Rally to Restore Sanity

• BGFalcons82

  

  Heretic;498754 wrote:That's how I feel. Hell, last week, I had to sit through a 5-or-10-minute argument that never quite reached "shouting match" levels, but came close between two guys who are lifelong friends (I'm a more-recent friend of both) over politics. The "my way is the only right way, compromise is for pussies" attitude is what's ruining this country more than the ideals of either side. If this rally can bring that notion to the forefront and run with it, it will be a success as far as I'm concerned.

  
  You may be right, but here's a different perspective. For decades now, the discussion and compromises have revolved around how much money to throw at problems. Dems want to spend exhorbitant amounts and until lately, Republicans act like Democrat Lite and fail to debate the actual need for spending; they come up with ways to spend less. And so, until recently, the compromise is not about whether spending $1 is right or wrong, but how many trillions of wealth must be transferred by the government from the wealthy to the dependency class. We've been fighting the War on Poverty for generations and guess what....we have more poverty than ever before! Why spend any more on a war that can't be won? The Dems say we didn't spend enough, the Repubs say we spent it on the wrong programs.
  
  The arguments today have reverted back to the original questions with the fact that there is nothing left to spend. You see your friends shouting because we are faced with stark realities and there is no more Democrat Lite compromise that can fund one more dollar of pork, stimulus, TARP, bailouts, car company ownerships, etc. This is the Tea Party...and as hitsRus so eloquently stated....just STOP spending. Just stop it until we can afford it....if ever.
• I Wear Pants

  BGFalcons82;498853 wrote:You may be right, but here's a different perspective. For decades now, the discussion and compromises have revolved around how much money to throw at problems. Dems want to spend exhorbitant amounts and until lately, Republicans act like Democrat Lite and fail to debate the actual need for spending; they come up with ways to spend less. And so, until recently, the compromise is not about whether spending $1 is right or wrong, but how many trillions of wealth must be transferred by the government from the wealthy to the dependency class. We've been fighting the War on Poverty for generations and guess what....we have more poverty than ever before! Why spend any more on a war that can't be won? The Dems say we didn't spend enough, the Repubs say we spent it on the wrong programs.
  
  The arguments today have reverted back to the original questions with the fact that there is nothing left to spend. You see your friends shouting because we are faced with stark realities and there is no more Democrat Lite compromise that can fund one more dollar of pork, stimulus, TARP, bailouts, car company ownerships, etc. This is the Tea Party...and as hitsRus so eloquently stated....just STOP spending. Just stop it until we can afford it....if ever.

  I'm interested then on your views on the War on Terror, and the War on Drugs.
• Glory Days

  

  I Wear Pants;499514 wrote:I'm interested then on your views on the War on Terror, and the War on Drugs.

  
  and the War on Poverty.
• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;499514 wrote:I'm interested then on your views on the War on Terror, and the War on Drugs.

  
  The War on Terror will never be won, IMO. Until the radicals in charge of the Religion of Peace are brought under control by the leaders of Islam, there will always be at least one suicide bomber out there with a ticket punched to meet Allah and the 72 virgins in their twisted mind. I never see this happening as the leaders believe in Islam as a way of life, not just a religion and they abhor non-Sharia compliant law. While some put on face-paint and portend to be against their radical elements, in truth, they condone them.
  
  The War on Drugs is a half-ass attempt to control drugs in this country. It's not a war at all.
  
  So you dodged the War on Poverty question. Are you for it? Should we spend more money that doesn't exist to expand it? You know Obama is for confiscating more and redistributing as much as he can. Curtail it? Maybe provide ownership instead of a subsidy (Jack Kemp's goal)?
• I Wear Pants

  No, I just forgot to add it since it was already in your post.
  
  But my point was since those wars are unwinnable in your view as well should we spend any more money and lives on futile efforts?
• BGFalcons82

  

  When the War on Terror gets to the ripe old age of 45, then they would be comparable.
  
  Obama has already quit the War on Drugs by allowing easy access through the southern borders. Therefore, that war has already been lost in the guise of registering new voters. I'll call it his Drugs for Votes campaign.
• I Wear Pants

  The War on Drugs is certainly not "quit". We spend billions and billions a year attempting to fight it and imprison hundreds of thousands of people for it. If that's quitting then I'd hate to see them actually try.
  
