No More Victims

• Footwedge

  http://www.nomorevictims.org/
  
  Anyone care to donate? Or would that be emboldening the enemy? Just a little more "food for thought"..... whenever we decide to intervene in countries that pose no threat to our mainland.
• LJ

  

  care to elaborate more as to what this is?
• Belly35

  

  This is just like Vietnam fined the collateral damage and blaming the American soldiers and the American Military. When terrorist hide in communities, schools and markets under the protection control of fear and death they have harbored in the people of the area. No mention of the terrorist bombing of wedding, schools and market that kill thousand and injured of Iraqi citizens and children only the hate for America. Where is the documentary of the rape and mutilation of women and children under Shari law? Let’s not forget the children wrapped in bombs heading to heavy occupied areas to be blown to bite ..What that does count. What about the 3000 innocent American that died on 9/11 and on the planes heading for Disneyland and schools on our main land… … no mention of that cowardly act and the dead children.
  
  There is no pretty side to combat and those who keep hiding and supporting those that act out terrorist act will only create additional collateral damage… so don’t blame those that lend the ear and are there to help, blame those that don’t care.
  
  What to give ... Give to those that have fought for those children and the families that have losed a love one in the fight to protect this country from terroist. Give to the fight against Shari Law in this country and around the world...
  
  300 Children killed and wounded by terrorist..
  
  http://www.al-shorfa.com/cocoon/meii/xhtml/en_GB/features/meii/features/main/2011/01/21/feature-01
  
  
  
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2668957/posts
  
  
  http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/08/afghan-children-raped-with-impunity-sharia-law-prevents-accusers-from-coming-forward.html
  
  http://www.aina.org/news/20081117111817.htm
• CenterBHSFan

  

  
  We believe one of the most effective means of combating militarism is to focus on direct relief to its victims.

  
  No thanks. I donate to tri-county women's shelter, St. Jude, my local S.A. and the animal shelter on a constant basis. I'd much rather worry about kids, families and other things that are in my own back yard. I try to staunch the blood from flowing too freely from my heart.
  
  I don't mind if others need a cause like that, however. To each his/her own.
• believer

  

  Eh...same shit different war. Insensitive? Perhaps but this is nothing new.
  
  Unfortunately war is an ugly, dirty, and imprecise business. It's sad but as long as evil roams the earth, innocents will get hurt.
  
  Seems that plenty is already being done and my tax dollars are helping. Good enough for me.
• Footwedge

  LJ;695828 wrote:care to elaborate more as to what this is?

  Sure. It is an organization run and operated to help Iraqi kids who have had their arms and legs blown off as direct result from our military operation in that country. The kids are receiving pro bono medical care in getting new, prosthetic replacements.
  
  To Belly....Sorry...your links have nothing to do with with this thread. Terrorism as we define it.....is mutually exclusive from our dealings with Iraq. After 9 years, you should know and understand this.
  
  To CBS...nice of you to donate to your local causes. It is appreciated.
  
  To believer.....yeah I agree....war is ugly and horrible and all. Maybe our foreign policy should be a little more careful before we entangle ourselves in operations that are not necessary.
• september63

  

  Charitable donations are all good. Ill also stick with donating to local or US based groups.
• believer

  

  Footwedge;696250 wrote:Sure. It is an organization run and operated to help Iraqi kids who have had their arms and legs blown off as direct result from our military operation in that country. The kids are receiving pro bono medical care in getting new, prosthetic replacements.

  Iraq was a veritable paradise created by the benevolent Saddam Hussein before those eeeeevil Americans entered the country and started blowing off arms and legs of little children.
• bases_loaded

  

  I'll send this charity money as soon as the countries that support and harbor Al Quida start charities for the victims of 9/11, the London Bombings..etc.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  believer;696930 wrote:Iraq was a veritable paradise created by the benevolent Saddam Hussein before those eeeeevil Americans entered the country and started blowing off arms and legs of little children.

  
  I was thinking the same thing. We destroyed such a wonderful Utopian society.
  

  living a wondrous life under the benevolent Mr Hussein wrote:- On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.
  
  - Hussein had some 8,000 members of Barzani's clan, including hundreds of women and children, abducted. It is assumed that most were slaughtered; thousands have been discovered in mass graves in southern Iraq.
  
  - The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons.
  
  - The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 killed over 5,000 people. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.
  
  - Hussein did not limit his genocide to identifiably Kurdish groups; he also targeted the predominantly Shiite Marsh Arabs of southeastern Iraq, the direct descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians. By destroying more than 95% of the region's marshes, he effectively depleted its food supply and destroyed the entire millennia-old culture, reducing the number of Marsh Arabs from 250,000 to approximately 30,000.
  
