New World Order and American Sovereignty

• I Wear Pants

  I don't think the E.U. or anywhere is even close to looking Orwellian but there are some traits that are being taken up.
  
  The UK's closed circuit camera system is frightening. As are all the freedoms that are stripped of us because of the Patriot Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Name calling. You called me Glenn, lol. For all he knows that could be my name.
  
  I understand rules, but don't take us back to JJHuddle rules when you couldn't even call someone stupid.

  This
• LJ

  

  ernest_t_bass wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote: Name calling. You called me Glenn, lol. For all he knows that could be my name.
  
  I understand rules, but don't take us back to JJHuddle rules when you couldn't even call someone stupid.

  This

  
  Too bad. There is absolutely no name calling in this forum.
• bman618

  There are several scraps of an Orwellian world starting to emerge such as the Patriot Act, the weakening or I would argue elimination of Posse Comitatus by the Warner bill and the smoking gun, which is the coming dollar collapse due to an overwhelming deficit along with the hollowing out of what makes a country mighty - a strong manufacturing base and savings, both of which this country has largely lost. This economic collapse could usher in a world economic order at the very least.
  
  Our Founders were very concerned power could build like this and eventually be severly abused if the right people get in power, that's why they wrote a specific Constitution that gave the federal government few powers and many chains. The federal government has become a central government, taking its chains off and putting them on the Constitution.
• bman618

  The lack of oversite of the Fed should be enough for most people agreeing to a full and independent audit. Those who argue the Fed could become politicized are laughable because that has already happened with the Fed bankrolling the massive debt of the government.
• RoyalNut

  

  "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." — Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913
  
  "From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." — Congressman Charles A.
  Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
  
  "The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board as ministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923
  
  
  
  "The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." — Congressman
  Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941
  
  "We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)
  
  "The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.
  There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the
  International bankers — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)
  
  "Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.
  They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" — Congressional Record 12595-12603 — Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932
  
  a small sampling from an article found here.
  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/quotes_on_the_federal_reserve.htm
• Footwedge

  ^^^RoyalNut....you could also add in some quotes from Woody Wilson...the president that cowtowed to the Original Fed.
  
  Wilson made several statements regretting his horrible decision.
• eersandbeers

  I Wear Pants wrote: I don't think the E.U. or anywhere is even close to looking Orwellian but there are some traits that are being taken up.
  
  The UK's closed circuit camera system is frightening. As are all the freedoms that are stripped of us because of the Patriot Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

  I would say they aren't exactly Orwellian...yet.
  
  You are correct about their camera system. Don't forget their DNA database that seeks out DNA traits of criminals and compares them to innocent people to profile certain individuals.
• BoatShoes

  So...strong hate for the FED here...guess I'll try to argue for it.
  
  Ron Paulistas often complain about inflationary monetary policies and yet also complain about the "independent" nature of the FED. It is suggested that the independent nature of the FED could lead to influence from a select few over our nation's monetary policy. The idea, as far as I can tell, is that since, say, Citibank, a large multi-national bank is a member bank within the New York Fed for example and contributes capital to the New York Fed which in turn always has its bank president sitting on the Federal Open Market Committee, that the Saudi Royalty, which owns considerable Citibank stock (from what I remember seeing on a random CNBC program once), can significantly influence the U.S. monetary policy and thereby, subject their will over us as a hole.
  
  For, one, seems a little more plausible that the Saudis are the masterminds behind our economy than Belly causing Hurricane Katrina with a fart...but not too much.
  
  Two...It has been demonstrated that a correlation exists between Central bank independence and lower inflation. You can see a graph demonstrating this here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alisna_and_Summers_Central_Bank_Independence_vs_Inflation.gif
  
  I'm sure the austrian's will say, "can you imagine if there were no bank at all" but of course, they will disregard the general purpose of central bank's in the first place, to prevent the negative effects of bank runs, as unnecessary because the market is always right and probably disagree with the concept of fractional-reserve banking in general.
  
  Even the great Monetarist Milton Friedman argued that the reason the Great Depression happened was because the FED failed to do what it was supposed to be and let banks fail that got ravaged by bank runs. When banks fail, bad things happen. You can read Ben Bernanke summing up Milton's view on this hear.
  
  www.federalreserve.gov/boardDocs/Speeches/2003/20031024/default.htm
  
  Thus, if you don't like inflation, you have to accept that
  
  1. If we don't have a Central Bank but employ a fractional reserve banking system, bank panics will lead to massive disruptive forces in the economy...maybe not such a bad thing for you because, who cares about society and the collective good? We're rugged individuals and should be self reliant...freedom reigns over safety at all times. I'm being facetious but this is at least a veil at the truth...bad managers should go down in flames and take the dumb people who invested in their talents with them.
  
