying was false nor maliciously tried to cover things up. I thought it was a bungle and a bad one but hindsight is 20-20. How many things do I have to list that he's done wrong? You won't accept anything but foot-stomping outrage that this was a total and complete disaster. Which it simply doesn't amount to in the grand course of history.
Somehow "apples vs. oranges" doesn't quite accurately encapsulate the differences between that situation and this one.I voted to give a guy who was on the watch when planes were flown into buildings on American soil and then used it as an excuse invade the wrong country four more years. This fail isn't going to deter me from voting for four more years for our current commander in chief -
HitsRus
Yes, but would you have voted for that guy if the economy was mired in **** with no improvement in the previous 4 years?I voted to give a guy who was on the watch when planes were flown into buildings on American soil and then used it as an excuse invade the wrong country four more years. This fail isn't going to deter me from voting for four more years for our current commander in chief. -
BGFalcons82
Didn't you hear? Bush created all of our problems and Our Dear Leader had no idea it was as bad as it was. He only had what...147 days to be present in the Senate? Clueless bastard wants 4 more years because he failed his first 4 years. C'mon, he deserves a do-over.HitsRus;1285619 wrote:Yes, but would you have voted for that guy if the economy was mired in **** with no improvement in the previous 4 years? -
gut
As much as he golfs I'd imagine he's fond of the mulliganBGFalcons82;1285636 wrote:Clueless bastard wants 4 more years because he failed his first 4 years. C'mon, he deserves a do-over. -
believer
And footwedges...right Footwedge? :laugh:gut;1285648 wrote:As much as he golfs I'd imagine he's fond of the mulligan -
HitsRus
Must be winter golf rules....he's always improving his 'lie'.
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BoatShoes
Surely you're right as no reasonable person could vote for Obama :rolleyes:gut;1285452 wrote:There must be some deeply emotional reason. Otherwise, I don't see how anyone could look at what Obama has done and say "give me 4 more years of that" -
BoatShoes
The economy has improved and things you thing are good ideas (as does Romney/Ryan) would actually make it worse you silly goose. :thumbup:HitsRus;1285619 wrote:Yes, but would you have voted for that guy if the economy was mired in **** with no improvement in the previous 4 years? -
BoatShoes
It's amazing that conservatives keep using the word "failed" saying "He's a failure," etc. He's actually been pretty successful under the circumstances. A necessary if inadequate fiscal stimulus that has lead us on the path to recovery that was intentionally sabotaged by Republicans firing people, a pretty successful foreign policy, passage of the affordable care act which has already started to control outrageous healthcare costs while retaining a private, market-oriented system and securing the sequester which will compel a budget deal.BGFalcons82;1285636 wrote:Didn't you hear? Bush created all of our problems and Our Dear Leader had no idea it was as bad as it was. He only had what...147 days to be present in the Senate? Clueless bastard wants 4 more years because he failed his first 4 years. C'mon, he deserves a do-over. -
Manhattan Buckeye
He's a failure.BoatShoes;1285847 wrote:It's amazing that conservatives keep using the word "failed" saying "He's a failure," etc. He's actually been pretty successful under the circumstances. A necessary if inadequate fiscal stimulus that has lead us on the path to recovery that was intentionally sabotaged by Republicans firing people, a pretty successful foreign policy, passage of the affordable care act which has already started to control outrageous healthcare costs while retaining a private, market-oriented system and securing the sequester which will compel a budget deal.
He's spent more money than we don't have more than any POTUS in history, yet our "reported" unemployment rate still remains above 8%. We'd be better off just giving money back to the taxpayers. I know you have a hard on for government workers that do nothing but still get a paycheck, but in the real world this will lead to a fiscal collapse. QE3 is the result of the government's "success."
Our new healthcare system is a job-killer and guarantees mediocre coverage for everyone at maximum costs. Bravo.
Back to the point of the thread, the foreign policy is amateurish. Our embassies were attacked and once again "blame and excuse" Obama administration points to some stupid film rather than their own incompetence and inability to work together. Despite Bill Clinton's address at the DONK convention it is obvious the Clintons and Obamas hate each other.
And you're voting for this?