  All the "wars" on ideologies or personal consumption are stupid (terror, drugs, poverty). That doesn't mean that we can't try to curtail them but the idea that we should approach them in a militaristic way is outdated and obviously doesn't work.
• Belly35

  

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• CenterBHSFan

  

  I like alot of what this Michael Berry has to say, except one of his tendencies. He really places too much emphasis on R vs. D.
  I can't stand where the democrat party is going and the republicans should just about be sick of where their party is going too. I don't know which party is worse. My focus is full of disgust for the democrats because that's where I'm at and I'm tired of the guttersnipes in power and all their hijinx. Every republican out there and on this board should be sick of their party too.
  Right now, I can't say a whole helluva lot about the republicans when I see the jackasses in the D slot. LOL! I wish I could, but I'm not interested in being a hypocrit with my eyes wide open.
  
  If Michael Berry would focus more on calling out both parties, he'd be a great man. But he's not. He's too wrapped up in the R vs. D warfare.
  
  You republicans out there better stop worrying so much about the other guy until you get your own house in order.
  
  Good riddance to bad rubbish on both sides!
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  CenterBHSFan;502245 wrote:I like alot of what this Michael Berry has to say, except one of his tendencies. He really places too much emphasis on R vs. D.
  I can't stand where the democrat party is going and the republicans should just about be sick of where their party is going too. I don't know which party is worse. My focus is full of disgust for the democrats because that's where I'm at and I'm tired of the guttersnipes in power and all their hijinx. Every republican out there and on this board should be sick of their party too.
  Right now, I can't say a whole helluva lot about the republicans when I see the jackasses in the D slot. LOL! I wish I could, but I'm not interested in being a hypocrit with my eyes wide open.
  
  If Michael Berry would focus more on calling out both parties, he'd be a great man. But he's not. He's too wrapped up in the R vs. D warfare.
  
  You republicans out there better stop worrying so much about the other guy until you get your own house in order.
  
  Good riddance to bad rubbish on both sides!

  
  Yep. I have yet to see how the R leadership of today is different than the R leadership of 2006. They say they are different, but so far, I have yet to see a dramatic difference in policy or substance.
• BGFalcons82

  

  ptown_trojans_1;502259 wrote:Yep. I have yet to see how the R leadership of today is different than the R leadership of 2006. They say they are different, but so far, I have yet to see a dramatic difference in policy or substance.

  
  Really? Have you seen the RINO's been tossed out on their asses and they refuse to understand so they try to be a "write in" candidate ---Crist, Murkowski, Castle (won't deny it), Scozzafavvvvaasasdccada from NY23, and on and on. The R's are not the same as your 2006 brand that got their ass beat because they quit being conservative. They got fired and the current bunch is fired too. Adios spenders...sanity makes a comeback on 11-2-2010.
• fish82

  

  ptown_trojans_1;502259 wrote:Yep. I have yet to see how the R leadership of today is different than the R leadership of 2006. They say they are different, but so far, I have yet to see a dramatic difference in policy or substance.

  To be fair, they haven't had the clout to really do anything thus far. It'll be interesting to see if they actually "walk the walk" of fiscal sanity once they take power in the House.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Jon Stewart a "bigot" ??? Rick Sanchez thinks so!
  
  Rick Sanchez Rails On Jon Stewart, Jews, Media
  
  Some quotes:
  

  
  "I think he looks at the world through his mom, who was a school teacher, and his dad, who was a physicist or something like that," Sanchez said, according to transcripts provided by the radio program's blog. "Great, I'm so happy that he grew up in a suburban middle-class New Jersey home with everything you could ever imagine."
  
  Dominik then asked what group it was that Stewart held a prejudiced view toward.
  
  "Everybody else who's not like him," Sanchez responded. "Look at his show, I mean what does he surround himself with?"

  
  Later in the program, Sanchez retracted the word "bigot" from his criticism of Stewart. "All right," Sanchez said. "I'll take the word bigot back; I'll say prejudicial, uninformed." But as the conversation continued, Sanchez hammered away at Stewart, and after Dominik noted that, being a Jew, Stewart had a sense of what it was to be an oppressed minority, Sanchez laughed.

  
  This guy is a cornball.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  And just saw he was fired. Best move CNN made in a long time. What an idiot.
  http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/1010/Sanchez_out_at_CNN.html?showall
• Glory Days

  

  CenterBHSFan;503783 wrote:Jon Stewart a "bigot" ??? Rick Sanchez thinks so!
  
