All In The Name of Security?

• CenterBHSFan

  

  I agree that if we've got to put up with the new scanning and 2nd/3rd base feelups, that it should be done upon entrance to the airport, not at the terminals.
  That's where the potential danger lies, IMO.
  
  It's highly unlikely that any terrorist(s) will manage to take over a plane anymore because of the newer safety measures on the plane itself, including ramped up attendances of marshalls.
  
  I do think that there should be SOME level of profiling, and I'm sure that there is even though it might be stated or admitted to. I'm sure most of us would rather be personally or empathetically offended than dead.
• I Wear Pants

  
  "Mr. Loughner was a scrawny, average teenager with a mop of curly hair. He played saxophone at football games and jammed with a friend's garage band. "
  
  Profile that.
  
  From: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I Wear Pants;631607 wrote:"Mr. Loughner was a scrawny, average teenager with a mop of curly hair. He played saxophone at football games and jammed with a friend's garage band. "
  
  Profile that.
  
  From: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  Well, according to what he's publicly posted online, I think it's pretty easy to profile that he "ain't right".
  And, seeing as how he wasn't allowed to join the service, that should be a good indicator, also.
  
  Was his rampage done at an airport?
• I Wear Pants

  I thought it was a supermarket.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I Wear Pants;631681 wrote:I thought it was a supermarket.

  It was. I was thinking your quote (#27) was in response to the posts about profiling and getting felt up in airports? Was I misreading?
  
  My question if this happened at an airport was snarky, smarmy, and downright obnoxious! lol
• I Wear Pants

  I was just replying about profiling people for terrorist acts/violent crimes on numbers of people.
  
  I was completely ignoring the airport part of the discussion. Conveniently.
• tk421

  

  For those of you who are willing to put up with the new scanners and the gropes, read this article. Plain and simple, the scanners don't work. Period. They are useless. Also, I'm glad to see a former Presidential candidate come out against the use of scanners.
  
  http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPQsHMaI7YzcIjojvZ9yhH22OIPg?docId=CNG.e83fdace708a2d6c4a7b95b21e5ed3a6.411
  

  But amid the voices saying that the new security measures were violating Americans' constitutional right to privacy and calling for the TSA's heads, a lone voice came out with a different reason for why the agency should change the way it screens travelers.
  
  
  Simply put, scanners don't work, said international security expert Edward Luttwak.
  
  
  In a test conducted in Europe, German prison guards were instructed to sneak explosives past three different scanners, including the full-body X-ray machine currently causing such a furor in the United States, Luttwak, a senior associate at the Center for International and Strategic Studies, said.
  
  
  "They did it with such ease that the Air Travel Association, IATA, said there is no case for scanners," said Luttwak.

  Anyone who thinks these scanners are anything but a power and money grab by the people holding stock in these companies are fools.
• tk421

  

  No one is willing to comment on the fact that these scanners are worthless? We are wasting millions of dollars just so high ranking officials who have ties to these manufacturers can make money. Those who feel safer going through a scanner at an airport are living in fantasy land. Another report, detailing the failings of these devices which the government and TSA shout from the rooftops keep us safe. Yeah, right.
  
  http://www.hindustantimes.com/Scanners-at-Delhi-airport-fail-to-detect-explosives-guns/Article1-650061.aspx
  
  
  
  Do we still feel safer knowing that a TSA agent hired from a pizza box ad is manning one of these supposed life saving instruments? :rolleyes: Anyone want to bet if this gets mentioned in the U.S. media?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I'll try and answer.
  
  It is some shady deals on the surface, but we do not have access to the contract or how the deal was done. It probably was shady though.
  
  There has also been some of our scientists at our national labs who have said it is possible to make the scanners better, just that it is not getting the right attention and or funding.
  Definitely needs to change and make them better.
• I Wear Pants

  Or we could, you know, not use them?
• tk421

  

  I Wear Pants;638818 wrote:Or we could, you know, not use them?

  
  Nah, do you want another 9/11? This will be the rallying cry for countless years to come to justify more and more government intrusion into our lives. Anything for safety.
• majorspark

  

  tk421;628421 wrote:No security to enter an airport. You literally are funneled into a narrow, crowded (sometimes with thousands of people on a holiday) spot to pass through security into their "sterile" area. You don't think that if a terrorist wanted to attack an airplane again, he couldn't just walk into an airport carrying a bomb and blow everyone at the security line up? Still feel safe?

  
  This just happened in Russia today. Looks like terroists are making tactical adjustments. Expect more security checks and delays at home. Homeland security will be reacting to this latest attack.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70N2TQ20110124
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  majorspark;650403 wrote:This just happened in Russia today. Looks like terroists are making tactical adjustments. Expect more security checks and delays at home. Homeland security will be reacting to this latest attack.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70N2TQ20110124

  
  Unknown.
  I would caution you against using the term "terrorists" as it implies just one group. The more I read this it is a Chechen terrorist attack, which have a brutal history of attacks recently the Moscow subway bombing. No other group has copied that technique since or have cities dramatically beefed up security.
  
  DHS will review air port security, but I doubt things will change anytime soon.
  
  Now, if other groups start to copy this tactic, then yes, DHS will move to respond. But, since it is Chechen, which have a mixed history of their tactics being picked up by other jihadi groups, let's not jump to conclusions here.
• tk421

  

  ptown_trojans_1;650446 wrote:Unknown.
  I would caution you against using the term "terrorists" as it implies just one group. The more I read this it is a Chechen terrorist attack, which have a brutal history of attacks recently the Moscow subway bombing. No other group has copied that technique since or have cities dramatically beefed up security.
  
  DHS will review air port security, but I doubt things will change anytime soon.
  
  Now, if other groups start to copy this tactic, then yes, DHS will move to respond. But, since it is Chechen, which have a mixed history of their tactics being picked up by other jihadi groups, let's not jump to conclusions here.

  I expect the TSA will panic and implement some other useless security procedure. The problem is you can't stop these kinds of attacks. As I've said before, if they make it to the airport, no matter how far outside you push the security line, you are screwed. Intelligence is the only thing that can stop these attacks from occurring in the U.S. and that's something the TSA has a serious lack of.
• I Wear Pants

  I don't think the TSA even thinks about these things. Someone in there suggests a certain "security" measure and they all say "yeah, that sounds great!" Don't even bother hearing what it is.