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Florida church to honor 9/11 with a burning of the Koran

  • majorspark
    As for the comments of General Petraeus, he is correct. It would likely be used for propaganda and recruitment of fighters. This could be used to put a religious tinge too it. But there is plenty of material out there for those purposes. They have a stockpile of pictures of innocent women and children our bombs and bullets have killed and maimed over the last decade.

    If we are going to go to war, we should be less concerned if our enemies or potential enemies like us. Our biggest concern should be that they fear us. A little piss running down the leg is a great way to combat recruitment of fighters.
  • Mr. 300
    Is this now a holy war??
  • Mooney44Cards
    NEWS FLASH!!!

    BATSHIT CRAZY MINORITY OF A CERTAIN RELIGION DO AND SAY CRAZY SHIT, REST OF WORLD ASSUMES ALL MEMBERS OF THAT COUNTRY/RELIGION ARE THE SAME.

    Hmmm, now that sounds familiar in more than one way.....
  • fish82
    I guess this dude must have run through his collection of Dixie Chicks CDs already.
  • jhay78
    Footwedge;475250 wrote:Is this a serious question? If one promotes religious wars...then more religious wars one will get. the Central Intelligence Agency has written manifestos on this...this is not an anomaly regarding what Petraeous has proclaimed here.

    It's called blowback. It's pretty easy to recruit Islamic radicals, when the US Christian clergy are burning their holy book. Just as it was really easy for Al Quada to recruit thousands in Iraq after America invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.

    Come on jhay...this is not rocket science.
    It was a rhetorical question. I feel pretty confident as to the reasons why Koran-burning would incite violence from certain members of the Muslim community.
    majorspark;475273 wrote:As for the comments of General Petraeus, he is correct. It would likely be used for propaganda and recruitment of fighters. This could be used to put a religious tinge too it. But there is plenty of material out there for those purposes. They have a stockpile of pictures of innocent women and children our bombs and bullets have killed and maimed over the last decade.

    If we are going to go to war, we should be less concerned if our enemies or potential enemies like us. Our biggest concern should be that they fear us. A little piss running down the leg is a great way to combat recruitment of fighters.
    Exactly. Propagandists will use anything, legit or not, and twist any little slightest hint of offense to serve their purposes, which is to propagandize, i.e., incite the masses. What this church is doing is ridiculous, but where do we draw the line at avoiding offense to would-be propagandists?
  • I Wear Pants
    tk421;475130 wrote:Uh huh, wow that 95% figure was just pulled out of your ass. Like you know and speak for all Muslims now, huh Chud? Give me a freaking break.
    It's likely higher than that.


    Edit: Jhay. We shouldn't stop this crazy dirtbag church from doing it's thing. But we should definitely make it clear that they are crazy dirtbags. Slippery slope when we start defining what is and what isn't acceptable to say.
  • dwccrew
    CinciX12;474839 wrote:More power to them. I don't agree with it and think it promotes racism towards Arab people, but like you said they are technically allowed to do it.

    Not all arab people are muslim though. I am of arab descent, but I am not a muslim. Unless what you are pointing out is people will automatically assume arabs are muslims. Or did you mean discrimination against muslims? Either way, you are correct.

    I don't support this at all, but I do support their right to voice their opinion in a peaceful manner.

    I do wish that people would get as upset about this idiotic demonstration like they are the cultural center that is being built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. I think these people misrepresent Christians just as the extremists misrepresent Muslims.
  • HitsRus
    While I loathe people who act like this, I have to support their right to do it. ( Isn't that what everyone says when an American flag gets burned?)

    Can we expect blowback? Sure. Just like the Muslim community should expect blowback from the 9/11 attacks that were made in Islam's name. That's why peaceful people should be careful not to inflame other people's sensitivities, if it is truly peace that they want. This applies to burning the Koran, as well as building Islamic centers too close to the scene of an attack. This is not the time to assert 'rights' over another's sensitivities. Common sense should prevail if peace is the goal.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Yeah, I can't see Jesus promoting this type of behavior.
    The people who hate us/any western culture, are not going to somehow "rehate" us. The whackos are already there with their intent and thoughts. The average muslim will see this for what it is - knowing that this sort of shenanigans is not the norm. But, the average muslim is not murderous, they have some sense about themselves.

    However, that doesn't mean that I excuse the excuse of the whackos wanting to burn the Koran/Qu'ran (or the other ways I've seen it spelled). I wish they wouldn't, even though they have the right to. It's just a stupid thing to do.
    They probably have aspirations of starting a religions war.... freakin whackos!
  • ts1227
    BoatShoes;474963 wrote: They don't have to burn the Bible... all they have to do is build a Mosque on their own private property to get an angry response from Christians ;)

    I lol'ed
  • FairwoodKing
    I'm an atheist so I don't care how many Korans or Bibles or whatever other holy books are destroyed. This world would be a lot better without all of them. But I am also an American and I believe in the Constitution. The Muslims are entitled to the same rights of worship that I am the right not to worship. I think what this preacher is doing is very bad and I do not support it.
  • rydawg5
    FairwoodKing;476298 wrote:I'm an atheist so I don't care how many Korans or Bibles or whatever other holy books are destroyed. This world would be a lot better without all of them. .

