Republican candidates for 2012

• jmog

  BGFalcons82;883756 wrote:If you have 10 minutes or so, I invite you to read Palin's speech in Iowa a couple days ago - http://nation.foxnews.com/sarah-palin/2011/09/03/palin-takes-wrecking-ball-establishment
  
  So many call her delusional, a wing-nut, a radical, etc. and yet, when you read what she's saying, it makes sense. In summary, she lambastes crony capitalism - from BOTH parties, she takes Obama to task for his incompetence/lack of experience, and she lays out what she would do to get our country back on track. Even the Left would agree with her on some points, such as eliminating corporate welfare and tying up loopholes used to perpetuate the crony's well-being. Her main points:
  
  1. Eliminate the feds from all things not under their direct control and return to the 10th Amendment principles. Empower people and entrepreneuers, not politicians.
  2. Reign-in burdensome regulations and eliminate most of all...ObamaKare.
  3. Stop runaway debt. Balance the budget. Attack entitlement spending while we have a choice and not when we won't have one.
  4. Become an energy superpower and dramatically reduce our reliance on foreign purveyors and leeches.
  5. Reduce or eliminate corporate taxes, eliminate corporate welfare, attract foreign investors, and bring companies that fled the U.S. due to the punishing tax structure back home.
  
  Good stuff from Sarah.

  I would love to see a Sarah ticket with Paul as the VP.
• I Wear Pants

  That was awful.
• fish82

  

  I Wear Pants;884164 wrote:That was awful.

  LOL...If Sarah Palin waved a magic wand and made you sh!t golden eggs, you'd still hate her.
• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;884164 wrote:That was awful.

  Insightful. Thoughtful. Deep. Intuitive.
  
  Care to explain the awful part?
• believer

  

  fish82;884184 wrote:LOL...If Sarah Palin waved a magic wand and made you sh!t golden eggs, you'd still hate her.

  Palin's a vocal, ambitious reasonably intelligent female Republican. Not to mention she's boinkable. Of course the haters are gonna hate.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Always laugh when people rant about how dumb she is. I've watched a lot of interviews and never once thought wow this broad is an idiot. Obama and Biden have more gaffes than she does but I never hear anyone say anything about Barry and not nearly enough about Biden.
• jmog

  bigdaddy2003;884302 wrote:Always laugh when people rant about how dumb she is. I've watched a lot of interviews and never once thought wow this broad is an idiot. Obama and Biden have more gaffes than she does but I never hear anyone say anything about Barry and not nearly enough about Biden.

  That's because if anyone insults Obama's intelligence it is racist!
• bigdaddy2003

  

  jmog;884518 wrote:That's because if anyone insults Obama's intelligence it is racist!

  That's true!
• majorspark

  

  jmog;884518 wrote:That's because if anyone insults Obama's intelligence it is racist!

  Using the left's logic. There are a lot of sexist bigots on the left.
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants;884164 wrote:That was awful.

  Clearly you are a sexist bigot.
• Belly35

  

  Seems the popularity of Obama politic are fading …. with every new failure
  
  Hey! Ty why haven’t you posted this poll rating? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns/politics/?gt1=43001
  
  At this point anyone with a idea that is in the realm of American is a great County and government is not the answer will destroy Obama in 2012.
  
  2012 will be a landslide victory for the GOP with Obama posting those type of poll rating numbers.
  
• gut

  I'm sure the Bammer's speech Thursday will help his poll numbers a lot more than the economic numbers.
• O-Trap

  

  Belly35;884805 wrote:Seems the popularity of Obama politic are fading …. with every new failure
  
  Hey! Ty why haven’t you posted this poll rating? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns/politics/?gt1=43001
  
  At this point anyone with a idea that is in the realm of American is a great County and government is not the answer will destroy Obama in 2011.
  
  2011 will be a landslide victory for the GOP with Obama posting those type of poll rating numbers.
  

  
  In 2011, you say?
• bigdaddy2003

  

  It won't be a landslide but I do believe he will lose.
• Belly35

  

  O-Trap;884918 wrote:In 2011, you say?

  sorry I would love to get rid of Obama in 2011 .. the soomer the better
• iclfan2

  

  Why does msnbc not put these peoples names up when they are speaking. So stupid. Looks like it is going to be a Perry - Romney (who I don't want to have to vote for) shootout.
• pmoney25

  

  I do not like Perry, he seemed uncomfortable and honestly seems like a guy who gave a powerpoint presentation instead of actual ideas.
• jhay78

  

  ccrunner609;886834 wrote:MSNBC thinks that putting this on their channel makes these guys look bad......I just saw 5 guys that will mop the floor with Obama in a debate.
  
  Newt is my favorite for sure.

  Yeah, I definitely like Newt. Probably the sharpest intellectually of the bunch. However, I thought it ironic that he was warning fellow Republicans to avoid taking cheap shots at each other when the real opponent is Obama, yet he was barely a candidate for 5 minutes when he took a nightstick to the kneecaps of Paul Ryan's plan to salvage Medicare.
  
  Oh well, I don't see him getting the nomination, but he definitely needs to have some input in the White House either as VP or Secretary of Fill in the Blank.
  

  pmoney25;886846 wrote:I do not like Perry, he seemed uncomfortable and honestly seems like a guy who gave a powerpoint presentation instead of actual ideas.

