Governor Kasich

• 2quik4u

  

  so instead of getting to kids to become educated we should just train them to do a job and thats it?
• Thread Bomber

  

  No, they need educated. But they probably do no need 4 years of English, 2 years of Foreign language, 4 Years of math, Art,Music, or other bullshit electives.
  
  While these courses are fine for a Liberal Arts major in college, at some point they will need real life experience. Why give them college prep courses if they will never go to college. You give them the opportunity to pursue this,(if they desire) or train them for a job and give them skills that they can use for the rest of their life ( save the bleeding higher education post for someone that give a fuck ) I don't care if it's driving a truck, or auto body repair, we need to send these kids into life with more than a knife for a gunfight.
• derek bomar

  

  2quik4u;720796 wrote:so instead of getting to kids to become educated we should just train them to do a job and thats it?

  
  why not do both?
• LJ

  

  Gblock;719862 wrote:yes i send some of our very troubled students there to schools like life skills and ecott...when they come back to visit me i ask them what its like and i have not had one student tell me they got less than a B. They also say they dont do much of anything. less than 1.5 hours a day of school. watch a few videos followed by a multiple choice test or something similar to that. they basically laugh and say what a joke it is.

  
  A really good friend of mine teaches at one of these schools and I couldn't tell you how wrong you are. Just because a kid says that doesn't mean it is reality
• Bigdogg

  Here is how Kasich wants to save money by privatizing public schools with Teach for Americia. Step 1. Make it easy for almost anyone to be able to teach. 2. Pay these teachers a hell of a lot less for less qualifications. Take a look at HB21. teacher in Ohio
  

  A COMPARISON OF THE TFA PROGRAM VS> OHIO’S HIGHER STANDARDS
  
  Field Experience
  
  Teach for America:
  Corps members teach summer school students for approximately two hours each day [five weeks long], under the supervision of experienced teachers. For the first hour, most corps members work directly with four to five students to build skills in math and literacy, to gain experience in facilitating group work. For the second hour, corps members lead a full class lesson, which builds skills in delivering lessons and managing a classroom.
  
  Current Ohio Law:
  A minimum of twelve weeks of full-time student teaching [7.5-hour days] and a minimum of one-hundred clock hours of field experiences prior to student teaching.
  
  Ohio State University Secondary Math, Science Technology program:
  M.Ed. students are placed for field experiences (observation, participation, internship) in schools in fall, winter, and spring quarters for increasingly richer experiences. These placements collectively provide 700 clock hours in the schools spread over 150 days (of the typical 180-day school calendar). The placements are in public middle and high schools in Franklin County with each student experiencing urban and suburban and middle and high school classrooms. STEM M.Ed. students have program classes in fall and winter quarter in the late-afternoon and early evening in addition to being in their schools each morning. Spring quarter is a twelve-week student teaching experience with students in the schools all-day every day. During that spring students complete the action research for their Capstone Project which is then completed that second summer.
  
  Admission
  
  Teach for America:
  
  * Bachelor’s Degree
  * 2.50 Minimum Cumulative GPA
  * US Citizenship or National/Permanent Resident Status
  * The online application consists of: Personal, academic, and/or professional information, Resume, Letter of intent
  
  Ohio State University Secondary Math, Science Technology program:
  
  * Baccalaureate degree from an accredited institution
  * Minimum 3.0 overall GPA (on a 4.0 scale) in all previous undergraduate course work and a minimum 3.0 overall GPA in all previous graduate course work (may not be combined)
  * Minimum 2.7 GPA in mathematics, science, or technology content courses. 80% of the content should be completed prior to admission. (Include a plan for completing content courses, that are not completed by the application deadline) A plan document is located online at http://ehe.osu.edu/edtl/
  * Experiences working with adolescents in a learning situation
  * Official scores from the General Test of the Graduate Record Exam (GRE) taken within five years of application
  * TOEFL score for international students, if required (minimum score 550 paper-based, 213 computer-based, or 79 iBT)
  * Statement of Intent: See “Application Checklist” for format and instructions, located online.
  * Three letters of recommendation (four preferred), from persons acquainted with your academic performance, your experiences with adolescents, and your potential as a teacher. Include at least two letters from professors or instructors who have had you in class. Recommendations written on letterhead stationery should be attached to the Graduate School Reference Form.
  * Resume listing academic accomplishments, paid or volunteer experiences working with adolescents, related extracurricular experiences, and honors or awards (limit two pages for fellowship)
  * The M.Ed. is a competitive program. Meeting the minimum standards does not guarantee admission. Applicants who have completed most or all of the content courses will be given preference for admission. The admissions committee also considers diversity in the range of students related to gender, race/ethnicity, and life experience.