    False.

    I don't know if you believe in magic, but I certainly don't. Take Bibles and Korans out of the equation and you still have the human race fighting over SOMETHING. Yes, I know that books encouraging and teaching masses to be selfless, caring, sharing, etc will have such a negative affect on people, but I'm sure people would have still been as imperfect without them.

    Good job though for trying.
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  • THE4RINGZ
    Terry Jones looks like a cult leader
  • sleeper
    I'm all for burning religious books, but this should NEVER have been publicized because of the crazy Islamic fundamentalists. I know Islam claims to be a religion of peace, but let's be honest, there are enough zealots out there that will use this as fuel to attack and harm more Americans, and I hope Obama puts a stop to it IMMEDIATELY.
  • FatHobbit
    sleeper;476815 wrote:I hope Obama puts a stop to it IMMEDIATELY.

    I hope Obama stays out of it. He should have better things to do than worry about a 2nd rate snake oil salesman. I think we'd all be better off if the media just ignored this kook.
  • sleeper
    Maybe he should have, but its national news now, meaning the spotlight is already there and its up to Obama and his cronies to take care of business.
  • FatHobbit
    sleeper;476821 wrote:Maybe he should have, but its national news now, meaning the spotlight is already there and its up to Obama and his cronies to take care of business.

    It's within this guys rights to burn any book he chooses.
  • sleeper
    FatHobbit;476831 wrote:It's within this guys rights to burn any book he chooses.

    Good point.
  • Con_Alma
    FairwoodKing;476298 wrote:I'm an atheist so I don't care how many Korans or Bibles or whatever other holy books are destroyed....
    You only care about the things that you believe????

    What if all others took that approach? How would it impact you?
  • FairwoodKing
    Con_Alma;476863 wrote:You only care about the things that you believe????

    What if all others took that approach? How would it impact you?

    I don't believe in bullshit and I try to keep it out of my life. If everybody accepted what I believe, we would have a very peaceful world and everyone would enjoy their human rights.
  • majorspark
    The US military burned Bibles in Afghanistan because they feared muslim backlash. If we are going to war over there they should be fearing our lash. Not us their backlash.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
    Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

    That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.
    Someone's got their panties in a bunch.
  • Con_Alma
    FairwoodKing;476897 wrote:I don't believe in bullshit and I try to keep it out of my life. If everybody accepted what I believe, we would have a very peaceful world and everyone would enjoy their human rights.


    Others could say the same thing and have a completely different belief system than you.

    The point is there are things I don't agree with but understand that they must be available and tolerated. I am not asking you to do the same but rather am intrigued that if you don't personally believe them you don't think they have any reason to be present in others.
  • jhay78
    FairwoodKing;476298 wrote:I'm an atheist so I don't care how many Korans or Bibles or whatever other holy books are destroyed. This world would be a lot better without all of them. But I am also an American and I believe in the Constitution. The Muslims are entitled to the same rights of worship that I am the right not to worship. I think what this preacher is doing is very bad and I do not support it.
    rydawg5;476391 wrote:False.

    I don't know if you believe in magic, but I certainly don't. Take Bibles and Korans out of the equation and you still have the human race fighting over SOMETHING. Yes, I know that books encouraging and teaching masses to be selfless, caring, sharing, etc will have such a negative affect on people, but I'm sure people would have still been as imperfect without them.

    Good job though for trying.
    Actually, atheism is the one true solution for a peaceful world.

    Sincerely,

    Marxism
    Communism
    the Soviet Union
    Eastern Europe
    the Iron Curtain
    majorspark;476902 wrote:The US military burned Bibles in Afghanistan because they feared muslim backlash. If we are going to war over there they should be fearing our lash. Not us their backlash.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/



    Someone's got their panties in a bunch.
    That makes sense.

    Burn those Bibles!- or else watch out for violent Muslim backlash. Don't burn those Korans!- or watch out for violent Muslim backlash.
  • FatHobbit
    FairwoodKing;476897 wrote:I don't believe in bullshit and I try to keep it out of my life. If everybody accepted what I believe, we would have a very peaceful world and everyone would enjoy their human rights.
    Only when YOU would just accept what I believe will we have a peaceful world and everyone will enjoy their human rights. I have no interest in what YOU believe.
    jhay78;476952 wrote:Actually, atheism is the one true solution for a peaceful world.

    Sincerely,

    Marxism
    Communism
    the Soviet Union
    Eastern Europe
    the Iron Curtain

    I think it's fair to say that the problem is more complex than that and simply being an athiest is not the answer.