Black Voters

• stlouiedipalma

  Nothing like a thread about the black vote to get you righties all worked up. I've yet to see one intelligent post explaining why Obama won't get a huge percentage of the black vote or, for that matter, what Republicans have done to attract the black vote.
  
  The Republicans' answer to countering Obama's appeal to blacks is voter ID laws, brought on by the lie that voter fraud is rampant, but really a thinly veiled disguise for voter suppression. The R's have always been all about voter supression. They can't beat 'em, so they'll disqualify 'em. Isn't that how it works?
• isadore

  jmog;1112007 wrote:You do realize the deregulation of the banks/loans was started by Carter and enforced/pushed by Clinton right?
  
  They forced banks to qualify people (read poor) who should never have qualified for loans.

  Where ever deregulation began it was a horrendous mistake which is continued to be pushed by the Republcians. It is interesting that your sympathy is with the banks not with the working people who were taken advantage of by them.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?"
  
  The only metropolitan area that has survived the Great (Depression 2) Recession is Washington, D.C. This disaster of an administration has not only acted in the opposite of hope and change, but actually doubled down on crony capitalism and payola.
  
  I'm embarrassed to be an American. I'm glad Michelle Obama is now proud.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  stlouiedipalma;1112014 wrote:Nothing like a thread about the black vote to get you righties all worked up. I've yet to see one intelligent post explaining why Obama won't get a huge percentage of the black vote or, for that matter, what Republicans have done to attract the black vote.

  I've also yet to see one intelligent post explaining why those black people will continue to vote for Obama in November.
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1112013 wrote:Right you are supporter of the party of people. Bank America and its ilk prepared instruments to beguile the working Americans to try for their dream of home ownership. Then when their names were on the dotted line they found themselves in a trap. Decent people sympathize with the victims. The rest support the banks.

  The "trap" was that they tried to buy a more expensive house than they can afford. They weren't victims, they were just greedy. Instead of buying their dream home, they should buy the home that they can afford to buy at that point their life.
• isadore

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112018 wrote:"WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?"
  
  The only metropolitan area that has survived the Great (Depression 2) Recession is Washington, D.C. This disaster of an administration has not only acted in the opposite of hope and change, but actually doubled down on crony capitalism and payola.
  
  I'm embarrassed to be an American. I'm glad Michelle Obama is now proud.

  just think how embarassed the rest of us are that you are an American.
• stlouiedipalma

  Al Bundy;1112023 wrote:The "trap" was that they tried to buy a more expensive house than they can afford. They weren't victims, they were just greedy. Instead of buying their dream home, they should buy the home that they can afford to buy at that point their life.

  I suppose "predatory lender" is something you've never heard of, right?
• stlouiedipalma

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112018 wrote:"WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?"
  
  The only metropolitan area that has survived the Great (Depression 2) Recession is Washington, D.C. This disaster of an administration has not only acted in the opposite of hope and change, but actually doubled down on crony capitalism and payola.
  
  I'm embarrassed to be an American. I'm glad Michelle Obama is now proud.

  
  When BHO wins his second term, does that mean you will leave the country?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  isadore;1112028 wrote:just think how embarassed the rest of us are that you are an American.

  But you'll take my tax dollars, right? In '11 that was about 50 grand friendo. And we don't even live there. How much did you pay?
• isadore

  bigdaddy2003;1112020 wrote:I've also yet to see one intelligent post explaining why those black people will continue to vote for Obama in November.

  if you have read through this thread and vistied other threads on this site you would know why black people would continue to vote for President Obama.
• stlouiedipalma

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112031 wrote:But you'll take my tax dollars, right? In '11 that was about 50 grand friendo. And we don't even live there. How much did you pay?

  
  
  I paid just above 25% last year. And your expat status was your decision, was it not?
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1112023 wrote:The "trap" was that they tried to buy a more expensive house than they can afford. They weren't victims, they were just greedy. Instead of buying their dream home, they should buy the home that they can afford to buy at that point their life.

