New Arizona law on immigration is stirring it up

• Mr. 300

  

  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/24/advocates-vow-challenge-arizona-immigration-law/
  

  PHOENIX -- Arizona's governor vows the state's tough new law targeting illegal immigration will be implemented with no tolerance for racial profiling, but at least two advocacy groups were preparing legal challenges and Mexico has warned that the law could affect cross-border relations.
  
  Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill that supporters said would give police more powers to deal with illegal immigration in Arizona, the nation's busiest gateway for human and drug smuggling from Mexico and home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
  
  The law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It also requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants; allows lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws; and makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.

  
  I'm all for this. How can anyone be against this?? If you're here without going through the proper chanels, you're breaking the law. I don't understand why Mexico would be waring us that this will strain relationships with the USA.
• jhay78

  

  'Bout time someone stood up against what amounts to another country invading us.
  
  Thank God some states have figured out the problem, when the federal govt has done nothing. It will be interesting to see how this affects other border states like Calif. and Texas.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I'm 50/50 on it. I see the merits of such a law, but I'll reserve my full opinion on it once it is implemented and what results come from it.
  I have a feeling it could create a backlash, draining resources and actually hurting Arizona's economy and law enforcement. Then again, it could really help the state and curb illegals.
• cbus4life

  I don't know what to make of it.
  
  To be completely honest, i don't know how racial profiling won't happen as a result of this bill. And that is not good, last i checked. No reason a completely legal United States citizen should be stopped on the street and hassled about their citizenship status simply because of the color of their skin.
  
  I hope it will turn out well, just don't know if it is possible...
  
  I mean, what "information" do the police need to suspect that they are illegal immigrants, and question them?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  I am also 50/50 on this.
  
  On the one hand I feel that the police have better things to do like murders, B&E, etc.
  But on the other hand, the local police know the neighborhoods and the tone of the cities and towns.
  
  Also, I don't get Mexico's stance on this.
  

  Mexico has warned that the law could affect cross-border relations.

  No kiddin'!!!
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I'm all for it. A cop can ask you for your ID any time he wants and it doesn't mean he's racially profiling. What is the point of a green card if people aren't expected to show it and prove they're a legal citizen.
  
  Enough of the profiling bullshit, they're trying to stop MEXICANS from coming here illegally. Are you profiling if you think someone is a Mexican? Sure, I suppose, but why is it a negative thing? You are what you are.
• LJ

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm all for it. A cop can ask you for your ID any time he wants and it doesn't mean he's racially profiling. What is the point of a green card if people aren't expected to show it and prove they're a legal citizen.
  
  Enough of the profiling bullshit, they're trying to stop MEXICANS from coming here illegally. Are you profiling if you think someone is a Mexican? Sure, I suppose, but why is it a negative thing? You are what you are.

  actually not true, all you have to provide is your name.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  What isn't true?
• LJ

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: What isn't true?

  that a cop can ask for your ID at any time for any reason.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  That is absolutely true.
  
  Like you said, you just have to provide your name--what happens when someone doesn't have their wallet? But a cop can always request to see your ID.
• Glory Days

  

  LJ wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm all for it. A cop can ask you for your ID any time he wants and it doesn't mean he's racially profiling. What is the point of a green card if people aren't expected to show it and prove they're a legal citizen.
  
  Enough of the profiling bullshit, they're trying to stop MEXICANS from coming here illegally. Are you profiling if you think someone is a Mexican? Sure, I suppose, but why is it a negative thing? You are what you are.

  actually not true, all you have to provide is your name.

  well, thats if the cop believes you are who you say you are.
  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: I have a feeling it could create a backlash, draining resources and actually hurting Arizona's economy and law enforcement. Then again, it could really help the state and curb illegals

  couldnt it also help the economy by getting rid of illegal employment and employing legal citizens? i mean yeah, its not the best jobs out there, but for some people who dont have jobs, its better than nothing.
• Belly35

  

  Belly Bill : Illegal for Points .....Turn in a illegal and get bonus point for new applicance or car.
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• LJ

  

  Glory Days wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm all for it. A cop can ask you for your ID any time he wants and it doesn't mean he's racially profiling. What is the point of a green card if people aren't expected to show it and prove they're a legal citizen.
  
  Enough of the profiling bullshit, they're trying to stop MEXICANS from coming here illegally. Are you profiling if you think someone is a Mexican? Sure, I suppose, but why is it a negative thing? You are what you are.

  actually not true, all you have to provide is your name.

  well, thats if the cop believes you are who you say you are.
  
  

  US Supreme Court says all you hav to give is a name.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  That is all you have to give.
  
  You're not understanding what I'm saying. A cop can come up and ask you for your ID any time he wants. All you're required to give is your name, doesn't mean he can't ask you. How many people won't produce their ID unless they don't have it? Pretty much only someone that has something to hide.
• LJ

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: That is all you have to give.
  
