BHO Shatters Spending Records

• believer

  

  Spend, spend, spend
  

  President Obama has shattered the budget record for first-year presidents -- spending nearly double what his predecessor did when he came into office and far exceeding the first-year tabs for any other U.S. president in history

  I'm shocked by this revelation....SHOCKED I tell you! You mean he has spent twice as much as "W"?
  
  Can't be.
  
  Oh that's right this is bogus because my source is the eeeeeevil Fox News thugs. :rolleyes:
• iclfan2

  

  Don't worry, all the Dems that cried about Bush doing it won't cry bout Obama doing it.
• believer

  

  ^^^Of course not because the $$$$$$ BHO is spending is helping to keep unemployment to just under 8%....9%......10%.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Hasn't the budget increased for every President? I mean wasn't Bush the highest before this? It is concerning as some areas need cut and eliminated, and the rational the administration puts forth does have some holes. But, it is not a surprise, as not unexpected either.
  
  Also, Congress deserves just as much, if not more blame, as they are the ones who put pet projects and special interest groups in front of spending cuts (and that goes for both parties). The President submits the budget, but Congress usually adds much, much more to areas that will benefit and their state and district.
  
  You want spending cuts, look to Congress and both parties.
  
  I will say, in terms of the defense budget, there is actual restraint, even with Congressional resistance-see the F-22 debate.
• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:I will say, in terms of the defense budget, there is actual restraint, even with Congressional resistance-see the F-22 debate.

  I'm not shocked by this either. F-22 aside, military spending (despite the excesses & abuses of the MIC) to insure potent national defense is a necessary evil. Carter had the same mindset about it and it ultimately backfired. The only difference here is BHO has a war in Afghanistan to deal with.
  
  YES....every president has increased spending.
  
  My biggest "beef" is that BHO and the Dems made a HUGE issue of "W" and Republican spending during the 2008 campaign (and rightfully so) only to DOUBLE the spending after assuming power and now try to gloss over it by calling it "stimulus." It hasn't stimulated a damned thing except the Federal Deficit.
  
  And now they want to take over health care (and make no mistake that this is PRECISELY the ultimate goal) not-to-mention the bogus idea of cap & tax.
  
  This crap gets my undies in a bunch.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I'm with ya on the crazy spending, but I don't see it as just a Dem idea. Both parties are power hungry and want funds for their states.
  
  Although, I'd argue the stimulus has saved the economy, at least the fundamental foundation, but there is still much to be done.
  The cap and tax idea, I'm on the fence, as I see the arguments both good and bad.
  
  But, my main beef is the institutionalized idea of lobbies and special interest helping to steer pet projects to districts and states when in reality that stuff is not needed and could be eliminated.
  
  On the defense side, the budget does need radical change, per SECDEF Gates, and he has met huge resistance from Congress on the changes.The cuts are not Obama's, but Gates and his team.
• Mr. 300

  

  The dems control every aspect of gov't at the moment. They need to be held responsible for this.
• believer

  

  Mr. 300 wrote: The dems control every aspect of gov't at the moment. They need to be held responsible for this.

  2010 elections comin' up....
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Mr. 300 wrote: The dems control every aspect of gov't at the moment. They need to be held responsible for this.

  I agree, and so do the R's who also support insane spending increases in their state and districts.
• Gobuckeyes1

  ptown - I appreciate your reasonable approach on this thread. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears.
  
  You are correct. Both sides are to blame. Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same monster. "Divide and conquer" is the name of the game, and both sides are playing it for all it's worth.
• RoyalNut

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

  Mr. 300 wrote: The dems control every aspect of gov't at the moment. They need to be held responsible for this.

  I agree, and so do the R's who also support insane spending increases in their state and districts.

  Gobuckeyes1 wrote: ptown - I appreciate your reasonable approach on this thread. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears.
  
  You are correct. Both sides are to blame. Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same monster. "Divide and conquer" is the name of the game, and both sides are playing it for all it's worth.

  I happen to agree with both of you that is a "D" and an "R" problem as a matter of fact I found a wonderful website that REALLY points this out.
  http://www.ourcaucus.com/
  Every American should see this, check it out when you have the time.
  
  If there were a way to do it I would do away with the party system in a heart beat. As well as lobbyists and special interests.
  