  2. If we do decide that the social ills caused by Bank Runs in a fractional reserve banking system necessitate some kind institution, a central bank namely, to try to attempt to serve as a lender of last resort to prevent these ills, history suggests that inflation may be tamed by allowing it to be more independent...risking the slight chance that a shareholder might exude a little more sway over the monetary policy of our country (although, really given that Citibank only gets one vote as member bank of the NY Fed, the same as all the other ones...doesn't seem so likely).
  
  The fact is that MTV, Adderall, dumb 24 year old girls who did nothing but get drunk and give bj's in college teaching the youth of america, Cable News infotainment, McDonalds, Meth Dealers being able to refinance their trailer and American Idol have America more by the balls than a Rockefeller decendant owning a lot of shares in JPMorgan Chase while it is a member bank of the New York Fed.
• BoatShoes

  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/
  
  Anybody else think it's weird that a site seeming to be devoted to the spreading of the Good News would spend so much time discussing the federal reserve system and among other things, the "illuminati".
  
  :rolleyes:
• RoyalNut

  

  Footwedge wrote: ^^^RoyalNut....you could also add in some quotes from Woody Wilson...the president that cowtowed to the Original Fed.
  
  Wilson made several statements regretting his horrible decision.

  you know foot I was absolutely going to include those quotes such as this one!
  
  “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
  
  - Woodrow Wilson 1919
  
  but the fact of the matter, which kinda disturbed me is this.
  
  The quote is mostly words Wilson actually wrote, with the first two sentences of it apparently being incorrect and the rest taken from Wilson's The New Freedom. Below is what one can actually derive from connecting together two passages from The New Freedom:
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson
  
  this information kinda sucks, I liked that quote
  But alas that pesky thing called truth got in the way. Darn!
• RoyalNut

  

  BoatShoes wrote: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/
  
  Anybody else think it's weird that a site seeming to be devoted to the spreading of the Good News would spend so much time discussing the federal reserve system and among other things, the "illuminati".
  
  :rolleyes:

  I thought it odd as well, gotta love google for wisking me there. But the info is spot on!
  
  Oh and if you are going to defend something. Find something that is defensible. The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT!
  
  I provide this example
  The Fed provides Treasury Notes that it loans to the Treasury with interest only while they are in circulation. But the Fed is private, therefore they reap every benefit of the interest paid by the American people. All of the interest revenue being generated by money that is created out of thin air. It was created by nothing more then a journal entry. There is nothing backing the Federal Reserve notes.
  
  The United States treasury department could do exactly the same thing. Create United States treasury notes. The difference being attach no interest! Other then the interest paid by people that are borrowing the money back to the banks they borrowed it from, rather then that plus that bank paying interest to a central bank. All the controls you spoke of in your post would remain in effect.
  
  But here is the reason it is not done like that. You could only spend as much money as you had. How would congress operate? They always spend more money then they have. That is where the Fed came in. Once congress spent all the money it took in, if it were the treasury that controlled the money. They would have to raise tax revenue to do it. They would have to tell the American people they needed more money. In any society it has been proven by history that once you reach about 45% taxation or higher, you have a revolution on your hands. So they cannot do that, so what they do is go to the Fed, borrow and spend our future generations tax dollars that have not been collected yet. Which is what our brilliant leaders have done to the tune of 12 trillion dollars and counting.
  
  The Federal Reserve System has ruined this great nation
  
  And we are about to have to pay the piper.
  
  We are going to collapse!
  
  I am probably older then most on this forum.
  
  And I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to you younger people on here. Because it was my generation that ran our boats, drank our beer, built our big houses and didn't have a care in the world. And payed little to no attention to what was happening in the Nation. And we have let corrupt politicians from both sides of the isle spend your future.
  