  You're not understanding what I'm saying. A cop can come up and ask you for your ID any time he wants. All you're required to give is your name, doesn't mean he can't ask you. How many people won't produce their ID unless they don't have it? Pretty much only someone that has something to hide.

  you do realize you are arguing with thin air correct?
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Excuse me?
• HitsRus

  

  4th amendement rights...
  http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/criminal_rights/your-rights-search-and-seizure/search_seizure.html
  
  It bothers me that an American citizen could be detained or have to produce papers proving his identification solely because he looks Hispanic.
  
  Police should have probable cause to detain someone. I'm am for greater penalties for those that are caught, including those who transport or knowingly hire illegals.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  What is the point of a green card if the person never has to produce it?
  
  And it's not racial profiling, if you're Mexican, you're Mexican.
• cbus4life

  SQ_Crazies wrote: What is the point of a green card if the person never has to produce it?
  
  And it's not racial profiling, if you're Mexican, you're Mexican.

  It isn't only "Mexicans" who have "brown" skin or "look mexican."
  
  It is racial profiling, plain and simple. Considering not all "Hispanic" people are "Mexican," it seems problematic to me. I don't like the idea of people being targeted because they look "Mexican," even if they have absolutely no connection to Mexico whatsoever. Absolutely not fair to them, and utterly ridiculous. Too many issues with this bill for me to support it. Basically OKs profiling based on skin color. Maybe if it was only Mexicans who looked "hispanic," it would be a little more OK. But, not in its current form.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Come on...
• CenterBHSFan

  

  cbus4life wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: What is the point of a green card if the person never has to produce it?
  
  And it's not racial profiling, if you're Mexican, you're Mexican.

  It isn't only "Mexicans" who have "brown" skin or "look mexican."
  
  It is racial profiling, plain and simple. Considering not all "Hispanic" people are "Mexican," it seems problematic to me. I don't like the idea of people being targeted because they look "Mexican," even if they have absolutely no connection to Mexico whatsoever. Absolutely not fair to them, and utterly ridiculous. Too many issues with this bill for me to support it. Basically OKs profiling based on skin color. Maybe if it was only Mexicans who looked "hispanic," it would be a little more OK. But, not in its current form.

  
  Which is why I think that the local police are the best people to handle this. They know their towns, where the pick-ups are (hiring illegals for daywork), where they live and where they hang out.
  I don't necessarily call that "profiling" in the sense that you might.
  
  For example, I used to live in Novato, Ca.
  Right now I could take you to 4th and Grant and show you a few apts where there are probably 60 people living in 3 apts.
  Or San Marin Drive (west end, near Wild Horse Canyon) where alot of day laborers are picked up.
  You get my point.
• ManO'War

  

  Yep.
  
  When I lived in St Pete Florida I could tell you if someone was from Mexico or some place else easily.
• tk421

  

  If the Federal Government would get off it's ass and do something about the illegal immigration problem, states wouldn't have to take these extreme measures. But, no, that would make too much sense. The one thing that the federal government is suppose to do, protect our borders, they fail miserably at. I know there are thousands of border patrol agents, but they aren't enough. Not to mention the feds completely failing to implement existing federal law about illegals. Then when the states rightly say they've had enough and pass their own laws to deal with the problem, the feds tell them not to. It's embarrassing.
• majorspark

  

  This is no worse than a DUI checkpoint.
• Glory Days

  

  LJ wrote:

  Glory Days wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm all for it. A cop can ask you for your ID any time he wants and it doesn't mean he's racially profiling. What is the point of a green card if people aren't expected to show it and prove they're a legal citizen.
  
  Enough of the profiling bullshit, they're trying to stop MEXICANS from coming here illegally. Are you profiling if you think someone is a Mexican? Sure, I suppose, but why is it a negative thing? You are what you are.

  actually not true, all you have to provide is your name.

  well, thats if the cop believes you are who you say you are.
  
  

  US Supreme Court says all you hav to give is a name.

  and like i said, unless a cop thinks you are giving false information. its not hard for people to remember someone else's name or birthday or heck, even SSN.
  

  HitsRus wrote: 4th amendement rights...
  http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/criminal_rights/your-rights-search-and-seizure/search_seizure.html
  
  It bothers me that an American citizen could be detained or have to produce papers proving his identification solely because he looks Hispanic.
  
  Police should have probable cause to detain someone. I'm am for greater penalties for those that are caught, including those who transport or knowingly hire illegals.

  i dont get it, where did it say the police didnt need probably cause?
  

  Brewer ordered the state's law enforcement licensing agency to develop a training course on how to implement it without violating civil rights. The bill will take effect in late July or early August, depending on when the current legislative session ends.
  
  "We must enforce the law evenly, and without regard to skin color, accent, or social status," she said. "We must prove the alarmists and the cynics wrong."