If criticizing Obama makes me a conservative I'm right of Limbaugh. Obama has been a failure. What should we expect from someone with little political experience, little to no private sector experience and an academic record that has never been proven other than the names of the universities plus a man with an ego the size of North America to boot? -
gut
Really, no. He's a failure. The economy was stabilized shortly after he took office, all he had to do was sign his name. Then the stimulus should have put things on cruise control for a robust recovery from a deep recession. Obama and everyone knew it, which is why he went to work on Obamakare and his other pet projects. But then his job-killing, anti-business agenda took hold and put the brakes on the recovery. Those are the facts, whether "reasonable" people will acknowledge it or not.BoatShoes;1285845 wrote:Surely you're right as no reasonable person could vote for Obama :rolleyes: -
believer
It's good that you're finally seeing the light.BoatShoes;1285845 wrote:Surely you're right as no reasonable person could vote for Obama :rolleyes: -
jmog
That whole post is full of inaccuracies.BoatShoes;1285847 wrote:It's amazing that conservatives keep using the word "failed" saying "He's a failure," etc. He's actually been pretty successful under the circumstances. A necessary if inadequate fiscal stimulus that has lead us on the path to recovery that was intentionally sabotaged by Republicans firing people, a pretty successful foreign policy, passage of the affordable care act which has already started to control outrageous healthcare costs while retaining a private, market-oriented system and securing the sequester which will compel a budget deal.
ACA has not controlled costs, costs are getting worse.
Stimulus was a failure not because it was too small but because it didn't go to what we were promised (shovel ready) it went to union jobs like government jobs.
You even out right lied saying republicans intentionally fired people to stifle the economy. -
QuakerOats
We use the term because it quite aptly describes him and his presidency; actually we should capitalize FAILURE now because he has taken FAILURE to never-before-seen levels.BoatShoes;1285847 wrote:It's amazing that conservatives keep using the word "failed" saying "He's a failure," etc. He's actually been pretty successful under the circumstances.
Now if you want to talk about success, you would have to look at:
HISTORIC DEBT LEVELS - success / check
HISTORIC DEBT INCREASES - success / check
HISTORIC DEFICITS - success / check
HISTORIC SPENDING - success / check
HISTORIC SUSTAINED UNEMPLOYMENT - success / check
Downgrade of U.S. credit rating - success / check
War on Health CARE - success / check
War on Coal - success / check
War on Fossil Fuels - success / check
War on Capitalism - success / check
Massive '13 Tax increases - success / check
Appointment of THE MOST RADICAL LIBERALS ever to cabinet positions - success / check
Driver of the bus over the fiscal cliff - success / check
Only one on the bus with a golden parachute - success / check
Only a completely twisted mind could even come close to rationalizing any of these massive failures as somehow being successes. I mean we are talking about no amount of medication or therapy being helpful in bringing such a mind back to reality. So, I'll just pray for those minds. -
gutYa'all keep worrying about driving the bus over the cliff....that's why we got us a safety net
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jhay78
Jake Tapper at ABC News ain't going along with the "re-elect Obama" chorus in the media . . .
http://www.therightscoop.com/abc-news-exposes-memo-from-us-embassy-in-libya-that-detailed-vital-need-for-more-security/ -
TiernanDoesn't matter whether the Admn knew about it or not...the Ambassador is still dead and 94% of Americans couldn't find Libya on a world map in less than 5 minutes. Listen up folks this country is headed towards some real shit in the next 5 - 10 yrs and it starts with the reelection of BHO which we can't stop now. Protect yourselves best you can and get ready for some apocalyptic shit storms.
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fish82
Hopefully Mitt writes this one down on the "Magic Cheating Hankie" for use in a couple weeks.jhay78;1290520 wrote:Jake Tapper at ABC News ain't going along with the "re-elect Obama" chorus in the media . . .
http://www.therightscoop.com/abc-news-exposes-memo-from-us-embassy-in-libya-that-detailed-vital-need-for-more-security/ -
Cleveland Buck
Of course they lied. Every administration lies every time they tell you that they hate us because we are free (lol). Obama has created as many new enemies as the Bushes or Clinton or Reagan before him. You are all on the same side here and should all be celebrating together over the corpses of our young people who were sent out to die for the U.S. empire. -
BGFalcons82
Lara Logan decides to take on the White House - http://www.suntimes.com/news/washington/15581902-452/reporter-lara-logan-brings-ominous-news-from-middle-east.html
Some interesting snippets:“There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!”
Oh wait...I forgot...Obama's strength is his foreign policy. Certainly he knows more about it than Lara Logan...right?“You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script.” -
ptown_trojans_1
Well, Romney's FP speech yesterday was alright, but not a homerun. It was better, but still, lacks any of the analysis that the President usually adds in his speeches.
Some nice analysis by someone who knows what he is talking about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/does-romney-truly-understand-the-middle-east-revolution/2012/10/09/ac623cce-1204-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html?hpid=z2 -
fish82
At this point, he doesn't need to hit a home run on FP. "All right" will get him through just fine.ptown_trojans_1;1291146 wrote:Well, Romney's FP speech yesterday was alright, but not a homerun. It was better, but still, lacks any of the analysis that the President usually adds in his speeches.
Some nice analysis by someone who knows what he is talking about:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/does-romney-truly-understand-the-middle-east-revolution/2012/10/09/ac623cce-1204-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html?hpid=z2