  And i honestly believe that the Administration we have in office right now. I believe their agenda is to bring this nation to her knees economically. All they have done since taking office is spend spend spend as fast as they possibly could. And look the previous administration was no better, TARP started with them. You know the real reason we got TARP? The Fed said we had too, or the Nation would collapse. Tell me who is running this country again? But anyways I think we go into the worst depression this country has ever seen. I'm talking massive soup kitchen lines depression. Then we get offered the solution. "Socialism", we will ban together as a community and pull through this! Rah Rah! And some of you may think this is a very good idea. And to be honest sitting where you are sitting and looking at all this, I really cannot blame you. The problem with socialism, well there are more then one. But the biggest problem is you can't fail, but neither can you succeed. And to have that opportunity taken away is nothing short of a crying shame. And socialism never just stays socialism, it always morphs into something much more restrictive of your freedoms.
  
  Batten down the hatches, we are in for a bumpy ride.
  
  I pray for you all to be honest!
• Footwedge

  RoyalNut wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: ^^^RoyalNut....you could also add in some quotes from Woody Wilson...the president that cowtowed to the Original Fed.
  
  Wilson made several statements regretting his horrible decision.

  you know foot I was absolutely going to include those quotes such as this one!
  
  “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
  
  - Woodrow Wilson 1919
  
  but the fact of the matter, which kinda disturbed me is this.
  
  The quote is mostly words Wilson actually wrote, with the first two sentences of it apparently being incorrect and the rest taken from Wilson's The New Freedom. Below is what one can actually derive from connecting together two passages from The New Freedom:
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson
  
  this information kinda sucks, I liked that quote
  But alas that pesky thing called truth got in the way. Darn!

  The men that sold Wilson on the FED idea basically saw dollar signs in bankrolling both sides of the "war to end all wars".
• Footwedge

  RoyalNut wrote:

  BoatShoes wrote: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/
  
  Anybody else think it's weird that a site seeming to be devoted to the spreading of the Good News would spend so much time discussing the federal reserve system and among other things, the "illuminati".
  
  :rolleyes:

  I thought it odd as well, gotta love google for wisking me there. But the info is spot on!
  
  Oh and if you are going to defend something. Find something that is defensible. The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT!
  
  I provide this example
  The Fed provides Treasury Notes that it loans to the Treasury with interest only while they are in circulation. But the Fed is private, therefore they reap every benefit of the interest paid by the American people. All of the interest revenue being generated by money that is created out of thin air. It was created by nothing more then a journal entry. There is nothing backing the Federal Reserve notes.
  
  The United States treasury department could do exactly the same thing. Create United States treasury notes. The difference being attach no interest! Other then the interest paid by people that are borrowing the money back to the banks they borrowed it from, rather then that plus that bank paying interest to a central bank. All the controls you spoke of in your post would remain in effect.
  
  But here is the reason it is not done like that. You could only spend as much money as you had. How would congress operate? They always spend more money then they have. That is where the Fed came in. Once congress spent all the money it took in, if it were the treasury that controlled the money. They would have to raise tax revenue to do it. They would have to tell the American people they needed more money. In any society it has been proven by history that once you reach about 45% taxation or higher, you have a revolution on your hands. So they cannot do that, so what they do is go to the Fed, borrow and spend our future generations tax dollars that have not been collected yet. Which is what our brilliant leaders have done to the tune of 12 trillion dollars and counting.
  
  The Federal Reserve System has ruined this great nation
  
  And we are about to have to pay the piper.
  
  We are going to collapse!
  
  I am probably older then most on this forum.
  
  And I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to you younger people on here. Because it was my generation that ran our boats, drank our beer, built our big houses and didn't have a care in the world. And payed little to no attention to what was happening in the Nation. And we have let corrupt politicians from both sides of the isle spend your future.
  
  And i honestly believe that the Administration we have in office right now. I believe their agenda is to bring this nation to her knees economically. All they have done since taking office is spend spend spend as fast as they possibly could. And look the previous administration was no better, TARP started with them. You know the real reason we got TARP? The Fed said we had too, or the Nation would collapse. Tell me who is running this country again? But anyways I think we go into the worst depression this country has ever seen. I'm talking massive soup kitchen lines depression. Then we get offered the solution. "Socialism", we will ban together as a community and pull through this! Rah Rah! And some of you may think this is a very good idea. And to be honest sitting where you are sitting and looking at all this, I really cannot blame you. The problem with socialism, well there are more then one. But the biggest problem is you can't fail, but neither can you succeed. And to have that opportunity taken away is nothing short of a crying shame. And socialism never just stays socialism, it always morphs into something much more restrictive of your freedoms.
  
