The Military Lied to the Wrong Family

• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;405507 wrote:Are you suggesting a soldier publicly chastised his Commander In Chief?
  
  Why would you spit in his face like that? Why trash an American hero's name after he has died?
  
  If he did such a thing and you were in approval of his views you surely shouldn't be bringing up his lack of loyalty to his superiors and the military code regarding the chain of command. Shame on you.
  
  RIP Mr. Tillman.

  Yeah...shame on me for educated the people on OC for what happened to private Tillman. I guess with your way of thinking, anyone who disagreed with Pinnochio on invading Iraq should have 3 bullets plugged in his noggin. Apparently that's what makes us a great democracy, doesn't it?
• Footwedge

  Bush and minions 935 lies that sold Congress, the American people, and most importantly, the soldiers who died for this crap.
  
  http://themoderatevoice.com/17260/the-truth-about-935-bush-lies/
• Footwedge

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• BCBulldog

  

  Footwedge;406001 wrote:It's a sad commentary that people view what happened in Iraq with your attitude, given all of the "right to know" information available for all to see. I now exactly what Bush knew...and what he knew was that there were no WMD's in Iraq...and invaded anyway. Apparently 4200 dead US soldiers is OK with you...on a completely unnecessary war...based on 935 publicly stated lies.
  
  First of all, about 1/3 of the Congress were against this invasion. The other 2/3 were lied to...to their face by the fuckin idiot and his band o neogoons in the White House.
  
  You need to google search the Office of Special Plans, headed by Cheney and carried forth by Douglas Feith...an operation put in place to deliberately mislead the American public on what Iraq was and what they weren't.
  
  Calling Bush an idiot regarding Iraq is truly degrading....to all of the true mentallly challenged folks out there.
  
  
  
  
  
  I didn't put any words in your mouth. I responded to your typical tripe that our military is incapable of committing war crimes.
  
  
  
  
  
  And the Tillmans' collectively spit in your face for making such a ludicrous and outrageous claim. How the fuck would you like it if your son/brother was gunned down from 10 yards...and the military lied and covered this up for 4 weeks afterword? Yeah...it's all about the fucking money isn't it?

  
  As usual, you are way off on all of this. If you believe that all the information available to the President about Iraq has been revealed, fine. Just know that many things are kept classified for a reason. You go ahead and believe everything you read by journalists and filmmakers. I'll listen to the people who actually have all of the information.
  
  So making a movie that paints your son/brother as a disrespectful, defiant and out of line soldier somehow honors him? And since when does making a for-profit movie have anything to do with revealing truth? The only truth I see here is that a hero's story is being marginalized so his family can benefit financially. The story is already out there. What is the need for a movie that skews the facts to make it more entertaining? Money is the only thing that fits.
• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;406008 wrote:Yeah...shame on me for educated the people on OC for what happened to private Tillman. I guess with your way of thinking, anyone who disagreed with Pinnochio on invading Iraq should have 3 bullets plugged in his noggin. Apparently that's what makes us a great democracy, doesn't it?

  
  
  You just don't get it do you?
  
  1...I didn't express shame on you for educating people. I did so for pouring salt in the wounds of a great soldier posthumously. There's a difference.
  
  2. You guessed wrong. Here's my way of thinking clarified for you. No one deserves a bullet in their hear for their political opinions.
  
  3. We don't live in a Democracy...never have. It's a Democratic Republic. There's a difference.
• BCBulldog

  

  Con_Alma;406147 wrote:3. We don't live in a Democracy...never have. It's a Democratic Republic. There's a difference.

  I'm not trying to nitpick, but to be fully descriptive, the US government is a federal constitutional republic. Democracy may exist at the state level (or lower), but it does not at the federal in the US.
• Tiernan

  McCrystal himself tried to cover this up too. Should have been fired then instead of giving him 18 more mos. to fk things up even more.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  of course it was george bushs fault
• I Wear Pants

  Con_Alma;406147 wrote:You just don't get it do you?
  
  1...I didn't express shame on you for educating people. I did so for pouring salt in the wounds of a great soldier posthumously. There's a difference.
  
