Republican candidates for 2012

• Tobias Fünke

  

  Ty Webb;856765 wrote:
  This is how I see the race shaking out with the remaining toss ups:
  
  President Obama wins:
  Colorado
  Iowa
  Michigan
  Minnesota
  New Hampshire
  Florida
  Wisconsin
  
  For a total of 281 EC votes
  
  I see the only real toss-ups on Election Day being PA, Virginia and Ohio
  
  Even if the President loses PA, Virginia and Ohio he still wins the Election by a margin of 281-254
  
  I think he ends up winning PA to win by a margin of 299-236

  
  You don't think Romney could win Massachusetts? I think it could get interesting.
  
  I also think he'd pull Michigan and Nevada from him just from name recognition and being a Mormon.
  
  I only think Obama wins Minnesota, Wisconsin, and probably Massachusetts and Colorado.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Romney won't win Mass, the sky will fall before MA votes GOP. I think he'd win Nevada and Colorado unless Denver turns out in droves again. Wisconsin will be interesting. Minnesota will go Obama.
• Bigdogg

  
• fish82

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;856777 wrote:Obama has as much chance of winning Virginia right now as I have a chance winning a Mr. Universe competition. He won in '08 due to record turnout in the urban areas, and that demographic has suffered as much in his term as anyone. They might not vote GOP, but they won't turn out and vote for him like they did previously.
  
  I also don't know how it is a given he wins Florida, the RE market there is beyond terrible.

  It's not a given at all. Gibby is banking on Bam taking Florida on the strength of the dislike for the governor...leaving out the fact that he's currently running 4 points behind Romney and dead even with Perry.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
  
  obama at record low approval; time to start packing.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;856915 wrote:"I based that assessment on the economic conditions he inherited,"
  
  Don't use the word inherit, that vexes me. Some things are inherited. I'm going to inherit my family's crappy farm in Appalachian Ohio, I inherit it because I'm their only kid that isn't in jail or otherwise worthless. It isn't a choice, I inherit it because of who I am.
  
  The office of POTUS isn't inherited, it is a choice and an election, and Obama asked for it. If he's not up for the game he can resign. I'm an American voter absolutely sick of the constant excuses from this sorry bunch.

  
  This. I get so tired of hearing about how bad the conditions were when he took office. I have a few buddies who were talking about how it wouldn't be fair to Obama's legacy if the conditions in our country weren't changed in his first 4 years because he needed more than 4 to turn it around. I'm a little young but wasn't the country in pretty bad shape when Reagan took over for Carter?
  
  Another thing that gives me the red ass is states like Pennsylvania who Obama basically called a bunch of gun toting religious nuts still mostly vote for him.
• gut

  42% approve? This country is truly filled with fucking stupid people.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  gut;857228 wrote:42% approve? This country is truly filled with fucking stupid people.

  
  I have it figured out. It's 20 percent who are truly liberal and 22 percent of people who have no real clue what is going on in Washington. I have many friends and family of that ilk. They just know he's a democrat and they do what is right for the country so they keep voting D. Truly scary stuff.
• gut

  bigdaddy2003;857237 wrote:I have it figured out. It's 20 percent who are truly liberal and 22 percent of people who have no real clue what is going on in Washington. I have many friends and family of that ilk. They just know he's a democrat and they do what is right for the country so they keep voting D. Truly scary stuff.

  
  Well, to be honest I don't see that as any worse than the bible thumpers who vote Repub time and again only because of gay marriage and abortion - but I guess God doesn't want us to be socialist, so take that Bill Maher!!!
• QuakerOats

  Manhattan Buckeye;856915 wrote: The office of POTUS isn't inherited, it is a choice and an election, and Obama asked for it. If he's not up for the game he can resign. I'm an American voter absolutely sick of the constant excuses from this sorry bunch.

  
  Exactly. Reagan 'assumed' enormous problems (massive unemployment, high inflation, sky-high interest rates), but he implemented pro-growth policies to fix them, and it worked. The only thing obama is capable of is spinning the Blame-o-matic wheel that is comprised of Bush, Tea Party, S&P, and ... Bush ..... @#$^ ing incredible.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  gut;857244 wrote:Well, to be honest I don't see that as any worse than the bible thumpers who vote Repub time and again only because of gay marriage and abortion - but I guess God doesn't want us to be socialist, so take that Bill Maher!!!

  
  Oh I know there are people on both sides that do it. I was just making the point about Democrats because I don't know anyone who solely votes Republican.
• Heretic

  

  gut;857244 wrote:Well, to be honest I don't see that as any worse than the bible thumpers who vote Repub time and again only because of gay marriage and abortion - but I guess God doesn't want us to be socialist, so take that Bill Maher!!!

  
  I see that a lot, living in a religious, rural area. It makes local elections very comedic. You have a lot of people yelling about voting in new commissioners and whatnot to get rid of the local "good ol' boy" system and then it ALWAYS ends up about 2-1 in favor of the "R" incumbent to the degree where it's obvious that a lot of people vote Repub on pure reflex.
• believer

  

  Heretic;857476 wrote:I see that a lot, living in a irreligious, urban areas. It makes local elections very comedic. You have a lot of people yelling about voting in new city council members and whatnot to get rid of the local "good ol' boy" system and then it ALWAYS ends up about 2-1 in favor of the "D" incumbent to the degree where it's obvious that a lot of people vote Dem on pure reflex.

  fixed
• Heretic

  

  believer;857488 wrote:fixed

  
  Well, I'm sure both are accurate. Depends on where you live.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Heretic;857493 wrote:Well, I'm sure both are accurate. Depends on where you live.

  
  Well it all depends because I live in a rural area and a great deal of people here are "religious" and vote Democrat.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "I see that a lot, living in a religious, rural area. It makes local elections very comedic.I see that a lot, living in a religious, rural area. It makes local elections very comedic."
  