  Batten down the hatches, we are in for a bumpy ride.
  
  I pray for you all to be honest!

  Good God RN...you should be ashamed of yourself sir. You view reality the same way I do.
  
  Obviously you are a wacked out nut job...just like me.
• eersandbeers

  Footwedge wrote:

  RoyalNut wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: ^^^RoyalNut....you could also add in some quotes from Woody Wilson...the president that cowtowed to the Original Fed.
  
  Wilson made several statements regretting his horrible decision.

  you know foot I was absolutely going to include those quotes such as this one!
  
  “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
  
  - Woodrow Wilson 1919
  
  but the fact of the matter, which kinda disturbed me is this.
  
  The quote is mostly words Wilson actually wrote, with the first two sentences of it apparently being incorrect and the rest taken from Wilson's The New Freedom. Below is what one can actually derive from connecting together two passages from The New Freedom:
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson
  
  this information kinda sucks, I liked that quote
  But alas that pesky thing called truth got in the way. Darn!

  The men that sold Wilson on the FED idea basically saw dollar signs in bankrolling both sides of the "war to end all wars".

  
  They had been arguing for a central bank in this country long before then though.
  
  The Rothschilds used Hamilton to convince Washington to establish the First Bank of the United States. The charter wasn't renewed in 1811 and a year later the British, controlled by the Rothschilds, declared war on the United States.
  
  The Rothschilds got the Second Bank of the United States in 1816. Less than a year after the war ended. Hmmm, I'm sure just a coincidence.
  
  Then Andrew Jackson is elected and tries to get rid of the Second Bank of the US. An assassin attempts to get rid of the thorn in the Rothschilds' side, and Jackson would comment he knew the Rothschilds were behind the attempt.
  
  Lincoln approached the Bank of New York to bankroll the Civil War and they offered him a very high interest rate. He was not happy with that rate so he printed his own money and declared it legal tender. He was assassinated.
  
  Two weeks before he was assassinated Garfield said, "Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
  
  
  
  Yes, I'm sure this is all just a "conspiracy" theory though.
• Footwedge

  ^^^^JFK had ideas to end the Fed as well. How did he die Eers? Coinky dink?
  
  As for your history lessons on financing wars, it's appreciated. Banksters always profit from the business of wars. Kinda reminds me of the Mike Vick types laying down side bets at the cock fights.
• majorspark

  

  eersandbeers wrote:They had been arguing for a central bank in this country long before then though.
  
  The Rothschilds used Hamilton to convince Washington to establish the First Bank of the United States. The charter wasn't renewed in 1811 and a year later the British, controlled by the Rothschilds, declared war on the United States.
  
  The Rothschilds got the Second Bank of the United States in 1816. Less than a year after the war ended. Hmmm, I'm sure just a coincidence.
  
  Then Andrew Jackson is elected and tries to get rid of the Second Bank of the US. An assassin attempts to get rid of the thorn in the Rothschilds' side, and Jackson would comment he knew the Rothschilds were behind the attempt.
  
  Lincoln approached the Bank of New York to bankroll the Civil War and they offered him a very high interest rate. He was not happy with that rate so he printed his own money and declared it legal tender. He was assassinated.
  
  Two weeks before he was assassinated Garfield said, "Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
  
  Yes, I'm sure this is all just a "conspiracy" theory though.

  With all due respect eers, if you are going to convince anyone that all these assassinations or attempted assassinations of presidents are tied to some obscure group pulling the strings behind the scenes for monitary gain, and expect anyone with any intellegence to believe it is anything other than some nutty conspiracy theory you are going to have to produce evidence linking the assassins to said financial groups.
  
  Foot you can throw in JFK since you introduced his assassination into the arguement.
• eersandbeers

  majorspark wrote:

  eersandbeers wrote:They had been arguing for a central bank in this country long before then though.
  
  The Rothschilds used Hamilton to convince Washington to establish the First Bank of the United States. The charter wasn't renewed in 1811 and a year later the British, controlled by the Rothschilds, declared war on the United States.
  
  The Rothschilds got the Second Bank of the United States in 1816. Less than a year after the war ended. Hmmm, I'm sure just a coincidence.
  