  
  http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/03/21/how-hb21-lowers-the-standards-for-becoming-a-teacher-in-ohio/
• Gblock

  Thread Bomber;720832 wrote:No, they need educated. But they probably do no need 4 years of English, 2 years of Foreign language, 4 Years of math, Art,Music, or other bullshit electives.
  
  While these courses are fine for a Liberal Arts major in college, at some point they will need real life experience. Why give them college prep courses if they will never go to college. You give them the opportunity to pursue this,(if they desire) or train them for a job and give them skills that they can use for the rest of their life ( save the bleeding higher education post for someone that give a fuck ) I don't care if it's driving a truck, or auto body repair, we need to send these kids into life with more than a knife for a gunfight.

  i agree....how many times do we really need 90% of what we learned in high school? i mean in my everday life outside of teaching i might have used the skills of averaging a checkbook, finding the area of a room or a yard etc...but ive never had to balance a chemical equation or solve a polynomial or those types of things. even in college most of it is memorized for the test and then flushed. but i do take my car to a mechanic and pay him a pretty penny...when i was in high school our district had its own mechanic and body shop ran by students....they would fix your car for approximately half of what it would cost you in the private sector. obviously you are getting what you pay for in that situation but i think most customers left happy.
• Gblock

  LJ;720834 wrote:A really good friend of mine teaches at one of these schools and I couldn't tell you how wrong you are. Just because a kid says that doesn't mean it is reality

  im not wrong...where does your friend teach?
• LJ

  

  Gblock;720838 wrote:im not wrong...where does your friend teach?

  
  Can't remember the name of it (never really paid attention to that) it's a charter high school in North Columbus. Including class time and outside of class time he works over 70 hours per week for these kids.
• Gblock

  LJ;720842 wrote:Can't remember the name of it (never really paid attention to that) it's a charter high school in North Columbus. Including class time and outside of class time he works over 70 hours per week for these kids.

  
  well i was talking about ecot and life skills...in my posts i said im in support of some charter schools...there are some outstanding ones. there are also some very deplorable ones that i cant beleive stay in business. like the one i cant remember the name that was in the sun tv warehouse several years ago off of east main. it was supposed to be some type of military/physical ed type of program...all they did was pushups and situps each day and didnt even have books. by they time they were shut down there were millions of dollars unaccounted for. some of these other for profit schools also dont want to lose any students so no matter what everyone passes.
• LJ

  

  Gblock;720846 wrote:well i was talking about ecot and life skills...in my posts i said im in support of some charter schools...there are some outstanding ones. there are also some very deplorable ones that i cant beleive stay in business. like the one i cant remember the name that was in the sun tv warehouse several years ago off of east main. it was supposed to be some type of military/physical ed type of program...all they did was pushups and situps each day and didnt even have books. by they time they were shut down there were millions of dollars unaccounted for. some of these other for profit schools also dont want to lose any students so no matter what everyone passes.

  
  His is like those. It's for troubled students. Every single one of them has been kicked out of their high school.
• Bigdogg

  Guess what King Kaicsh and his house of clowns are defending today. According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, huge Medicaid cuts for Cincinnati Children’s Hospital was an “unintended consequence;” but according to their own "Jobs Blue Book" he is lying through his teeth.
  

  "We didn’t really see that coming," [Kasich’s Director of Health Transformation Greg] Moody said. "It’s an unintended consequence. It’s not an outcome we want."

  But here it is right here in the his budget:
  
  
  
  Kasich’s budget cuts specifically, and intentionally, zeros out funding for Children’s Hospitals. Nothing like getting caught in a bold face lie. You all have been fooled by this idiot.
  
  http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110322/NEWS01/103230322/Children-s-Hospital-faces-huge-Medicaid-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
• CenterBHSFan

  

  It's been a long day, so I may be blindly reading that wrong and please correct me if I am.
  
  The chart says that the cuts will save $12,00 over two years/$6,000 per year?
  
