Republican candidates for 2012

• BoatShoes

  Ty Webb;852596 wrote:I heard a Republican say it best last night...
  
  If you don't trust the Republican candidat....you are more likely to vote for the devil you know as opposed to the devil you don't

  
  Dude, Obama is in deep shit just face it. If you thought the Jobs Report today was good you're suffering from diminished expectations. Even though he's following the Conservative playbook on the economy he's going to get blamed for it. We need a WWII style fiscal stimulus but that will not happen unless there are people to kill. At this point, I just hope that Romney wins and he's just pretending to be unreasonable to get enough Republicans to vote for him in the primary. Realistically Obama has governed as a moderate conservative anyway. If Romney is indeed only pretending to be an ideologue then at this point it's a wash. BHO, even if he got a supermajority again (which won't happen) is not "who liberals have been waiting for."
  
  And, the fact is when you have business people like Bernie Marcus, and Mr. Wynn complain about the Fear of Obama as this socialist demigod when all objective evaluation of his record as POTUS suggests otherwise, there might be something to having a President with an R next to their name because Perception is Reality....no matter how devoid of reality it is. And the reality is, the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society, medicare part D, occurred when Republicans had all of the power because Conservatives don't hold Republicans to the same standard they hold Democrats (I mean where was the massive widespread Constitutional Outrage to Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc?) so there might even be a better chance, if you're a progressive, if you've got a Republican President these days. I mean look how bad Conservatives lambasted their own national health plan from the 90's.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;852691 wrote: Realistically Obama has governed as a moderate conservative anyway.

  
  Please, please tell me you are smoking the wacky weed this afternoon.
• believer

  

  BoatShoes;852691 wrote:We need a WWII style fiscal stimulus but that will not happen unless there are people to kill.

  True. FDR's New Deal policies were as much a failure as BHO's porkulus spending. Maybe BHO can get the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor again.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  QuakerOats;852696 wrote:Please, please tell me you are smoking the wacky weed this afternoon.

  
  He's not. He's just delusional. Obama's policies (the ones being implemented by agencies like the EPA, etc.) are so far LEFT it's all but killing business initiative in this country. But nobody like Boat will discuss that stuff. It's not being voted on or signed during a ceremony -- even though it has much more effect on the day to day business decisions being made in this country.
  
  Suggesting Obama is anywhere near conservative, let alone moderate, is just lying. ObamaCare is coming and businesses are trying like crazy to get waivers. Why? Because if they don't, they know it's going to kill their bottom line and probably cost their employees their health insurance. There are sections of that law that are so far left and draconian that calling them anything close to moderate is laughable.
  
  There's a reason this administration is being called the most anti-business group in history, and you can be damn sure no conservative or moderate would come within a mile of many of the things that are being quietly implemented.
  
  Our only hope is that Obama gets defeated and whoever comes in completely dismantles all those agency changes, so the people who create jobs will stop feeling like there's a target on their backs and someone in the government has an AK 47 aimed in their direction.
• jhay78

  

  BoatShoes;852691 wrote:And, the fact is when you have business people like Bernie Marcus, and Mr. Wynn complain about the Fear of Obama as this socialist demigod when all objective evaluation of his record as POTUS suggests otherwise, there might be something to having a President with an R next to their name because Perception is Reality....no matter how devoid of reality it is. And the reality is, the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society, medicare part D, occurred when Republicans had all of the power because Conservatives don't hold Republicans to the same standard they hold Democrats (I mean where was the massive widespread Constitutional Outrage to Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc?) so there might even be a better chance, if you're a progressive, if you've got a Republican President these days. I mean look how bad Conservatives lambasted their own national health plan from the 90's.

  
  To be fair, I remember several talk radio types complaining about Medicare Part D when it passed, even though now it comes in consistently under budget because it is partly privatized and takes advantage of competitive market forces, something liberals howl about when that subject is brought up with regards to SS and Medicare (see video of Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff).
  
