So What Changes if Romney is Elected?

• I Wear Pants

  Con_Alma;1213664 wrote:The laws we put in place are to support and reflect that which we are seeking to become. We may never get there. When these laws were put into place it was a reflection of the desire of the masses of people to move towards a culture which was without drug use. We seem to be going in the opposite direction now with our desire. I believe there will be a day when the masses are not interested in moving towards a drug free society. When the masses are at that point, drugs will be decriminalized or not made to be illegal.
  
  Our society is what we want it to be so long as defined rights are not violated.
  
  You don't see me rabble about government spending when it comes to the military or law enforcement....infact you have seen me post in great support of such use of resources. I am not suggesting we look aside and be inefficent with regards to our tax usage. I am for governemnt spendingn on those things we need and "want" as a culture. I don't, however need, them and it's important to express to them what I want from them, to spend money on ridiculous non-governemnt items that we should be doing in the private sector.
  
  If the drug war is ineffective, I say lets fight to increase it's effectiveness as opposed to simply ending it.

  If the desire is to lessen drug use I say again, the current (and for the past 50 years or so strategy) does not decrease drug use but does the opposite.
  
  You seem to be ignoring reality here. If you want a drug free society (never going to happen, but whatever) the current policy is just about the worst one you could possibly take.
  
  "Increase it's effectiveness"? Please tell me, how would you go about that? More prisons, more arrests, more violence? Yeah that will surely work.
  
  http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/high-school-youth-trends
  
  Yeah lets keep doing the same thing (or do more of it) it's really been working. Doubled teen marijuana usage since 1990. Great job guys, let's dump another trillion into the same, obviously very effective, programs.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1213876 wrote:What changes? ..... a president will sign congressional legislation completely overturning obamacare.
  
  
  
  For that alone, every real American should be voting for Mr. Romney.

  This shit is disgusting. You should be ashamed.
• QuakerOats

  Actually, I'm proud. It is high time to call out the radicals for their un-American agendas and dictates.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1214001 wrote:Actually, I'm proud. It is high time to call out the radicals for their un-American agendas and dictates.

  You are a radical. You have nothing but GOP talking points for opinions.
• QuakerOats

  You know the republic is in serious peril when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "radical".
  
  Tis a sad day for freedom lovers ......... a good day for socialists, marxists and other lovers of BIG government.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1214024 wrote:You know the republic is in serious peril when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "radical".
  
  Tis a sad day for freedom lovers ......... a good day for socialists, marxists and other lovers of BIG government.

  You don't defend liberty. You sometimes get lucky and defend it by accident but you defend big government and unending war in the next breath. You are no more a defender of liberty than someone spouting Democratic talking points which is to say you aren't one at all.
• QuakerOats

  I Wear Pants;1214029 wrote: but you defend big government and unending war in the next breath.

  Again, complete untruths.
• Footwedge

  Thread brings out lolz.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  O-Trap;1213631 wrote:It's hard to believe this guy's foreign policy is what tipped some Republicans into his corner.

  Yeah, it is filled with former Bush folks and neocons, mainly John Bolton. Huge turnoff for me.

  majorspark;1213654 wrote:Willard:
  
  
  Willard needs to be called on this. When did the president get this capacity? Under what authority? Bill Krystol was at least making a solid legal argument. Willard's vapid response was quite telling. We are rapidly becoming a government of men and not laws. The legislative branch is allowing its balls to be snipped. They fail to defend the rule of law and their own power. Yeah they bitch but that is it. No action. Throwing the rule of law under the bus in the name of party politics. Because that is what really matters. Political power. The current leader of the executive branch has told congress when they are in recess and made appointments outside of the rule of law. No action. The current leader of the executive branch has he said will not enforce certain laws passed by the legislative branch. Though he is on record as saying he has no legal authority to do so. Again no action. God save the republic.

  believer;1213666 wrote:Not entirely accurate.
  
  As Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, the POTUS has Constitutional authority to use military action at his or her discretion. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 does require that the POTUS to seek "Congressional authorization" OR an official declaration of war within 48 hours of committing troops.
  
  However, that authorization or declaration of war from Congress need not occur for up to 60 days. If it does not occur, the POTUS has an additional 30 days to withdraw the troops.
  
  Basically the POTUS can unilaterally wage war at his or her discretion for up to 90 days without Congressional approval.

  
  Right on. Traditionally, the Prez had to go to Congress for war, but really throughout history, the President has sent troops here and there as needed without Congress. Then, the Cold War came, and the President needed to have the ability to defend the country from the threat of nuclear war. The President slowly grew power, that led to Korea, which lead to Nam, which lead to the War Powers Act. Now, Presidents still don;t really abide by it, but no one wants to bring it before the courts, cause it may get struck down.
  
