New World Order and American Sovereignty

• eersandbeers

  SQ_Crazies wrote: You know people say things like this are crazy...until they get slapped in the face by them.
  
  Just a few examples to ponder:
  
  1. Hitler's Germany. Many people thought those that were saying "look out for this guy" were crazy in the 30's. Need I go on?
  
  2. Ron Paul. He's been labelled as the definition of crazy. He started talking about the Federal Reserve and the economy in the 80's and how it was bound for disaster with it's current setup. People called him a nut job. He predicted everything that our economy just went through 20 years ago--nut job?? Crazy??

  
  Don't forget about JFK. He warned of secret groups infiltrating American society and he was killed for it.
  
  
  I've typed all this out numerous times before, but I don't understand how people can't believe it.
  
  All you need is the one Rothschild quote to see how countries are run: Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws
  
  He didn't make that quote out of ignorance. It was based on experience. And these are the same people who run the media and use politicians like pawns.
  

  BoatShoes wrote: So suppose I keep a blind eye and don't start calling for the end of the Fed and don't raise hell about Copenhagen treaties and continue to think people with the last name Bilderberg, Rothschild and Rockefeller really aren't that scary and that secretive ninja bankers aren't going to assassinate me if I protest the central bank? What do you guys, who think this is all going down, think is going to happen to the world? Do you think that Heads of State such as the president are merely pawns for financiers to make money? Is Ben Bernanke at the heart of a global conspiracy and not some economist who thinks he's doing the right thing for the country by propping up inefficiently managed financial institutions and keeping interest rates amazingly low?

  If we ignore it, we will end up in a situation like Europe. Globalists and these bankers in the secret societies love organizations like the EU because they are much easier to control.
  
  The Bilderberg chairman said this: "‘A meeting in June in Europe of the Bilderberg Group- an informal club of leading politicians, businessmen and thinkers chaired by Mr. Davignon- could also ‘improve understanding’ on future action, in the same way it helped create the Euro in the 1990s, he said."
  
  http://euobserver.com/9/27778
  

  BoatShoes wrote: I mean, I'm open to the idea that the FED is bad for the economy and the antithesis to a healthy free market and that it's demise is therefore justified...but on the grounds of misguided economic policy as opposed to, mysterious, international bankers secretly profiting off of little measly, blissfully ignorant humans.

  
  They aren't mysterious. Everyone knows who the 9 central banks behind the Fed really are. These banks are the ones who lend out money and keep the American economy running so we are wholly dependent upon them. Thus, they control this country.
  
  And yes, they are profiting a great deal off humans.
• Glory Days

  

  ok and so? what are they trying to do, build a weather dominator like cobra commander? or enslave us all so that our true alien leaders can come to earth and harvest us?
  
  you say they control this country, do you have proof they have directly influenced anything? have they paid off the majority of congress to pass bills? used blackmail to secure a treaty being signed?
• I Wear Pants

  eersandbeers wrote: If we ignore it, we will end up in a situation like Europe. Globalists and these bankers in the secret societies love organizations like the EU because they are much easier to control.

  See, this would be a good point except that the EU has done wonders for Europe both economically and socially.
• fast_orange

  I Wear Pants wrote: I don't understand your point about names being in all caps.
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: $$$$$$=influence=power. Think of it like magic, it's easier than it looks--you follow one hand while the other is doing the dirty work and then you're surprised in the end. And you follow that one hand on purpose don't you? Because the magician wants you to.

  You've managed to use a lot of words to not actually say anything.

  "I wear pants",
  
  Yes, I put out alot of information in this thread and the last post.
  
  My example of the all CAPS name was a rebuttal to "Boat Shoes" comment of why not educated persons is believing the usa could become a socialist police state under the NWO.
  
  We have bankers, politicians and legal experts(lawyers) lie to us daily.
  
  Few people know the UNITED STATES is a corporate entity. It is different than organic united states of america.
  
  Since 1933, all live births are given a birth certificate. This birth certificate has a routing number embossed into the back of the document. This number is a routing number for the bond that is attatched to the certificate and store at the department of COMMERCE.
  
  Each and every registered US birth has one, with an original value of $600,000 USD. These "asset" bonds are traded to foreign countrys to float loans to the UNITED STATES. This is your value to those who own us.
  
  John Doe born in 1957, has a corporate fiction or "strawman" by the name of JOHN DOE. JOHN DOE is a corporation dealing in commerce (or maritime law) with the UNITED STATES corporation.
  
  Any lawyer can tell you this.
  
  At one time you could enter your bond number on Fidelitys website and see who are where your bond was traded to.
• I Wear Pants

  I don't see what's so horrible about that. Although I'll look into it more as it is rather interesting.
• LJ

  

  fast_orange wrote:

  I Wear Pants wrote: I don't understand your point about names being in all caps.
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: $$$$$$=influence=power. Think of it like magic, it's easier than it looks--you follow one hand while the other is doing the dirty work and then you're surprised in the end. And you follow that one hand on purpose don't you? Because the magician wants you to.