  But not to totally rail on the Dems, but honestly you two. We have NEVER IN OUR HISTORY seen spending like this!
  
  The $100 Million Health Care Vote? thats what Democrat Mary Landrieu got for her vote for health care.
  http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html
  
  This is wrong people! I do not care how you slice it, this is plain WRONG. Sure Louisianan needs the money, but to ONLY get the funds they need if the senator votes a certain way on healthcare bill is WRONG! Did her constituents in Louisianan really get fair representation? I think NOT!
• BCSbunk

  Gobuckeyes1 wrote: ptown - I appreciate your reasonable approach on this thread. Too bad it will fall on deaf ears.
  
  You are correct. Both sides are to blame. Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same monster. "Divide and conquer" is the name of the game, and both sides are playing it for all it's worth.

  ^^^ EPIC WIN!
  
  The government has already polarized the majority of voters when really there are only a handful of issues that divide them. Democrats and Republicans on the grand scale are basically the same.
  
  They have succeeded in divide and conquer on just a handful of issues.
• redstreak one

  

  ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets. Nice website royalnut. I spent the last 40 minutes listening and agreeing with just about everything they were saying. Time to put the votes to good use and get special interests and lobby groups back in check!
• believer

  

  redstreak one wrote: ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets.

  
  Um....for the record, issues like abortion NEED to be "fought" or at least scrutinized and debated.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Yes the Republicans have been guilty of ridiculous spending, too.
  
  That said: WE ARE NOW SETTING RECORDS FOR INCREASING THE DEFICIT.
  
  That is ALL on this administration and Congress. They had a choice here, and they are choosing to not only continue irresponsible spending, but are increasing it many times over.
  
  We should not be doing health care "reform' now, or cap & steal, and the stimulus was nothing but political pork that has done nothing to increase anything other than debt.
  
  Now is a time we should be cutting spending and finding ways to stimulate the private sector instead of relying on a theory to stimulate the economy that has been proven to be a massive failure (Keynesian economics).
  
  You want to point fingers at Republicans for PAST grievances in over spending, be my guest. But don't try to equate what has gone on then with the record setting pace we are involved in NOW. It's not the same, no matter how you try to spin it.
• Gobuckeyes1

  Writerbuckeye wrote: Yes the Republicans have been guilty of ridiculous spending, too.
  
  That said: WE ARE NOW SETTING RECORDS FOR INCREASING THE DEFICIT.
  
  That is ALL on this administration and Congress. They had a choice here, and they are choosing to not only continue irresponsible spending, but are increasing it many times over.
  
  We should not be doing health care "reform' now, or cap & steal, and the stimulus was nothing but political pork that has done nothing to increase anything other than debt.
  
  Now is a time we should be cutting spending and finding ways to stimulate the private sector instead of relying on a theory to stimulate the economy that has been proven to be a massive failure (Keynesian economics).
  
  You want to point fingers at Republicans for PAST grievances in over spending, be my guest. But don't try to equate what has gone on then with the record setting pace we are involved in NOW. It's not the same, no matter how you try to spin it.

  Our previous President was setting spending records as well, so yes...it is the same. If my memory serves me, the only President in the past 30 years who actually ran a surplus was Clinton, and we were too concerned about his sex life to notice.
  
  "My side sucks, but it doesn't suck as bad as yours." Keep playing the game...divide and conquer. You are eating right out of their hands.
• Mr. 300

  

  Gobuckeyes1 wrote:

  Writerbuckeye wrote: Yes the Republicans have been guilty of ridiculous spending, too.
  
  That said: WE ARE NOW SETTING RECORDS FOR INCREASING THE DEFICIT.
  
  That is ALL on this administration and Congress. They had a choice here, and they are choosing to not only continue irresponsible spending, but are increasing it many times over.
  
  We should not be doing health care "reform' now, or cap & steal, and the stimulus was nothing but political pork that has done nothing to increase anything other than debt.
  
  Now is a time we should be cutting spending and finding ways to stimulate the private sector instead of relying on a theory to stimulate the economy that has been proven to be a massive failure (Keynesian economics).
  
  You want to point fingers at Republicans for PAST grievances in over spending, be my guest. But don't try to equate what has gone on then with the record setting pace we are involved in NOW. It's not the same, no matter how you try to spin it.