  Rick Sanchez Rails On Jon Stewart, Jews, Media
  
  Some quotes:
  
  
  
  
  
  This guy is a cornball.

  
  looks like we'll have to wait for monday to see stewarts response. he always likes to have fun at news anchors who take shots at him.
• Glory Days

  

  ptown_trojans_1;503796 wrote:And just saw he was fired. Best move CNN made in a long time. What an idiot.
  http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/1010/Sanchez_out_at_CNN.html?showall

  
  yeah i dont watch a lot of CNN but this guy seems to say a lot of stupid stuff.
• I Wear Pants

  CenterBHSFan;502245 wrote:I like alot of what this Michael Berry has to say, except one of his tendencies. He really places too much emphasis on R vs. D.
  I can't stand where the democrat party is going and the republicans should just about be sick of where their party is going too. I don't know which party is worse. My focus is full of disgust for the democrats because that's where I'm at and I'm tired of the guttersnipes in power and all their hijinx. Every republican out there and on this board should be sick of their party too.
  Right now, I can't say a whole helluva lot about the republicans when I see the jackasses in the D slot. LOL! I wish I could, but I'm not interested in being a hypocrit with my eyes wide open.
  
  If Michael Berry would focus more on calling out both parties, he'd be a great man. But he's not. He's too wrapped up in the R vs. D warfare.
  
  You republicans out there better stop worrying so much about the other guy until you get your own house in order.
  
  Good riddance to bad rubbish on both sides!

  Good post.
• majorspark

  

  It seems that everytime the left comes to DC they trash the place. Can no one get trash pictures at right wing DC rallies? Or are these pictures telling us something? Either way what is with these people disgusting behavior.
  
  [video=youtube;_AZ8nHHR-P0][/video]
  
  After the inauguration of Obama.
  
  
  
• I Wear Pants

  Young people vs old people majorspark.
• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;507159 wrote:Young people vs old people majorspark.

  
  I dunno. I saw lots of old hippies yesterday. They were easy to spot because there was no real crowd of people.
  
  Even if you are correct...does that make it right? Are you saying it's justified because they haven't learned yet to leave the place better than they found it? Isn't the younger crowd all about how the older generation is destroying the planet, and yet they are doing a masterful job of it? Aren't the young people really pushing for climate change legislation? Aren't the young people pushing for green energy? Shouldn't mother earth be taken care of better than this?
  
  You know the answers...it's just the utter disdain these people show because they're always preaching what is best for everyone else and they can't even put trash where it belongs.
• I Wear Pants

  No it still isn't right. I was just throwing out ideas for why we might see the difference in trash left behind.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Remember this classic?
  
  
  [video=youtube;_R-FZsysQNw][/video]
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I Wear Pants;507217 wrote:No it still isn't right. I was just throwing out ideas for why we might see the difference in trash left behind.

  
  Iunno, maybe the fact that there were 4x times as many people as the other rally and the fact that food and drinks were being served. Or, how about the event was 5+ hours while the other was just 2-3.
• I Wear Pants

  Valid reasons as well.
  
  I don't think for a second that Democratic gatherings have a monopoly on littering. I just don't feel like looking for pictures or videos of Republican/Tea Party littering to refute the inevidable cries of "why aren't there pictures of that at xxx?" when I bring it up.
• majorspark

  

  ptown_trojans_1;507654 wrote:Iunno, maybe the fact that there were 4x times as many people as the other rally and the fact that food and drinks were being served. Or, how about the event was 5+ hours while the other was just 2-3.

  
  As for the number of people being 4x is there a link to prove this? Not that it really matters. People dropping their shit on the ground where they stand is no excuse. No matter the numbers.
  
  So since this event lasted a couple of more hours people just can't hold their trash for those extra hours. Please...
  
  Food and drinks were served. So what. Does that absolve their personal responsibility and respect of public property? Were they eating their signs? I saw a lot of signs laying on the ground in the video.
  
  And the lack of respect for the WWII memorial is despicable. Those extra couple of hours I guess were just to hard. Those paper signs were just too heavy to carry back. And hey they were serving chow. Too much of a sacrifice for them to dispose of their trash responsibly. Just chuck the trash on the memorial to those who sacrificed their lives for their country. Disgusting.
  
  Personally Ptown I don't understand why you want to make excuses for these people. What they did was wrong and disrespectful. I can't say for sure it reflects the character of those that espouse a certain political ideology. I would like to think not. But one has to wonder. Actions speak louder than words.
  
  If any group that espouses my political ideology holds a rally in DC and trashes and disrespects public grounds in this manner I will be the first to condemn them and make no excuse for such behavior. I don't care if they were there for 24 hours and were fed like kings. No one is forced to be there they can come and go as they please.