  You've managed to use a lot of words to not actually say anything.

  "I wear pants",
  
  Yes, I put out alot of information in this thread and the last post.
  
  My example of the all CAPS name was a rebuttal to "Boat Shoes" comment of why not educated persons is believing the usa could become a socialist police state under the NWO.
  
  We have bankers, politicians and legal experts(lawyers) lie to us daily.
  
  Few people know the UNITED STATES is a corporate entity. It is different than organic united states of america.
  
  Since 1933, all live births are given a birth certificate. This birth certificate has a routing number embossed into the back of the document. This number is a routing number for the bond that is attatched to the certificate and store at the department of COMMERCE.
  
  Each and every registered US birth has one, with an original value of $600,000 USD. These "asset" bonds are traded to foreign countrys to float loans to the UNITED STATES. This is your value to those who own us.
  
  John Doe born in 1957, has a corporate fiction or "strawman" by the name of JOHN DOE. JOHN DOE is a corporation dealing in commerce (or maritime law) with the UNITED STATES corporation.
  
  Any lawyer can tell you this.
  
  At one time you could enter your bond number on Fidelitys website and see who are where your bond was traded to.

  You need to source ALL of that
• fast_orange

  I Wear Pants wrote: I don't see what's so horrible about that. Although I'll look into it more as it is rather interesting.

  This is why some people are free-men and some are bondsman
  
  The horrible thing could be when the bond owner wants to collect the asset, and this will happen when China stop buying our T bills and bonds. Your footprint on your birth certificate is your "mark" or signature agreeing to this "contract".
  
  Thank you for your feedback, and always, I encourage you to research things for yourself.
  
  Just for fun, take out your SS card, and look at the "solid" line you signed your name on, under magnification.
  
  I wont spoil it for you......
  
  EDIT: Sorry. I didnt see your reply.
  
  www.thinkfree.ca
  (good website)
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1075889084907769093#
  (This video explains it easy)
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1075889084907769093#docid=-6526777574574871930
  (More in depth,)
  
  
  (Mark Koernke)
  
  
  (Alex Jones)
• LJ

  

  Can you post an official government source confirming these bonds?
• fast_orange

  LJ wrote: Can you post an official government source confirming these bonds?

  
  LJ,
  
  The Department of the Treasury acknowledges that UCC filings by millions have been routed to the Analysis and Control Division of the IRS in D.C, so yes, this data alone validates the existance of your bond, and closest thing to an admission by the federal/state governments.
  
  Any BAR member can tell you this as well.
  
  We got off on a tangent with this, but things are not what the seem, that was the point.
  
  This post was intended to show that those in power lie to us, and furthermore, covers up yet another attack on american freedoms.
• LJ

  

  fast_orange wrote:

  LJ wrote: Can you post an official government source confirming these bonds?

  
  LJ,
  
  The Department of the Treasury acknowledges that UCC filings by millions have been routed to the Analysis and Control Division of the IRS in D.C, so yes, this data alone validates the existance of your bond, and closest thing to an admission by the federal/state governments.
  

  Can you source this?
• fast_orange

  LJ wrote:

  fast_orange wrote:

  LJ wrote: Can you post an official government source confirming these bonds?

  
  LJ,
  
  The Department of the Treasury acknowledges that UCC filings by millions have been routed to the Analysis and Control Division of the IRS in D.C, so yes, this data alone validates the existance of your bond, and closest thing to an admission by the federal/state governments.
  

  Can you source this?

  
  Better yet, here is the law signed into place by FDR.
  
  I feel like I upset you with this, again, only making a rebuttal to boat shoes^^^^^above. If you think ANY of this is disinfo, by all means delete it. I am only asking you to open your mind, and have done this in the most cautious way I know how
  
  http://www.educationcenter2000.com/legal/HJR_192.html
  
  This explains why it become nessasary to make all citizens public tender.
  
  Debt=Money
• LJ

  

  fast_orange wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  fast_orange wrote:

  LJ wrote: Can you post an official government source confirming these bonds?

  
  LJ,
  
  The Department of the Treasury acknowledges that UCC filings by millions have been routed to the Analysis and Control Division of the IRS in D.C, so yes, this data alone validates the existance of your bond, and closest thing to an admission by the federal/state governments.
  

  Can you source this?

  
  Better yet, here is the law signed into place by FDR.
  
  I feel like I upset you with this, again, only making a rebuttal to boat shoes^^^^^above. If you think ANY of this is disinfo, by all means delete it. I am only asking you to open your mind, and have done this in the most cautious way I know how
  
  http://www.educationcenter2000.com/legal/HJR_192.html
  
  This explains why it become nessasary to make all citizens public tender.
  
  Debt=Money

  I am not upset at all. Just trying to get things as sourced as possible to keep the thread clean.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I Wear Pants wrote: I don't understand your point about names being in all caps.
  