  Then Andrew Jackson is elected and tries to get rid of the Second Bank of the US. An assassin attempts to get rid of the thorn in the Rothschilds' side, and Jackson would comment he knew the Rothschilds were behind the attempt.
  
  Lincoln approached the Bank of New York to bankroll the Civil War and they offered him a very high interest rate. He was not happy with that rate so he printed his own money and declared it legal tender. He was assassinated.
  
  Two weeks before he was assassinated Garfield said, "Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
  
  Yes, I'm sure this is all just a "conspiracy" theory though.

  With all due respect eers, if you are going to convince anyone that all these assassinations or attempted assassinations of presidents are tied to some obscure group pulling the strings behind the scenes for monitary gain, and expect anyone with any intellegence to believe it is anything other than some nutty conspiracy theory you are going to have to produce evidence linking the assassins to said financial groups.
  
  Foot you can throw in JFK since you introduced his assassination into the arguement.

  
  
  You can continue to believe that everything in the above post is a "coincidence." I will use basic logic and reasoning to see that there was something else going on. No matter how much evidence is presented some will refuse to believe what is right before their eyes.
  
  The most outspoken Presidents who were against the central bank and did not cave to the international bankers ended up dead or there was an attempt on their life.
  
  He was also right about JFK. JFK issued EO 12333 that sought to end the Federal Reserve's power. Guess what happened to him. Another coincidence.
• Glory Days

  

  unless you can make a solid connection between those assassins and a bank or federal reserve etc, it is just a conspiracy theory.
• RoyalNut

  

  [/quote]
  
  Good God RN...you should be ashamed of yourself sir. You view reality the same way I do.
  
  Obviously you are a wacked out nut job...just like me.
  [/quote]
  
  Yep Foot. I guess if the shoe fits (pun intended)
  
  But when you look at policy after policy. That seem to be aimed at more spending and more damage to the economy. Take the constant endorsement of Cap and Trade for instance. Because of the leak of data by a computer hacker. That entire theory has pretty much had a gaping hole punched in it. But still yesterday, Obama says he still supports it. Why? Is my question. The stimulus plan, do you really think you can spend your way into prosperity? Again I ask Why? A trillion dollar health-care bill that will raise peoples health care costs in the middle of a recession? Again I ask Why now on this one? But the damaging policies go on and on. Why?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  RoyalNut wrote: But when you look at policy after policy. That seem to be aimed at more spending and more damage to the economy. Take the constant endorsement of Cap and Trade for instance. Because of the leak of data by a computer hacker. That entire theory has pretty much had a gaping hole punched in it. But still yesterday, Obama says he still supports it. Why? Is my question. The stimulus plan, do you really think you can spend your way into prosperity? Again I ask Why? A trillion dollar health-care bill that will raise peoples health care costs in the middle of a recession? Again I ask Why now on this one? But the damaging policies go on and on. Why?

  
  Because it makes people feel all good inside. Like they have effected a change.
• BoatShoes

  EO 12333 was an executive order signed by Ronald Reagan that demanded U.S. intelligence operations to co-operate fully with the CIA.
  
  What I think Eers meant to refer was, EO, 11,110 which gave the authority to print silver certificates to the U.S. Treasury without having to bug the president. This was famously explained as reasoning for the Fed killing Kennedy in a book called Crossfire by an author named Jim Marrs. He claimed that this was intended to strip the power away from federal reserve notes because people could by things with treasury printed silver certificates.
  
  EO 11,110 merely expanded on order 10,289 given my Harry Truman which lists out things the Treasury could do without having to ask the President first. E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them, hence it seems silly to think that they were interested to buttress against federal reserve notes. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29).
  
  The purpose of this order coincided with the Silver Purchase Act (PL 88-36), which Kennedy himself signed GAVE POWER TO THE FED to issue small denomination FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES to replace the silver certificates that were going away. EO 11110 gave the power to the Treasury secretary to reduce outgoing silver certificates instead of having to bug the president about it since the Silver Act vested that power in him, all while the FED would replace these certificates with Federal reserve notes.
  
  EO 11110 in effect gave the FED more power...so why would one of the Rothschilds, who in actuality lost prominence because of their failure to invest in America brainwash Lee Harvey Oswald with their secret brain washing machines to go kill a guy who gave an order to help get more federal reserve notes in the market?
  