  GW Bush got plenty of flak from conservatives for a multitude of his policies: Medicare Part D, not vetoing McCain-Feingold (even though he said there were constitutional issues with it), nominating Harriet Miers, pushing amnesty for illegals, bailing out GM, etc, etc. I think there were many who got complacent and settled for less than ideal constitutional governance from the White House.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I remember a number of conservatives complaining about expanding Medicare, also.
  
  As for No Child Left Behind...I never wanted that piece of expensive garbage enacted. The federal government should have no role in education. None. That is a state and local issue and should always be a state and local issue.
• believer

  

  Writerbuckeye;853248 wrote:I remember a number of conservatives complaining about expanding Medicare, also.
  
  As for No Child Left Behind...I never wanted that piece of expensive garbage enacted. The federal government should have no role in education. None. That is a state and local issue and should always be a state and local issue.

  That was my stance at the time as well. Now teachers spend more time coaching kids how to pass proficiency tests than actually teaching the kids the skills they'll need to be effective in society. It's just plain stupid.
• Footwedge

  jhay78;853011 wrote:To be fair, I remember several talk radio types complaining about Medicare Part D when it passed, even though now it comes in consistently under budget because it is partly privatized and takes advantage of competitive market forces, something liberals howl about when that subject is brought up with regards to SS and Medicare (see video of Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff).
  
  GW Bush got plenty of flak from conservatives for a multitude of his policies: Medicare Part D, not vetoing McCain-Feingold (even though he said there were constitutional issues with it), nominating Harriet Miers, pushing amnesty for illegals, bailing out GM, etc, etc. I think there were many who got complacent and settled for less than ideal constitutional governance from the White House.

  I hardly think that Medicare Part d is run by market forces. I was in the pharma industry at that time....it was 800 million in pharma lobby money that gor that piece of crap passed. a huuuuuge windfall for the pharma industry....all based on fixed pricing way above market forces...with the tab just added onto the national debt.
  
  I will give you this much though. Rushbo did come out and denounce this putrid legislation. Blind squirrel episode is the way I see it.
• gut

  believer;853627 wrote:That was my stance at the time as well. Now teachers spend more time coaching kids how to pass proficiency tests than actually teaching the kids the skills they'll need to be effective in society. It's just plain stupid.

  
  Yeah, well, look at the college system teaching kids about liberal arts and the geology of rocks instead of practical things like contracts, investing and taxes. And really those should be capstone high school courses. The percentage of 20-somethings who don't even contribute enough to a 401k to get their full employer match (and it's almost independent of income level, too) is mind-boggling.
• BoatShoes

  Writerbuckeye;852845 wrote:He's not. He's just delusional. Obama's policies (the ones being implemented by agencies like the EPA, etc.) are so far LEFT it's all but killing business initiative in this country. But nobody like Boat will discuss that stuff. It's not being voted on or signed during a ceremony -- even though it has much more effect on the day to day business decisions being made in this country.
  
  Suggesting Obama is anywhere near conservative, let alone moderate, is just lying. ObamaCare is coming and businesses are trying like crazy to get waivers. Why? Because if they don't, they know it's going to kill their bottom line and probably cost their employees their health insurance. There are sections of that law that are so far left and draconian that calling them anything close to moderate is laughable.
  
  There's a reason this administration is being called the most anti-business group in history, and you can be damn sure no conservative or moderate would come within a mile of many of the things that are being quietly implemented.
  
  Our only hope is that Obama gets defeated and whoever comes in completely dismantles all those agency changes, so the people who create jobs will stop feeling like there's a target on their backs and someone in the government has an AK 47 aimed in their direction.

  This post is exasperating. I don't even know where to begin and it certainly is not worth the effort. Why are so many liberals disappointed in President Obama and why are a number of conservatives from the by-gone age of reasonable republicans suggesting that President Obama is, at the very least, not a socialist/marxist, and moderately liberal at best? Here is the bottom line; even if we suppose you're right that he has all of this twisted liberal beliefs in his mind and in his heart...he has governed way more moderately than you suggest he would...
  