  Comedy doesn't even begin to describe local elections, my mother had to work with the commission to flip a coin to decide a crappy mayoral race in a town of 1,100 people as that was how the town's bylaws decided an electoral tie, and of course the loser whined about it. Local politics = weirdness.
• believer

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;857516 wrote:Local politics = weirdness.

  "All politics is local." - Top O'Neill
• Belly35

  

  I orginally sent this into to be posted as a new Thread but that when nowhere.... so I will use here on this thread
  
  Democrat and NAACP ….. betrayal
  
  Why do Blacks continue to support the Democrat Party and the NAACP?
  
  Both organization Democrat Party and the NAACP have only hinder the “issue of racism” and taken advantage of the Black communities for profit and political gain.
  The 1964 Malcolm X speech to the NAACP is prefect for what was happening between the Democrat and NAACP then and it applies even more now. “You Chump”
  
  NAACP are infusing black Americans with racial hate via race-profiteering to sell their anti American socialistic agenda.
  
  http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/the_naacps_betrayal_of_blacks.html
  
  
  Professor David Neumark of the University of California at Irvine has found that for every 10% the minimum wage is raised, minority teen unemployment increases by 6.6%. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi raised the minimum wage by more than 40% in January 2007, and black teen unemployment skyrocketed from a still too high – 29.1% to 49% this past month.
  
  http://bigjournalism.com/ninnis/2010/10/20/naacps-attack-on-the-tea-party-movement-is-a-betrayal-of-its-mission-to-uplift-black-america/
  
  If you are black can you please enlighten the OC readership as to why the support for the Democrat Party and the NAACP?
• cruiser_96

  

  Concerning religious and "irreligious" people... I think often times, the people want the state to resemble the people. And in doing so, lose the role of the state. It is the people's job to forgive... it is the state's job to weild the sword. Just sayin'.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Ron Paul is smarter than any of them up there, but he isn't charismatic enough for the typical idiot American to vote for. Cain has handled himself well, and so has Newt. Paul has my vote though.
• gut

  Cleveland Buck;859393 wrote:Ron Paul is smarter than any of them up there

  
  I could never get past his embracing the Fair Tax movement in 2008.
• BGFalcons82

  

  This debate show is just like a AAA baseball game. It's entertaining, it has some nice hits to Barry's record, good pitching, and very good D, but no one is making a splash. No stars here, only VP candidates and future department secretaries.
  
  Rick Perry is getting in per Fox News. This will put an end to this AAA game.
  
  FWIW, I enjoy listening to Ron Paul speak. He has made dozens of valid points. However, he completely does not understand the turmoil, Israeli-hatred, and the real thread of Iranian nuclear capability. He poo-poos Achmedinejad's threats and he doesn't understand Israel's position. This is enough to wipe him off the list of serious Presidential candidates.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  gut;859507 wrote:I could never get past his embracing the Fair Tax movement in 2008.

  
  There is nothing wrong with supporting the Fair Tax. Hell, it might take something like that to get the economy growing again. If you don't think it is progressive enough instead of eliminating the IRS you can eliminate 90% of it and keep a 10 or 15% income tax on high earners.
  
  In our recent history, it takes dramatic changes to escape from these deep economic downturns. After Keynesian spending failed to grow the economy in the 30s the end of World War II brought us out of the Depression. After the 70s stagflation and misery index era, it took huge tax cuts and a tight money supply to recover. If this economy will ever recover, it will take something dramatic, and this looks like the best bet out there right now.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  BGFalcons82;859526 wrote:This debate show is just like a AAA baseball game. It's entertaining, it has some nice hits to Barry's record, good pitching, and very good D, but no one is making a splash. No stars here, only VP candidates and future department secretaries.
  
  Rick Perry is getting in per Fox News. This will put an end to this AAA game.
  
  FWIW, I enjoy listening to Ron Paul speak. He has made dozens of valid points. However, he completely does not understand the turmoil, Israeli-hatred, and the real thread of Iranian nuclear capability. He poo-poos Achmedinejad's threats and he doesn't understand Israel's position. This is enough to wipe him off the list of serious Presidential candidates.

  
  I thought Cain had the best answer to the Iran question. If we managed to strengthen our currency, reduce our foreign oil imports, and drive down the price of oil, Iran would be fucked economically. Their own people would fight the war so we wouldn't have to.
  
  Honestly, unless we are going to invade and occupy Iran, which should be out of the question, there is nothing we can do to stop them from developing a nuclear weapon.
• gut

  Cleveland Buck;859538 wrote:There is nothing wrong with supporting the Fair Tax. Hell, it might take something like that to get the economy growing again. If you don't think it is progressive enough instead of eliminating the IRS you can eliminate 90% of it and keep a 10 or 15% income tax on high earners.

  Fair Tax is a horrible execution of a good idea. I've said before we are going to need a VAT at some point, but Fair Tax is so wildly off the mark I couldn't touch anyone who would remotely associate with it. Simply put, the tax code is complicated because of the progressive and socialist nature, both for individuals and corporations/business sectors. There is 0 reason to believe Fair Tax would quickly be any different without sweeping change in the Washington approach to income redistribution.
  
  If you're suggesting he supports it on the principles of tax reduction and reform that's about as disingenous as politics can get. Fair Tax in practice would infuriate it's base because it is 110% DOA. It completely perverted pretty sound economic analysis from Kotlikoff, who supports a VAT mainly as a way of solving the SS/Medicare issue. Essentially the brain child of two hacks who apparently know next to nothing about economics. If you can find any comments at all from heavyweight economists, it's a non-starter completely dismissing that a 23% inclusive rate would be close to revenue neutral.