  - At one point, Hussein's regime killed as many as 2,000 suspected Kurdish rebels every day. Some two million Kurds hazarded the dangerous trek through the mountains to Iran and Turkey, hundreds of thousands dying in the process.
  
  - Hussein's large-scale atrocities took place during the 1980s and early 1990s, his tenure was also characterized by day-to-day atrocities that attracted less notice. Hussein's "rape rooms," death by torture, decisions to slaughter the children of political enemies, and the casual machine-gunning of peaceful protesters accurately reflected the day-to-day policies of Saddam Hussein's regime.

• I Wear Pants

  No one said it was a utopia or anything. It's just that we've blown the hell out of a lot of innocent Iraqis for no good reason.
• bases_loaded

  

  I Wear Pants;697607 wrote:No one said it was a utopia or anything. It's just that we've blown the hell out of a lot of innocent Iraqis for no good reason.

  
  When does an innocent civilian become and insurgent? I don't think the US is going around bombing Iraqi villages on a whim. The ROE have our troops handcuffed and cost us more lives than should be imagined.
• I Wear Pants

  Cluster bombs dude.
• believer

  

  ^^^riiiiiiiiiiight
• CenterBHSFan

  

  
  We believe one of the most effective means of combating militarism is to focus on direct relief to its victims.

  
  I quoted this in my earlier post, that is from the site that Footie posted. The more I think about it, the more offensive it becomes. To me, that's reading as a spit in the eye of our military/country.
  
  If I'm being oversensitive and over-reading it, somebody just tell me... I can handle it.
• I Wear Pants

  believer;697816 wrote:^^^riiiiiiiiiiight

  So you think cluster bombs are perfectly accurate things that don't frequently blow the hell out of people who have no business being bombed?
  
  These countries have banned the use of cluster bombs:
  # Albania
  # Antigua & Barbuda
  # Austria
  # Belgium
  # Bosnia and Herzegovina
  # Burkina Faso
  # Burundi
  # Cape Verde
  # Comoros
  # Croatia
  # Denmark
  # Ecuador
  # Fiji
  # France
  # Germany
  # Guatemala
  # Holy See
  # Ireland
  # Japan
  # Laos
  # Lebanon
  # Lesotho
  # Luxembourg
  # Macedonia
  * Malawi
  * Mali
  * Malta
  * Mexico
  * Moldova
  * Montenegro
  * New Zealand
  * Nicaragua
  * Niger
  * Norway
  * Panama
  * San Marino
  * Samoa
  * St. Vincent and the Grenadines
  * Seychelles
  * Sierra Leone
  * Slovenia
  * Spain
  * United Kingdom
  * Tunisia
  * Uruguay
  * Zambia
  
  Why haven't we?
• bases_loaded

  

  Who do those countries call when shit hits the fan?
• I Wear Pants

  I am not okay with us being the "enforcer" so to speak of the world. I don't think anyone else should be either.
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants;697904 wrote:I am not okay with us being the "enforcer" so to speak of the world. I don't think anyone else should be either.

  
  I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the world is governed by the aggressive us of force.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  believer;697816 wrote:^^^riiiiiiiiiiight

  Sadly, we did use cluster weapons in Afg and Iraq during the early years. Then, we got smart and shifted to more direct and targeted smart weapons as well as COIN.
  
  

  majorspark;698030 wrote:I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the world is governed by the aggressive us of force.

  Realism and balance of power theory still dominates the international system.
  
  
  This is a nice organization with I'm sure a great cause and some legitimacy. But, this is not something I'd donate too, and this is more a UN mission than anything.
• I Wear Pants

  majorspark;698030 wrote:I wish that were the case. Unfortunately the world is governed by the aggressive us of force.

  I mean I don't think we should be okay with being the people that get called to do dirty work.
  
  Leave that job to the French Foreign Legion or something.
• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1;698044 wrote:...this is more a UN mission than anything.

  If the UN has a "legit" mission in anything, I'd agree this may be it.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  CenterBHSFan;697818 wrote:I quoted this in my earlier post, that is from the site that Footie posted. The more I think about it, the more offensive it becomes. To me, that's reading as a spit in the eye of our military/country.
  
  If I'm being oversensitive and over-reading it, somebody just tell me... I can handle it.

  I read it the same way. That particular wording leaves little doubt that it was intended any other way.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  I Wear Pants;698057 wrote:I mean I don't think we should be okay with being the people that get called to do dirty work.
  
  Leave that job to the French Foreign Legion or something.

  I agree unfortunately we are one of a few that are capable. The French couldn't even defend their own country if they were not allied with the US and UK.
• I Wear Pants

  France has one of the best militaries in the world.
  
  I said the French Foreign Legion because they're who you call when you need something absolutely abhorrent done.