  Gosh a ruddies people were offered the false hope of bettering themselves, living the American dream by a bunch of sleazy lying corporate financial scum bags. You are a Democrat that sympathizes with these rip off artists over the working people of America.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  isadore;1112032 wrote:if you have read through this thread and vistied other threads on this site you would know why black people would continue to vote for President Obama.

  Well I have read through this thread and many others on this site and I still don't understand.
• isadore

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112031 wrote:But you'll take my tax dollars, right? In '11 that was about 50 grand friendo. And we don't even live there. How much did you pay?

  The correct percentage based on my income. Most of the families who lost members fighting to protect our nation paid less than $50,000 dollars in taxes. In your view that makes them lesser Americans than you.
• isadore

  bigdaddy2003;1112039 wrote:Well I have read through this thread and many others on this site and I still don't understand.

  That is not a surprise.
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1112038 wrote:Gosh a ruddies people were offered the false hope of bettering themselves, living the American dream by a bunch of sleazy lying corporate financial scum bags. You are a Democrat that sympathizes with these rip off artists over the working people of America.

  I don't sympathize with either side. If someone spends more than their means allow, they made a poor choice. We all dream of certain material things, but we have to have enough discipline to live within our means. I believe that someone should be smart enough to make that decision. You believe that people are too stupid to manage their own money. Just because you are too stupid to manage money, it doesn't mean that everyone is.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  stlouiedipalma;1112036 wrote:I paid just above 25% last year. And your expat status was your decision, was it not?

  Yeah, because the Obamaconomy sucks. We could have foreclosed on our primary home, declared bankruptcy and become a burden of the State, instead we were forward thinking and relied on ourselves instead of the welfare state. We still own two homes in the USA (neither have any chances of selling anytime soon, renting is keeping us afloat for now, but you can't sell a house in an area where there are NO JOBS - its the economy stupid!, Remember 1992?), and we vote (against the emperor in clothes in chief this November), but that's our only ties.
  
  We might not move back. The country made the worst decision ever in '08, only to be eclipsed by a worse decision this November. What has Obama done? Nothing. He was unqualified. He is incompetent, and Loreal can't put enough lipstick on a pig to make his administration look good. He's killed the economy.
• stlouiedipalma

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112052 wrote:Yeah, because the Obamaconomy sucks. We could have foreclosed on our primary home, declared bankruptcy and become a burden of the State, instead we were forward thinking and relied on ourselves instead of the welfare state. We still own two homes in the USA (neither have any chances of selling anytime soon, renting is keeping us afloat for now, but you can't sell a house in an area where there are NO JOBS - its the economy stupid!, Remember 1992?), and we vote (against the emperor in clothes in chief this November), but that's our only ties.
  
  We might not move back. The country made the worst decision ever in '08, only to be eclipsed by a worse decision this November. What has Obama done? Nothing. He was unqualified. He is incompetent, and Loreal can't put enough lipstick on a pig to make his administration look good. He's killed the economy.

  
  For someone who enjoys ex-pat status, owns two homes in the US and paid $50,000 in taxes, your claim of the economy being killed rings a little hollow. Sounds like you're making quite a bit while out of the country. Sounds like you and Mitt have more in common than most.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  isadore;1112045 wrote:That is not a surprise.

  And your response doesn't surprise me. Thanks for proving your point. /sarcasm
• isadore

  Al Bundy;1112050 wrote:I don't sympathize with either side. If someone spends more than their means allow, they made a poor choice. We all dream of certain material things, but we have to have enough discipline to live within our means. I believe that someone should be smart enough to make that decision. You believe that people are too stupid to manage their own money. Just because you are too stupid to manage money, it doesn't mean that everyone is.