  Our previous President was setting spending records as well, so yes...it is the same. If my memory serves me, the only President in the past 30 years who actually ran a surplus was Clinton, and we were too concerned about his sex life to notice.
  
  "My side sucks, but it doesn't suck as bad as yours." Keep playing the game...divide and conquer. You are eating right out of their hands.

  
  All we heard from the partisan left was Bush deficits, Bush deficits, Bush deficits. Now that Obama is obliterating the deficit ceiling, he's going to get it , and rightfully so from the right.
• believer

  

  Mr. 300 wrote:All we heard from the partisan left was Bush deficits, Bush deficits, Bush deficits. Now that Obama is obliterating the deficit ceiling, he's going to get it , and rightfully so from the right.

  Neither party is innocent but for 8 years the left - among other things - lambasted the Bush Administration for deficit spending.
  
  Now that their "leader" has doubled "W's" spending habits in super rapid fashion, all we hear are stimulus excuses and "Bush set the example." I thought BHO - besides possessing the ability to levitate and walk on water - was going to bring us Change We Can Believe In.
  
  By the way Gobuckeyes, while Clinton was having his fun in the Oval Orifice, I'm a lot more likely to give credit to his artificial "surplus" numbers to the Republican-controlled Congress.
  
  Unfortunately they decided to start spending like Democrats under Bush.
  
  And the beat goes on.
• redstreak one

  

  believer wrote:

  redstreak one wrote: ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets.

  
  Um....for the record, issues like abortion NEED to be "fought" or at least scrutinized and debated.

  Not when it overrides issues that are by both sides that will destroy our world around us! Hey, the dollar is worth 1 cent, gas is $30 a gallon, the stock market and banks are collapsing, food shortages, but hey a woman has a right to chose! Lol
  
  Issues like abortion are important to discuss, but what good are protecting certain rights, when our government is overstepping its bounds and spending like no mans business?
• believer

  

  redstreak one wrote:Issues like abortion are important to discuss, but what good are protecting certain rights, when our government is overstepping its bounds and spending like no mans business?

  Can't disagree with that. Just don't sweep the baby under the carpet just because American Woman over-spent.
• derek bomar

  

  believer wrote:

  redstreak one wrote: ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets.

  
  Um....for the record, issues like abortion NEED to be "fought" or at least scrutinized and debated.

  no they don't...
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ^^^ Why not, DB?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  derek bomar wrote:

  believer wrote:

  redstreak one wrote: ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets.

  
  Um....for the record, issues like abortion NEED to be "fought" or at least scrutinized and debated.

  no they don't...

  I'm glad you're so damn certain life doesn't begin at conception. I'm not, and neither are most doctors.
  
  To say it doesn't need to be debated is declaring things settled when that simply isn't true. Kind of like the whole global warming scam and Al Gore saying the debate is over. That was also false.
• BCSbunk

  Writerbuckeye wrote:

  derek bomar wrote:

  believer wrote:

  redstreak one wrote: ^^^^No kidding, keep us fighting on issues like abortion while the meantime they are filling their pockets.

  
  Um....for the record, issues like abortion NEED to be "fought" or at least scrutinized and debated.

  no they don't...

  I'm glad you're so damn certain life doesn't begin at conception. I'm not, and neither are most doctors.
  
  To say it doesn't need to be debated is declaring things settled when that simply isn't true. Kind of like the whole global warming scam and Al Gore saying the debate is over. That was also false.

  Life begins at conception is incoherent.
  
  First define life. Then define begin. Then you can see it is incoherent.
  
  It implies that there is no life however this is not true. Are sperm cells alive or dead? Are eggs alive or dead?
  
  Life does not begin at conception.
  
  Conception is the beginning of the transformation to being fully human.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Conception: n. 1. act or effect of conceiving; an idea; notion. 2. fertilization; pregnancy. 3. beginning
  
  Life: n. 1. the aggregate of the powers of metabolism, reproduction, mobility, etc. 2. animals and plants collectively. 3. duration of existence. 4. a condition, or course of living, career, station. 5. a biography. 6. animation; vivacity; vigor.
  
  Begin: v.t. & i. 1. take the first step in an action; commence; start. 2. come into existence; arise.
  
  Alive: adj. 1. living; existent. 2. active; animated. 3. open to impressions; susceptible. 4. filled with living things.
  
  hmmm.... I think you are adding your interpretations to the definitions.