  The point is the President can use force, but if he doesn't want to tick off Congress, he needs to at least get some sort of approval.

  QuakerOats;1213876 wrote:What changes? ..... a president will sign congressional legislation completely overturning obamacare.
  
  
  
  For that alone, every real American should be voting for Mr. Romney.

  Good luck with that. Romney has not specified how he would do that. How would he get it through the Senate? What would he compromise on? Would R's support a repeal of Obamacare for a deal on taxes?
  In order to break the 60, R's will have to give and "gasp" compromise.
  

  QuakerOats;1214024 wrote:You know the republic is in serious peril when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "radical".
  
  Tis a sad day for freedom lovers ......... a good day for socialists, marxists and other lovers of BIG government.

  Rhetoric my friend. Thanks for the laugh chicken little. Man, I'm trying to figure out which liberties I have lost over the past couple years. As far as I know, I think things are better for me over the last few years. Man, those damn liberties. I'm glad I am losing them....
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "As far as I know, I think things are better for me over the last few years."
  
  To be fair, don't you work for the Feds? The majority of people that don't are far worse off now. It's a bit telling that the only part of the country not in a world of #^$ right now other than North Dakota is DC, Montgomery County MD and NoVa.
  
  How long do you think that gravy train is going to last? I'd get my resume ready.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1214729 wrote:"As far as I know, I think things are better for me over the last few years."
  
  To be fair, don't you work for the Feds? The majority of people that don't are far worse off now. It's a bit telling that the only part of the country not in a world of #^$ right now other than North Dakota is DC, Montgomery County MD and NoVa.
  
  How long do you think that gravy train is going to last? I'd get my resume ready.

  Not the feds, defense contractors. So, part right. Even with the defense cuts looming, and the tight economy, my company has had solid, solid growth over the past year and a half.
  
  Will that end? Possible, but I always have options in the area.
  And I'll say this area has the most competition for jobs in the country. The IQ and education level here is the highest in the country.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "And I'll say this area has the most competition for jobs in the country."
  
  Of course, it is the only place that is hiring. DC might have the highest IQ in the States (although given the track record of the last few years, anyone would dispute that), but I'd put the worst of the people I know at the American Club abroad against the best in DC - and take a big handicap on that.
  
  The U.S. is failing - DC getting bigger doesn't seem to be helping much, at least with this administration in charge.
• O-Trap

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1214793 wrote:The U.S. is failing - DC getting bigger doesn't seem to be helping much, at least with this administration in charge.

  I wouldn't exactly vindicate the last one, either.
• I Wear Pants

  Things have been better for me and my family as well since 2009 or so. Dad has seen pay increases and it's much easier for me to find work as well.
• O-Trap

  

  I Wear Pants;1214826 wrote:Things have been better for me and my family as well since 2009 or so. Dad has seen pay increases and it's much easier for me to find work as well.

  This is honestly good to hear. I wish I could say the same.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  O-Trap;1214827 wrote:This is honestly good to hear. I wish I could say the same.

  So would the vast majority of Americans. I don't care about IWP's anecdotal experience, there are outliers in nearly every situation. The United States has been the United States of Suck for the last few years - if IWP is doing great, fine. He can buy me Breaking Bad season 5 on iTunes. My net worth has been flat, if not a bit below - but that's because we had to move away from our family and friends. The facts are still the facts. Unemployment is outrageously high, commodity prices are outrageously high, foreclosures continue to set records, the Treasury is assuming record amounts of debt, and our young people are facing the worst job market in generations while dealing with exceptional debt.
  
  Good times. Can't wait for 4 more years.
• I Wear Pants

  Manhattan Buckeye;1214829 wrote:So would the vast majority of Americans. I don't care about IWP's anecdotal experience, there are outliers in nearly every situation. The United States has been the United States of Suck for the last few years - if IWP is doing great, fine. He can buy me Breaking Bad season 5 on iTunes. My net worth has been flat, if not a bit below - but that's because we had to move away from our family and friends. The facts are still the facts. Unemployment is outrageously high, commodity prices are outrageously high, foreclosures continue to set records, the Treasury is assuming record amounts of debt, and our young people are facing the worst job market in generations while dealing with exceptional debt.
  
  Good times. Can't wait for 4 more years.

  I mean, I have a fuck load of student loans but it hasn't been hard for me to find a job (s) and my dad is still gainfully employed.
  
  I'll email you links to Breaking Bad episodes if you want (thieving bastard I am).
  