  Instead of playing in the land of fairy tales and reading about how there are bankers with sniper rifles waiting to kill people who threaten their precious bank notes, people should read "Money and the Fed": Myth and Reality. It was written by a specialist in Macroeconomics as a report for Congress and part of the Congressional Research Service...who of course, if the FED really is ran by gangster bankers, would have no reason to defend it. Nonetheless, I'm sure a Rockefeller paid him off or something.
  
  You can read it online here: home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/FRS-myth.htm
  
  I
• Footwedge

  RoyalNut wrote:

  Good God RN...you should be ashamed of yourself sir. You view reality the same way I do.
  
  Obviously you are a wacked out nut job...just like me.
  [/quote]
  
  Yep Foot. I guess if the shoe fits (pun intended)
  
  But when you look at policy after policy. That seem to be aimed at more spending and more damage to the economy. Take the constant endorsement of Cap and Trade for instance. Because of the leak of data by a computer hacker. That entire theory has pretty much had a gaping hole punched in it. But still yesterday, Obama says he still supports it. Why? Is my question. The stimulus plan, do you really think you can spend your way into prosperity? Again I ask Why? A trillion dollar health-care bill that will raise peoples health care costs in the middle of a recession? Again I ask Why now on this one? But the damaging policies go on and on. Why?
  [/quote]
  
  Did you ask these questions of the previous administration? Or the one before that? Or the one before that? Or the Reagan Admin?
  
  Hopefully you don't view this as an Obama thing. Because if you do, then you weren't paying attention to the past 30 years.
• Footwedge

  BoatShoes wrote: EO 12333 was an executive order signed by Ronald Reagan that demanded U.S. intelligence operations to co-operate fully with the CIA.
  
  What I think Eers meant to refer was, EO, 11,110 which gave the authority to print silver certificates to the U.S. Treasury without having to bug the president. This was famously explained as reasoning for the Fed killing Kennedy in a book called Crossfire by an author named Jim Marrs. He claimed that this was intended to strip the power away from federal reserve notes because people could by things with treasury printed silver certificates.
  
  EO 11,110 merely expanded on order 10,289 given my Harry Truman which lists out things the Treasury could do without having to ask the President first. E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them, hence it seems silly to think that they were interested to buttress against federal reserve notes. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29).
  
  The purpose of this order coincided with the Silver Purchase Act (PL 88-36), which Kennedy himself signed GAVE POWER TO THE FED to issue small denomination FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES to replace the silver certificates that were going away. EO 11110 gave the power to the Treasury secretary to reduce outgoing silver certificates instead of having to bug the president about it since the Silver Act vested that power in him, all while the FED would replace these certificates with Federal reserve notes.
  
  EO 11110 in effect gave the FED more power...so why would one of the Rothschilds, who in actuality lost prominence because of their failure to invest in America brainwash Lee Harvey Oswald with their secret brain washing machines to go kill a guy who gave an order to help get more federal reserve notes in the market?
  
  Instead of playing in the land of fairy tales and reading about how there are bankers with sniper rifles waiting to kill people who threaten their precious bank notes, people should read "Money and the Fed": Myth and Reality. It was written by a specialist in Macroeconomics as a report for Congress and part of the Congressional Research Service...who of course, if the FED really is ran by gangster bankers, would have no reason to defend it. Nonetheless, I'm sure a Rockefeller paid him off or something.
  
  You can read it online here: home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/FRS-myth.htm
  
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  BS...this could turn into a google off pissing contest. I can source numerous links showing motives and possible links to the FED and JFK's assassination.
  
  Maybe you and Spark are correct in stating that there is only a tiny amount of hard core evidence.
  
  But I also think that people are extremely naive to think that murder is above the mores in protecting their financial empire.
  
  The best quote from the Godfather, was when Michael Cordileone told his girl that there is no difference between mob murder and political murders.
  
  In my view...they are equal in motivation.
• Footwedge

  Glory Days wrote: unless you can make a solid connection between those assassins and a bank or federal reserve etc, it is just a conspiracy theory.

  I agree with your statement here.
  
  I don't know who killed JFK. But isn't it unusual that the Warren Commission has ruled the findings classied until the year 2038?
  
  There are a lot of things that don't pass the smell test on the JFK assassination.
  
  The biggest curve ball thrown to the executors of this crime was the Zabruder film.
  
  Anyone with any knowledge of physics at all...knows that Oswald's bullet could not have been the only bullet.