  .Throughout the discussion you have claimed to be a Democrat while attacking avearge working people for exercising their dream of home ownership.
  By attacking them you have given support for the big banking institutions that have used and abused them. If you do not believe that those institutions with their resources and greed can provide glittering offers that can trick average working people into bad investments then you either blind or supportive of these blood sucking financial institutions.
• isadore

  bigdaddy2003;1112064 wrote:And your response doesn't surprise me. Thanks for proving your point. /sarcasm

  Anyone who understands and uses sarcasm doesn't need to label it.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  stlouiedipalma;1112063 wrote:For someone who enjoys ex-pat status, owns two homes in the US and paid $50,000 in taxes, your claim of the economy being killed rings a little hollow. Sounds like you're making quite a bit while out of the country. Sounds like you and Mitt have more in common than most.

  Yeah, we work.
  
  And we work hard. I traveled OOC (out of country, as opposed to out of conference) 76 days in '11, my wife - 205. That's correct, 205. She spent more time out of country than at home.
  
  A choice? Sure, but not much of one. What else are we going to do? Her company (UK based) more or less mandates an international move to continue advancing for promotions - my industry (legal) absolutely imploded in the Obamaconomy, unless someone is working in bankruptcy or (as I like to call it) hail mary plaintiff's work, the industry has taken a hit with the sour economy. My old place once hired 40 people a year, now it is down to 4.
  
  I'd love to see the U.S. turn it around, but ridiculously biased media reports and a Chief Executive Officer with practically zero experience isn't fanning my flames. The economy sucks, and what's worse is there isn't a timeline in sight for a real recovery. Expanding government while going into more debt isn't a solution, IMO.
• Al Bundy

  isadore;1112066 wrote:.Throughout the discussion you have claimed to be a Democrat while attacking avearge working people for exercising their dream of home ownership.
  By attacking them you have given support for the big banking institutions that have used and abused them. If you do not believe that those institutions with their resources and greed can provide glittering offers that can trick average working people into bad investments then you either blind or supportive of these blood sucking financial institutions.

  I am a democrat, but that doesn't mean I don't think people shouldn't have a basic education before buying a home. You are basically saying that it is the banks fault that someone can't do middle school math to figure out if they can afford a home. Most people can do the math, but they live in an entitlement society and feel that everything should be given to them. It really isn't that hard. If your take home pay is $2,000/month, you shouldn't sign a mortgage for more than around $600/month. If you can't afford that, you simply don't take the mortgage. I would love to have a million dollar house, but I know that I can't afford that. It isn't the fault of the government or the banks or anyone else that I can't afford, it is just an economic reality.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  isadore;1112068 wrote:Anyone who understands and uses sarcasm doesn't need to label it.

  Right. So lets get back to the issue at hand. I believe we were all waiting for you to give a valid reason why the black vote stays where it does.
• stlouiedipalma

  Manhattan Buckeye;1112069 wrote:Yeah, we work.
  
  And we work hard. I traveled OOC (out of country, as opposed to out of conference) 76 days in '11, my wife - 205. That's correct, 205. She spent more time out of country than at home.
  
  A choice? Sure, but not much of one. What else are we going to do? Her company (UK based) more or less mandates an international move to continue advancing for promotions - my industry (legal) absolutely imploded in the Obamaconomy, unless someone is working in bankruptcy or (as I like to call it) hail mary plaintiff's work, the industry has taken a hit with the sour economy. My old place once hired 40 people a year, now it is down to 4.
  
  I'd love to see the U.S. turn it around, but ridiculously biased media reports and a Chief Executive Officer with practically zero experience isn't fanning my flames. The economy sucks, and what's worse is there isn't a timeline in sight for a real recovery. Expanding government while going into more debt isn't a solution, IMO.

  
  I know you've spoken before about your situation, and I sympathize with the choices you've had to make. I spent the better part of half of my last two years at work (before I retired) OOC. I didn't qualify for ex-pat status, but I worked with several who did and they made out like bandits.
  
  As for "zero experience", I don't believe that any candidate for President has the requisite experience to prepare him for the position. To use that tag against Obama is ludicrous at best. Running a business is nothing remotely close to running a government.
  
  I also believe that the economy is improving. We were so close to the abyss in 2008 it isn't funny. Putting the party responsible back in charge is not an option for me.