  2. You guessed wrong. Here's my way of thinking clarified for you. No one deserves a bullet in their hear for their political opinions.
  
  3. We don't live in a Democracy...never have. It's a Democratic Republic. There's a difference.

  So you think that Tillman didn't disagree with Bush's decision to go to Iraq and ignore Afghanistan?
• Footwedge

  DeyDurkie5;406316 wrote:of course it was george bushs fault

  Exactly. Tillman and 4200 more GI's are dead because of him. And idiots on this board want Obama impeached? LMAO.
• dwccrew

  

  BCBulldog;405880 wrote: And you should really be careful about calling the President of the United States and 'idiot' when you don't even have the slightest idea of the information that President Bush had to use to make decisions. Nobody, except for the fringe, disagreed with his decision at the time. And save me the Bush lied, "Loose Change", conspiracy theory bullshit.

  Colin Powell, the most decorated military man within the first Bush Admin., disagreed with invading Iraq. That is enough for me.
  
  I fall in to the category that Bush was misled with exaggerated information to go into Iraq. There has never been a proven link between Saddam and Al-Queda and there have been no WMD's found at this point.
  
  However, I do believe that "Loose Change" is the biggest bunch of shit ever put together by any filmmaker.
• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;406846 wrote:So you think that Tillman didn't disagree with Bush's decision to go to Iraq and ignore Afghanistan?

  
  I think there are many military people that have differing opinions on the decisions of their superior officers and that I would never point out the flaws of officers or enlisted figures that may or may not question their higher ranking officials.
  
  To follow orders is paramount in having a successful military. I would never suggest publicly that someone would openly question orders for it would be a spit in the face of that respective questioner. Mr. Tillman and his family gave much...more than anyone of us on here and I will not spit on his grave by suggesting he was less than a model soldier.
  
  We all have flaws. To point them out publicly when they are not here to defend themselves is disrespectful and sickening.
• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;407370 wrote:I think there are many military people that have differing opinions on the decisions of their superior officers and that I would never point out the flaws of officers or enlisted figures that may or may not question their higher ranking officials.
  
  To follow orders is paramount in having a successful military. I would never suggest publicly that someone would openly question orders for it would be a spit in the face of that respective questioner. Mr. Tillman and his family gave much...more than anyone of us on here and I will not spit on his grave by suggesting he was less than a model soldier.
  
  We all have flaws. To point them out publicly when they are not here to defend themselves is disrespectful and sickening.

  Are you kidding me? The Tillmans are somehow being disparaged because Pat publicly stated that he was against Bush's invasion in Iraq? Listen bud, get your head out of the sand here. There were thousands and thousands of military personnel that thought Bush was full of shit. And for saying so...doesn't diminish them as soldiers or people. If Pat was here "to defend himself", he would call it like it is....as thousands of other soldiers have done...that are still alive.
  
  I'm sure there were plenty of German soldiers that were outspoken as they funneled millions of Jews into the gas chambers as well. And in your bizarro world, these German soldiers that spoke out, should be castigated as well.
  
  
  I'm still amazed at the radical line of thinking of some here as it relates to American expansionism in general and the Iraq war in particular....given the public knowledge and disgusting history behind it.
• Con_Alma

  I have given no indication that any of my posts in this thread were intended to be in a "kidding" nature.
  
  "...The Tillmans are somehow being disparaged because Pat publicly stated that he was against Bush's invasion in Iraq? ..."
  
  It is wrong for any soldier while active to question publicly his superior officers. To publicly magnify a soldiers inappropriate behavior especially after they have died is disrespectful to that soldier and all others who have and are wearing the uniform.
  
  "...There were thousands and thousands of military personnel that thought Bush was full of shit. ..."
  
  I believe I have previously stated that it is not uncommon for many active military personnel to disagree with their senior command. It changes nothing of my opinion on the issue.
  
  "...And for saying so...doesn't diminish them as soldiers or people....."
  This is where we disagree. It is wrong for any soldier while active to question publicly his superior officers. To publicly magnify a soldiers inappropriate behavior especially after they have died is disrespectful to that soldier and all others who have and are wearing the uniform.
• Footwedge

  ^^^SMH. Bizzarro world. Done debating this subject.