  If so, that's not really all that "huge". That is perhaps the cost of one day/night stay which can be saved by spreading the deficit of expenses around to something else. Something like buying a different brand of cheaper alcohol swab pad.
  
  Maybe tomorrow I'll read it differently, I'm tired as hell right now though lol
• majorspark

  

  Bigdogg;719133 wrote:Meet Kasich the candidate vs Kasich the Dictator Governor.

  Do you seriously believe that Kasich is a dictator? If so can you provide evidence supporting your claim?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Of course he can't. Lefties are all about using slurs as a way of demeaning their opponents publicly.
  
  It's in the handbook.
• LJ

  

  CenterBHSFan;721341 wrote:It's been a long day, so I may be blindly reading that wrong and please correct me if I am.
  
  The chart says that the cuts will save $12,00 over two years/$6,000 per year?
  
  If so, that's not really all that "huge". That is perhaps the cost of one day/night stay which can be saved by spreading the deficit of expenses around to something else. Something like buying a different brand of cheaper alcohol swab pad.
  
  Maybe tomorrow I'll read it differently, I'm tired as hell right now though lol

  
  In thousands
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Oooops a typo, that $12,00 was supposed to be a 12,000.
• LJ

  

  CenterBHSFan;721521 wrote:Oooops a typo, that $12,00 was supposed to be a 12,000.

  
  lol, no, in thousands means it is 12,000 thousand
  
  or $12,000,000
• fish82

  

  Bigdogg;721212 wrote:Guess what King Kaicsh and his house of clowns are defending today. According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, huge Medicaid cuts for Cincinnati Children’s Hospital was an “unintended consequence;” but according to their own "Jobs Blue Book" he is lying through his teeth.
  
  
  
  But here it is right here in the his budget:
  
  
  
  Kasich’s budget cuts specifically, and intentionally, zeros out funding for Children’s Hospitals. Nothing like getting caught in a bold face lie. You all have been fooled by this idiot.
  
  http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110322/NEWS01/103230322/Children-s-Hospital-faces-huge-Medicaid-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

  
  
  OMFG.....That heartless bastard is KILLING CHILDREN.....ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
  You people. :rolleyes:
• LJ

  

  fish82;721558 wrote:OMFG.....That heartless bastard is KILLING CHILDREN.....ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
  You people. :rolleyes:

  
  Whaddya mean "you people"
  
  
• fish82

  

  Wadda you mean, "you people?"
  
  [video=youtube;tAlVKgl_zCQ][/video]
• CenterBHSFan

  

  LJ;721532 wrote:lol, no, in thousands means it is 12,000 thousand
  
  or $12,000,000

  Ooook, I see. Yeah, I derped!
• stlouiedipalma

  Fish wins the award for post of the day!
• Bigdogg

  LJ;721532 wrote:lol, no, in thousands means it is 12,000 thousand
  
  or $12,000,000

  
  Remember that Medicaid is a Federal/State program. The state provides about 40 cents on every dollar, the Feds 60 cents. The point is Kasich knows dam well what's in the budget and got caught in a lie. If this then what else? He has no creditability. You people need to come out of your rabbit hole and question whats happening around you instead of taking stupid shots at people who are actually concerned.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Oh please, get off your high horse.
  
  As complicated as Medicaid budgets are, I'm surprised there aren't more mistakes made when putting them together.
  
  Fact is, Medicaid is the single item that is causing the entire budget to increase over the next two years, and Kasich is trying to cobble together something that is do-able but doesn't create too many problems.
  
  You want to say he lied about this? Have at it. I don't get too excited about any of the stuff until I see the FINAL budget that's been put together and presented to the governor for his signature.
  
  One thing we do know: Kasich isn't taking the easy way out and simply looking to raise taxes or try to get more federal dollars to patch holes like his pussy predecessor did. By almost all accounts, he is putting together a very reasonable budget during one of the most difficult economic times in our state's history.
• BoatShoes

  Writerbuckeye;721433 wrote:Of course he can't. Lefties are all about using slurs as a way of demeaning their opponents publicly.
  
  It's in the handbook.

  
  Even if this were true. Cannot you not see that Bigdogg's posts with regard to Gov. Kasich read exactly like yours with regard to President Obama? In your next post you refer to Gov. Strickland as a pussy. How is that different? You act like you're above slurs when it seems to be your expertise.