  SQ_Crazies wrote: $$$$$$=influence=power. Think of it like magic, it's easier than it looks--you follow one hand while the other is doing the dirty work and then you're surprised in the end. And you follow that one hand on purpose don't you? Because the magician wants you to.

  You've managed to use a lot of words to not actually say anything.

  LOL, really? Because you managed to use few words to say almost nothing but tell me everything I need to know about you.
• I Wear Pants

  What you need to know about me is that I don't think there are bogeyman bankers that want to sell you in some evil plot to control the world.
• Footwedge

  Karl Marx was wrong in espousing communism as the be all and end all social system. But he was right in his assessment that capitalism would evolve into a 2 class system.
  
  The banking cartel that was set in place back in 1913 simply hastened the process. I'm not going to source anything here...because it is my opinion...an opinion formed after reading multiple books and reliable, non agenda, websites.
• eersandbeers

  Glory Days wrote: ok and so? what are they trying to do, build a weather dominator like cobra commander? or enslave us all so that our true alien leaders can come to earth and harvest us?
  
  you say they control this country, do you have proof they have directly influenced anything? have they paid off the majority of congress to pass bills? used blackmail to secure a treaty being signed?

  You mean besides control the Federal Reserve which controls the entire monetary policy of this country?
  
  Their goals are clear. They want a system to emerge that is far easier to control and influence. e.g. The EU
  

  I Wear Pants wrote:
  See, this would be a good point except that the EU has done wonders for Europe both economically and socially.

  The EU done wonders because it operated as a free market economic union. Now they have consolidated power into a central body and basically created a single governing body. While the EU is still limited in power over the sovereign states, you can almost guarantee it will continue to grow.
• I Wear Pants

  So this whole "look out, they control the Fed and are out to get you" thing is because if shady enough people get in the right places they could manipulate things for their own benefit?
  
  What about that is supposed to be surprising or enlightening?
• Footwedge

  I Wear Pants wrote: So this whole "look out, they control the Fed and are out to get you" thing is because if shady enough people get in the right places they could manipulate things for their own benefit?
  
  What about that is supposed to be surprising or enlightening?

  
  Exactly. It shouldn't surprise nor enlighten anybody. It's the way our system has evolved.
  
  But those of us that suscribe to this reality are many times labeled as anti capitalists or at the very least, anti free market....and then by default, be labeled anti American.
• Glory Days

  

  eersandbeers wrote: You mean besides control the Federal Reserve which controls the entire monetary policy of this country?
  
  Their goals are clear. They want a system to emerge that is far easier to control and influence. e.g. The EU

  so what do once they get a system that is easier to control and influence? what do they do with all that power? because if thats it, how does that effect the little guy, us?
• cbus4life

  I love everyone here
  
  Eeers, most of all.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Cbus, you ain't stirrin the pot, are ya? ahaha
• cbus4life

  LJ is going to kill me.
• eersandbeers

  Glory Days wrote:

  eersandbeers wrote: You mean besides control the Federal Reserve which controls the entire monetary policy of this country?
  
  Their goals are clear. They want a system to emerge that is far easier to control and influence. e.g. The EU

  
  so what do once they get a system that is easier to control and influence? what do they do with all that power? because if thats it, how does that effect the little guy, us?

  
  Besides bigger profit at the expense of those living under the system? Not to mention the tremendous loss of freedom that goes with it.
  
  Have you read 1984? I'm not saying that is exactly how world affairs will continue to evolve, but the EU is steadily on their way towards becoming the Oceania that is mentioned in the book. It's crazy to think that in such a short time Europe has went from a steel union to an evolving single government.
  
  Will it happen here? Under the right economic disaster it will.
  

  cbus4life wrote: I love everyone here
  
  Eeers, most of all.

  
  People always say these theories are crazy until they start researching them and realize all the evidence is out there. These aren't conspiracy theories. They are simply commentaries on situations that are already happening.
• Glory Days

  

  kinda playing devil's advocate i guess but is having a single governemt in Europe is completely a bad thing? i mean look at the last few hundred years there. two world wars, countless other wars, and borders changing all the time. maybe what they had there before wasnt the best option, maybe these changes to a European Union arent exactly a bad thing. is that possibility every considered?
• eersandbeers

  Glory Days wrote: kinda playing devil's advocate i guess but is having a single governemt in Europe is completely a bad thing? i mean look at the last few hundred years there. two world wars, countless other wars, and borders changing all the time. maybe what they had there before wasnt the best option, maybe these changes to a European Union arent exactly a bad thing. is that possibility every considered?

  
  Well I guess it depends on your perspective. I, for one, view the Lisbon Treaty as one of the worst things to happen to Europe in a very long time. I do not favor treaties that remove the sovereignty of states and give it to supra national organizations.
  
  Thanks to globalization, wars between European countries, especially major wars, were highly unlikely. Wars in the modern world between major countries are unlikely anyways.