  I like Perry, but I know what you're talking about. I don't like it when he and the others lean so heavily on the cheap political points of "Oh yeah, well I created more jobs than . . ." and "Oh yeah, well your great-uncle didn't create as many jobs as my great-uncle", etc, etc. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that anyone on that stage tonight could help the economy and inspire more risk-takers and wealth-creators to invest in job-creating activities than Obama could. So we really don't need you guys pandering to the lowest common intellectual denominator of "Jobsjobsjobsjobsjobs . . ." ad infinitum.
• stlouiedipalma

  Looks to me like it's gonna be either Perry or Romney.
  
  Bachmann is fading fast. Wouldn't be surprised if she is out of this thing by November.
  Newt is...well, Newt. He's like the little fat man in the corner of the room raising his voice and his hand in an effort to be heard. Unfortunately he has nothing to say.
  Ron Paul...the Republicans' version of Dennis Kucinich. Need I say more? I'll bet his supporters have those Star Trek uniforms cleaned and pressed.
  Rick Santorum...is he still in this? So far off the radar I'm surprised he doesn't wear a name tag.
  Herman Cain...whenever I see him I am reminded of belly. 'Nuff said.
  Huntsman...possibly the voice of reason in the Republican Party, but no one in the party wants any part of reason these days.
  
  
  So I believe it's Perry and Romney. Romney being the old school candidate who can't win the South and Perry as a dumbed-down version of George W. Bush (imagine that being possible) who can't win over the moderates or independents.
  
  Something's got to give and my money's on Mitt. I say that common sense takes over in the next year and Republicans rally around the only candidate who can beat Obama.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  
  
  Looks like Perry had enough of Dr. Paul pointing out to everyone what a piece of shit he is.
• BoatShoes

  Caught the debate on MSNBC.com. Romney impresses me. I think he's become a little more charismatic as well. I was expecting Rick Perry to be more charismatic and give a little more substance. I wish they wouldn't put Romey and Perry in the middle...like they're not even trying to pretend like they're the candidates who are going to get the most action and they stick Ron Paul off in the corner, etc. Caught Pawlenty on the Colbert Report too and he was so much better then I ever saw him on the campaign trail. I hope Romney wins. He's got Greg Mankiw as his chief economic adviser and he's a reasonable and good economist who would not follow that hardline of the right wing and has a more nuanced position on the government's role in stimulating the economy.
• jmog

  stlouiedipalma;886995 wrote:Something's got to give and my money's on Mitt. I say that common sense takes over in the next year and Republicans rally around the only candidate who can beat Obama.

  Don't be so sure, Obama is only up by 1 point in polls vs Perry.
  
  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_perry_vs_obama-2701.html
• pmoney25

  

  Perry just doesnt come across to me as intelligent. If he runs against obama he will lose especially once people start to see who he really is I want nothing more thanfor obama to lose. I just don't see perry appealing to independants.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Observations from the debate:
  
  1. What the hell kind of format was that? Brian Williams and his sidekick looked like they were asking random questions to random candidates. They also basically ignored Cain and Santorum. They tried to ignore Ron Paul too, but he wouldn't let them by going after Perry. I think he figures the way to get in the limelight is to go after those already in it.
  
  2. What was the walking questioner all about? Why can't that guy sit down and ask questions like the other two? What makes him so special? By getting in the camera shot, he also made it appear the candidates were talking down to him. This is a visual ploy by NBC to make the Repubs appear "above the fray". See if they do that to Barry's gang.
  
  3. Romney looked strong. Perry looked like a rookie in his first debate...he'll get better. I really like Herman Cain and his Chilean reference for social security was spot-on. Bachmann was...ummm...Bachmann. Newt throws down gauntlets like nobody else; he's fun to watch but not vote for. Huntsman is the Rodney King-sponsored candidate (can't we all just get along?) and a RINO on full display. Santorum needs to pack his bags and beg for a VP nomination. His time is up.
• believer

  

  BGFalcons82;887640 wrote:Observations from the debate:
  
  1. What the hell kind of format was that? Brian Williams and his sidekick looked like they were asking random questions to random candidates. They also basically ignored Cain and Santorum. They tried to ignore Ron Paul too, but he wouldn't let them by going after Perry. I think he figures the way to get in the limelight is to go after those already in it.
  
  2. What was the walking questioner all about? Why can't that guy sit down and ask questions like the other two? What makes him so special? By getting in the camera shot, he also made it appear the candidates were talking down to him. This is a visual ploy by NBC to make the Repubs appear "above the fray". See if they do that to Barry's gang.
  
  3. Romney looked strong. Perry looked like a rookie in his first debate...he'll get better. I really like Herman Cain and his Chilean reference for social security was spot-on. Bachmann was...ummm...Bachmann. Newt throws down gauntlets like nobody else; he's fun to watch but not vote for. Huntsman is the Rodney King-sponsored candidate (can't we all just get along?) and a RINO on full display. Santorum needs to pack his bags and beg for a VP nomination. His time is up.

  Good analysis. I laughed at the "visual ploy" comment because I was thinking the same thing. In the end it'll be Romney or Perry. I would be OK with a Santorum VP situation. Maybe a Perry (Texas) and Santorum (Pennsylvania) ticket at this point?