  You have accepted in your mind since this man came onto the scene that he is the antithesis to all things good and conservative and nothing will stop you from believing otherwise and you will wiggle your beliefs anyway you can to retain that belief in your mind.
• BoatShoes

  jhay78;853011 wrote:To be fair, I remember several talk radio types complaining about Medicare Part D when it passed, even though now it comes in consistently under budget because it is partly privatized and takes advantage of competitive market forces, something liberals howl about when that subject is brought up with regards to SS and Medicare (see video of Paul Ryan pushing granny off the cliff).
  
  GW Bush got plenty of flak from conservatives for a multitude of his policies: Medicare Part D, not vetoing McCain-Feingold (even though he said there were constitutional issues with it), nominating Harriet Miers, pushing amnesty for illegals, bailing out GM, etc, etc. I think there were many who got complacent and settled for less than ideal constitutional governance from the White House.

  That's fine but that's a lot different than storming town halls screaming to take your country back from the evil socialist/marxists.
• gut

  BoatShoes;854822 wrote:This post is exasperating. I don't even know where to begin and it certainly is not worth the effort. Why are so many liberals disappointed in President Obama and why are a number of conservatives from the by-gone age of reasonable republicans suggesting that President Obama is, at the very least, not a socialist/marxist, and moderately liberal at best? Here is the bottom line; even if we suppose you're right that he has all of this twisted liberal beliefs in his mind and in his heart...he has governed way more moderately than you suggest he would...

  
  A federal infrastructure bank....Nothing socialist about that in the least. Nope. But, hey, why not? It worked so well with FNMA and FMAC.
• fish82

  

  BoatShoes;854824 wrote:That's fine but that's a lot different than storming town halls screaming to take your country back from the evil socialist/marxists.

  
  No worries...you people handled that situation perfectly by just beating the shit out of them.
• coyotes22

  

  PERRY!! PERRY!! PERRY!! PERRY!!
  
  Where is Ty with todays poll numbers?
• Ty Webb

  

  What in the hell are you talking about?
• coyotes22

  

  Ty Webb;854956 wrote:What in the hell are you talking about?

  
  Was just wondering what today's poll numbers look like.
  
  
• gut

  coyotes22;854958 wrote:Was just wondering what today's poll numbers look like.
  
  

  After Perry's Christ-a-polooza I think many moderates probably ran for the hills.
• Ty Webb

  

  Exactly gut
• gut

  Perry can campaign as a modern-day Jesus and throw the money printers out of Washington!
• Ty Webb

  

  He is pissing off alot of moderates and independents
• coyotes22

  

  Ty Webb;854970 wrote:He is pissing off alot of moderates and independents

  
  And Obama has been pissing ON the entire nation.
  
  Better to be pissed off than pissed on.
• gut

  coyotes22;854981 wrote:And Obama has been pissing ON the entire nation.
  
  Better to be pissed off than pissed on.

  
  True, but this was a pretty dumb move by Perry. He clearly is doing this to appeal to the far right to help get the nomination, but the MSM will eat him alive over this in a Presidential campaign. Then again, maybe mobilizing the conservative and bible-belt base is the key on the margin as disgruntled moderates/independents will simply be voting for anyone not named Obama (or not vote at all, like probably more than a few disillusioned liberals)
• coyotes22

  

  I dont see what the big deal is/was with the event. So he held a prayer meeting. Can you explain how and why it was such a dumb move?
• gut

  coyotes22;855025 wrote:Can you explain how and why it was such a dumb move?

  
  Because he's a politician, not a preacher, and most people don't want to mix the two. MSM will have a field day spinning him as some radical religious nut.
  
  I'm also a bit offended he pulled this stunt clearly for political gain.
• QuakerOats

  coyotes22;855025 wrote:I dont see what the big deal is/was with the event. So he held a prayer meeting. Can you explain how and why it was such a dumb move?

  
  
  Because the solution to all our problems is more government, not prayer.