  Unemployment is still too high, commodities are still too high, as are foreclosures. I'm just saying that it isn't all to do with Obama and the GOP doctrine won't fix most of it. Shitty situation since everyone blows.
  
  Edit: And your "united states of sucK" statement applies before Obama took office as well. This isn't a blame Bush thing but I'm getting just as sick of the blame Obama thing. Anyone that thinks either one of those two are responsible for all our current problems is probably a moron.
• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1214772 wrote:Not the feds, defense contractors. So, part right. Even with the defense cuts looming, and the tight economy, my company has had solid, solid growth over the past year and a half.
  
  Will that end? Possible, but I always have options in the area.
  And I'll say this area has the most competition for jobs in the country. The IQ and education level here is the highest in the country.

  Sooooooo....the "smart peeps" know that Uncle Sugar is handing out lucrative defense contracts and are moving to the Beltway?
  
  Meantime the morons in fly-over country are sending our tax dollars to the idiots on Capitol Hill so all the smart peeps can collect their Federally subsidized great pay with great benefits....that is if we morons can find the jobs to do it.
• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;1214857 wrote: Unemployment is still too high, commodities are still too high, as are foreclosures....

  ????
  
  What commodities do you think are too high? There are a lot of near 52 week lows out there right now with the exception of soybean and wheat.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1214772 wrote: The IQ and education level here is the highest in the country.

  
  And we see where that has gotten us. The intellectual elites have just about buried us.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1214651 wrote: Man, I'm trying to figure out which liberties I have lost over the past couple years. As far as I know, I think things are better for me over the last few years. Man, those damn liberties. I'm glad I am losing them....

  
  Then perhaps you should look at it in an inverse fashion: Government has grown 52% under obama vs. the average of the W years; if you don't understand that you have lost liberties and become enslaved to government (in monetary terms to the tune of now over $140,000 per taxpayer in debt alone, not including the horrific regulatory monster that has been created), then perhaps you aren't the smart youngster I thought you were. WOW.
• Footwedge

  I Wear Pants;1214857 wrote: Edit: And your "united states of sucK" statement applies before Obama took office as well. This isn't a blame Bush thing but I'm getting just as sick of the blame Obama thing. Anyone that thinks either one of those two are responsible for all our current problems is probably a moron.

  And we have a winner. Although I will say Obama has stepped up to the plate in addressing the outsourcing problems and he is to be commended for doing so. Something the last guy ran from.
  
  And let me add this. Had McCain been elected into office, he would have done the exact same thing in expanding government to curtail the huge unemployment in this country. Any conservative that thinks otherwise is not a moron...but a full blown fuckin idiot.
  
  History, and the the ball, don't lie.
• O-Trap

  

  Footwedge;1215097 wrote:Had McCain been elected into office, he would have done the exact same thing in expanding government to curtail the huge unemployment in this country. Any conservative that thinks otherwise is not a moron...but a full blown fuckin idiot.
  
  History, and the the ball, don't lie.

  But if we elect Romney ... somehow, things will be different this time. :rolleyes:
• Footwedge

  QuakerOats;1215044 wrote:Then perhaps you should look at it in an inverse fashion: Government has grown 52% under obama vs. the average of the W years; if you don't understand that you have lost liberties and become enslaved to government (in monetary terms to the tune of now over $140,000 per taxpayer in debt alone, not including the horrific regulatory monster that has been created), then perhaps you aren't the smart youngster I thought you were. WOW.

  And shame on you for failing to understand the basic principles of economic reaction as been the exact same with either an R or a D running things. Yes, we have a shitty economy...ever since the economic collapse in 08 under Bush's watch. When he left office, the Dow was under 8000. Why was that? Was that Bush's fault? That the net equity of all Americans dropped cumulatively at 35%. Yes or no?
  
  The expansion of the wars, the expansion of welfare, the expansion of government is a direct result of Depression part 2. Bush initiated the huge government expansion in the final year before he limped out of office. Obama continued the exact same protocol as Bush, Reagan, and Ford for that matter.
  
  You people a more than a tad annoying blaming Obama for this government expansion, whenever the history books are riddled with the exact same Keynesian economic policies implemented by your heroes with an R following their names.
  
  Pathetic and disgusting.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1215044 wrote:Then perhaps you should look at it in an inverse fashion: Government has grown 52% under obama vs. the average of the W years; if you don't understand that you have lost liberties and become enslaved to government (in monetary terms to the tune of now over $140,000 per taxpayer in debt alone, not including the horrific regulatory monster that has been created), then perhaps you aren't the smart youngster I thought you were. WOW.

  Keep on telling everyone that doesn't agree with you that they aren't smart. I'm sure that'll make everyone come around. :rolleyes: